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I'm starting a comparison between players of the supposed top 3 teams in England (Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd). On a scale of 1 to 10 (with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest), rate each and every first-team player of these three teams.

I know that this topic is quite controversial but please no personal attacks or bias in this thread. :nono:

By the way just to let you know I am talking ability here meaning how much ability a player has at the moment and that does not include his potential. Nor does it include how well he was in the past. It is also hard to judge players who have just come back from injury or are still injured, thus you are allowed to estimate how well that player will be when he comes back.

This is my ratings:

Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (4)
D - Cole (9), Campbell (8), Toure (7), Lauren (8), Clichy (6), Cygan (5), Senderos(8), Eboue (6)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (8), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (6), Edu (7), Gilberto (7), Osuwu-Abeyie (6)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (7), Van Persie (7), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (9), Cudicini (7)
D - Gallas (8), Terry (9), Carvalho (8), Ferreira (7), Bridge (6), Johnson (6), Huth (6)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (9), Makelele (9), Cole (8), Robben (9) , Tiago (6), Smertin (6), Geremi (5), Jarosik (6), Parker (6)
A - Gudjohnsen (7) , Drogba (8), Kezman (6), Forssell (?)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (7), Carroll (6), Ricardo (3)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (7), Ferdinand (10), G.Neville (8), O'Shea (7), Brown (7), P.Neville (5), Spector (6)
M - Giggs (7), Scholes (7), Keane (7), Ronaldo (9), Fletcher (6), Fortune (5), Miller (4), Kleberson (7)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (8), Saha (7), Smith (6), Solskjaer (6), Bellion (2)
 

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Zack said:
van Nistelrooy (8)
:eekani::eekani::eekani:

currently he deserves a 4 :pp


also Vieira deserves a 9 for us, he has been great since December.

oh and you don't think Lehmann is any better than Almunia ? :googly:
 

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Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (5), Almunia (5)
D - Cole (7), Campbell (9), Toure (6.5), Lauren (7), Clichy (7), Cygan (4), Senderos(7), Eboue (6)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (9), Fabregas (9), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (7), Edu (6), Gilberto (8), Osuwu-Abeyie (7)
F - Henry (150), Reyes (-200), Bergkamp (8), Van Persie (6.5), Aliadiere (6)

Sod the other two.
 

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Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (5)
D - Cole (9), Campbell (8), Toure (6), Lauren (7), Clichy (7), Cygan (5), Senderos(6), Eboue (6)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (6), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (7), Edu (8), Gilberto (7), Osuwu-Abeyie (8)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (7), Van Persie (7), Aliadiere (6)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (10), Cudicini (8)
D - Gallas (8), Terry (9), Carvalho (8), Ferreira (7), Bridge (6), Johnson (5), Huth (7)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (9), Makelele (9), Cole (8), Robben (9) , Tiago (7), Smertin (6), Geremi (5), Jarosik (6), Parker (7)
A - Gudjohnsen (8) , Drogba (6), Kezman (6), Forssell (?)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (6), Carroll (4), Ricardo (?)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (6), Ferdinand (9), G.Neville (7), O'Shea (7), Brown (7), P.Neville (0), Spector (6?
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (7), Keane (7), Ronaldo (8), Fletcher (7), Fortune (6), Miller (6), Kleberson (7)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (8), Saha (7), Smith (8), Solskjaer (7), Bellion (3)

Liverpool

GK - Dudek (7), Kirkland (5), Carson (7)
D - Traore (7), Warnock (7), Pellgrino (6), Hyypia (7), Carragher (8), Finnan (6), Josemi (6)
M - Riise (8), Kewell (6) Biscan (6), Hamann (7), Alonso (9), Gerrard (9), Garcia (8), Nunez (6), Smicer (5)
A - Baros (7), Cisse (8), Morientes (9), Sinama-Pongolle (7)
 

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Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (3)
D - Cole (8), Campbell (9), Toure (7), Lauren (6), Clichy (7), Cygan (4), Senderos(6), Eboue (5)
M - Pires (9), Vieira (8), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (6), Edu (6), Gilberto (7), Osuwu-Abeyie (5)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (8), Van Persie (6), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (10), Cudicini (9)
D - Gallas (8), Terry (10), Carvalho (7), Ferreira (6), Bridge (9), Johnson (7), Huth (6)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (10), Makelele (9), Cole (7), Robben (9) , Tiago (4), Smertin (5), Geremi (4), Jarosik (6), Parker (8)
A - Gudjohnsen (8) , Drogba (4), Kezman (4), Forssell (7)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (6), Carroll (5), Ricardo (?)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (6), Ferdinand (9), G.Neville (7), O'Shea (6), Brown (7), P.Neville (2), Spector (5)
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (9), Keane (8), Ronaldo (7), Fletcher (6), Fortune (5), Miller (5), Kleberson (6)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (9), Saha (7), Smith (7), Solskjaer (5), Bellion (4)
 

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Wait a minute Marc, what is your reasoning behind giving Carvalho only a 7, the same number you placed with Glen Johnson? Surely the former is at least an 8, from what I have seen. He's one of the top defenders in the world; better than Campbell for that matter.
 

