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Obviously it's worse when compared to the top 3 leagues, while we could debate the quality of it when compared to other leagues.
There are two strong exceptions: Juventus and Higuain. Juventus went out to Bayern in a pretty unlucky fashion, but there is no doubt they remain one of the top8 clubs in Europe and Higuain is the guy who scored 30 goals in serie A. Forget Napoli-Bologna, Napoli proved what means playing without Higuain in the previous game at San Siro.
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- five scudetti in a row for Juventus, almost no opponent. Milan and Inter have become Europa League material at best.
- talking about EL. Sampdoria went out to Vojvodina, Lazio to Sparta Praha, Napoli to Villarreal (Fiorentina to Spurs is acceptable). Villarreal later kicked Sparta Praha out of the competition badly. The Spanish clubs dominate, just a Spanish club seems able to eliminate another Spanish club.
- Carpi and Frosinone: they have pretty much the same players they had in serie B, no huge talents, mostly players who could easily retire as serie B material, and one of them could manage to stay in serie A nevertheless. Carpi play a very old football, defense and counter attack and most of serie A teams simply can't defeat them or struggle to do it.
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- Chievo and Empoli: they have established themselves as serie A midtable material.
- Alessandria reached the semifinal of the Italian Cup. Carpi and Spezia reached the quarter finals.
- the aging goalscorers: Totti is a champion but remains a joke that a 40 yo player can come out of the bench and singlehandedly invert the result of the game. Maccarone, Pellissier, Quagliarella, Borriello, Gilardino, Pazzini, Luca Toni... there are very few starters who are not well past 30.
- a half of the foreign players coming from any part of the world instantly becomes starting lineup material. Just the ones who are really done or have zero motivations such as Boateng really fail.
- coaches: the big names are schooled by coaches who spent most of their career in minor leagues
 

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yeah let's be honest: it's done as a top league...way behind top 3 and close to Ligue 1 in quality.

Juve is the only big club remaining.

But who knows...maybe by 2030 Serie A is at the top again.
 

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This thread somewhat means, your opinion is affected alot by Serie A performances in european competitions.Last year they did well, this year not. I dont think this shall be the case. And Serie A isnt alone in sucking, French & German leagues are pure crap as well. The Spanish to some extent as well, with minor difference that there is more then one dominant side ( Real , Barcelona, Atletico vs Juve vs Bayern vs PSG).

Whats makes the English league the product to watch is the very fact you do not know who will win the league or game until the end. As long as one team is dominating the league, and competition is not present people will tune away from Serie A.
 

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This thread somewhat means, your opinion is affected alot by Serie A performances in european competitions.Last year they did well, this year not. I dont think this shall be the case. And Serie A isnt alone in sucking, French & German leagues are pure crap as well. The Spanish to some extent as well, with minor difference that there is more then one dominant side ( Real , Barcelona, Atletico vs Juve vs Bayern vs PSG).

Whats makes the English league the product to watch is the very fact you do not know who will win the league or game until the end. As long as one team is dominating the league, and competition is not present people will tune away from Serie A.

their 2nd tier clubs can easily dominate over other top leagues 2nd tier clubs in EL...by results they're the best league in the world easily
 

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I mostly agree Toni. I'm waiting on Italian clubs to get their heads out of their assess and play more youthful players and play more faster and modern football instead of the same old formula and attitude that goes nowhere.
 

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their 2nd tier clubs can easily dominate over other top leagues 2nd tier clubs in EL...by results they're the best league in the world easily

Its not about having top 20 clubs in the world in your league, but about having competition. Which makes it exciting for fans to watch. There is a reason why EPL is most popular league in the world, get the top tv contracts.


Personally am all for making Juventus, Bayern, PSG, Real and Barcelona a league of their own.And let the others play their leagues.
 

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Italy won the 2006 WCup, became arrogant and retrenched - basically thought it was too cool to have to worry about things things such as, well you know, developing players. The national team has been eliminated from the first round of the WCup two straight times, yet Tavecchio and company consider those aberrations, not the norm.
It's time to stop considering us great and remind players that you have to work to win, other countries won't bend over and quit. You need to earn wins on the pitch with sweat, blood, tears and fighting. So few players coming out of Italy show any anger. It's such a sad decline from the 1990s.
 

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Its not about having top 20 clubs in the world in your league, but about having competition. Which makes it exciting for fans to watch. There is a reason why EPL is most popular league in the world, get the top tv contracts.
Except that the EPL became the most popular league in the world when it wasn't competitive at all, Man Utd were winning almost every season and there was only one club which challenged them (Arsenal). Most people really don't care about league competitiveness that much. La Liga is way more popular than dozens of much more competitive leagues even though there are many way more competitive leagues. But the big stars are in Spain, and that is what matters the most. And marketing, of course, that is where the EPL excels and Serie A is really bad at.
 

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I think the beauty of the EPL back then was that whomever challenged at the top, there was always a chance that a team like Barnsley could beat United. Near enough every game was potentially competitive. There were freak results (eg United 9-0 Ipswich) but the league was competitive and unpredictable.

Obviously it was well marketed.
 

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I don't agree...EPL was dominated by a couple of teams and most games involving them weren't competitive. Yes, there was a chance that Barnsley beat Man Utd, but Barca, Juve and Bayern have been known to be beaten by minnows, as well.

EPL became globally huge for other reasons. First of all, there's the marketing. They realized early on how important it is to have a finished TV product to sell. Second, there were the packed stadiums that you could see and hear on TV. Anybody who's been to games in different countries know that England in no way has the best atmosphere at the stadium. But on TV it sure sounds like that. It's a simple thing: they mix the crowd noises higher. In Italy, for whatever reason, they mix them extra low. An English game looks good and sounds good. The pitches are perfect, the spectators right next to the pitch. Third, there's the game itself, the pace and the physicality. Even when Serie A was great and EPL sucked, English games were generally more entertaining than the Italian ones. Few casual fans care about defensive tactics or such subtleties. They want to see end to end attacking with few breaks. England provides that better than other leagues. Fourth, there was David Beckham. Don't underestimate his influence for a minute. Where did EPL grow the most to reach the global status? Asia, by far the most imortantly. Man Utd realized that they had the planet's most marketable sportsman and used him to great effect. EPL has a lot of tradition support in Scandinavia and other places where people have watched it since the 60s. But the Asian thing, that happened quickly. No single man was more important in that than Beckham. Fifth, and ultimately perhaps most imprtantly, there's the influence of the British imperium and the English language. In much of the world, there are natural connections to England. In the early ages of the Internet, you could get all the info you wanted about the EPL in English. For La Liga and Serie A, that was almost impossible. Most clubs didn't even have English language versions of their websites well into the 21st century...

Ok, there were many other factors, as well. But if we want to see Serie A grow its global status, it needs to improve on both the product and the marketing of it. As it is now, and as much as I love the Serie A, I can't recommend it to anybody. That's the sad truth.
 

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Tbh expecting to ever catch up to the premiership in terms of marketing and finance is a pipe dream for other leagues. The only exception would be America and China if they took it more seriously.
 

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Serie A is still not doing well in 2016 as expected, but the absolute lowest point was 2-3 years ago. Back then, Juve wasn't a top-5 Euro team, Roma wasn't as good, Inter and Milan were just as shit.

Things will continue to get better. Roma is en route to becoming a top team. Napoli can be for a short period of time. Having a loony president will probably prevent them from becoming a long-term success. The new squad and transfers rules are excellent. And Italy will be one of the first leagues to try out video replay.

But the likelihood of Serie A being a top-two league in the foreseeable future is zero. It'll be close to another 10 years before all the major clubs own their stadium. Milan and Inter won't recover anytime soon. Roma and Napoli don't have large fanbases. With success, their fanbases will only grow incrementally, preventing them from becoming a Euro superpower. La Liga and EPL are way ahead in the game, and they have a stronghold on most of the market.

So, don't expect Serie A to do anywhere near as well as La Liga and EPL anytime soon. Because that's an unrealistic expectation where you just set yourself up for disappointment. But it is true that the absolute worst is behind us and things will continue to improve.

This thread somewhat means, your opinion is affected alot by Serie A performances in european competitions.
That and Juve's domination. Probably a little more of the latter.

This is extremely frustrating for the anti-Juventini. The sane ones can't even blame the refereeing this season. Even they know they'd sound ridiculous.

But their frustration is understandable as is neutrals finding it boring.
 

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Don't forget Bundesliga, also far ahead of Serie A.

In 10 years' time, Roma should have a new stadium, possibly Fiorentina, but that will probably be all.

I remember this issue being discussed from 2007 and in 9 years relatively little progress has been made.
 

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Don't forget Bundesliga, also far ahead of Serie A.

In 10 years' time, Roma should have a new stadium, possibly Fiorentina, but that will probably be all.

I remember this issue being discussed from 2007 and in 9 years relatively little progress has been made.
You could argue which is better, but BuLi being "far ahead" of Serie A is factually incorrect.

We started the whole process of building our stadium in mid-90s. It took us 10 yrs to gain permission and get everything sorted to build a new stadium. New Roma owners, Barbara, et al only recently took action, not in 2007. New Roma mgmt started the process as soon as they came to office. Barbara and others more recently. They do seem serious about it and finally realize owning their stadium is something they really have to pursue, so I think it'll be done.

With the positive rule changes and new stadiums, Serie A will clearly be ahead of BuLi for sure. Having a larger fanbase always helps.
 

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Germany has a richer economy and a huge football heritage. It's a bit weird that they haven't always been one of the absolute elite league when I think about it. They should have been.
 
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