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Wait a minute Marc, what is your reasoning behind giving Carvalho only a 7, the same number you placed with Glen Johnson? Surely the former is at least an 8, from what I have seen. He's one of the top defenders in the world; better than Campbell for that matter.
Do the high and low seven thing. :D Glen has done some important work that hasn't been noticed. Like his throw in the carling cup final, his assist to win an important game over christmas, his ball to Drogba against Bayern and so on. And apparently Carvalho commits fouls in the box according to you, ones that would/could cost the team (Glen just falls over, hehe). ;) He has been injured a lot as well so its hard to rate him high. I think Gallas has been much better but I can't bring myself to give him a nine... sooo.

As for being better than Campbell, no.
 

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Well, I cannot concur with that. Carvalho has been just as good as Gallas IMO, if not better. And obviously I don't rate Campbell that much because he's a one-dimensional stopper. He doesn't touch Carvalho when it comes to tackling and decision making.
 

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With Derby having a brief rest from the premiership :) I don't follow it that closely, but i'll have a stab at this.

Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (4)
D - Cole (9), Campbell (7), Toure (7), Lauren (7), Clichy (7), Cygan (5), Senderos(8), Eboue (6)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (8), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (6), Edu (7), Gilberto (7), Osuwu-Abeyie (6)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (8), Van Persie (7), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (9), Cudicini (7)
D - Gallas (8), Terry (9), Carvalho (8), Ferreira (7), Bridge (7), Johnson (6), Huth (6)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (10), Makelele (9), Cole (8), Robben (8) , Tiago (6), Smertin (6), Geremi (5), Jarosik (6), Parker (6)
A - Gudjohnsen (8) , Drogba (8), Kezman (7), Forssell (6)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (7), Carroll (7), Ricardo (3)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (7), Ferdinand (8), G.Neville (8), O'Shea (7), Brown (7), P.Neville (5), Spector (6)
M - Giggs (7), Scholes (7), Keane (7), Ronaldo (9), Fletcher (6), Fortune (5), Miller (4), Kleberson (7)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (7), Saha (7), Smith (7), Solskjaer (6), Bellion (4)
 

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Andy said:
Wait a minute Marc, what is your reasoning behind giving Carvalho only a 7, the same number you placed with Glen Johnson? Surely the former is at least an 8, from what I have seen. He's one of the top defenders in the world; better than Campbell for that matter.

Marc is just havin a little wind-up methinks, Johnson over Ferreira is just his little joke. :shades:
 

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btw

Cygan (4) G.Johnson (0) P.Neville (2)

that puts it in perspective :shades:
 

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Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (5)
D - Cole (8), Campbell (8), Toure (7), Lauren (5), Clichy (6), Cygan (5), Senderos(7), Eboue (4)
M - Pires (7), Vieira (8), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (6), Edu (7), Gilberto (7), Osuwu-Abeyie (6)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (7), Van Persie (8), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (10), Cudicini (7)
D - Gallas (9), Terry (9), Carvalho (8), Ferreira (8), Bridge (7), Johnson (6), Huth (7)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (10), Makelele 10), Cole (8), Robben (9) , Tiago (5), Smertin (5), Geremi (1), Jarosik (6), Parker (7)
A - Gudjohnsen (9) , Drogba (8), Kezman (6), Forssell (7)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (5), Carroll (6), Ricardo (5)
D - Heinze (9), Silvestre (7), Ferdinand (9), G.Neville (7), O'Shea (6), Brown (6), P.Neville (1), Spector (6)
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (8), Keane (8), Ronaldo (9), Fletcher (7), Fortune (7), Miller (4), Kleberson (4)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (9), Saha (8), Smith (5), Solskjaer (5), Bellion (4)
 

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I know that this topic is quite controversial but please no personal attacks or bias in this thread. :nono:
Your post and the claim there should be no bias contradicts itself somewhat

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Man Utd

GK - Howard (7), Carroll (6), Ricardo (3)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (7), Ferdinand (10), G.Neville (8), O'Shea (7), Brown (7), P.Neville (5), Spector (6)
M - Giggs (7), Scholes (7), Keane (7), Ronaldo (9), Fletcher (6), Fortune (5), Miller (4), Kleberson (7)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (8), Saha (7), Smith (6), Solskjaer (6), Bellion (2)
GK - Howard (6), Carroll (5), Ricardo (4)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (7), Ferdinand (8), G.Neville (7), O'Shea (6), Brown (5), P.Neville (4)
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (8), Keane (6), Ronaldo (8), Fletcher (6), Fortune (4), Kleberson (4)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (7), Saha (5), Smith (5), Solskjaer (6), Bellion (3)

You're a tad generous to a lot of your players, giving Ferdinand a 10 is laughable IMO
 

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Well I'll give it a shot.

Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (7), Almunia (5)
D - Cole (10), Campbell (9), Toure (7), Lauren (7), Clichy (7), Cygan (4), Senderos(6), Eboue (5)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (9), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (5), Edu (7), Gilberto (8), Osuwu-Abeyie (6)
F - Henry (10), Reyes (7), Bergkamp (8), Van Persie (7), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (10), Cudicini (9)
D - Gallas (8), Terry (10), Carvalho (9), Ferreira (8), Bridge (7), Johnson (6), Huth (5)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (9), Makelele (9), Cole (7), Robben (9) , Tiago (5), Smertin (4), Geremi (7), Jarosik (6), Parker (7)
A - Gudjohnsen (8) , Drogba (7), Kezman (4),

Man Utd

GK - Howard (6), Carroll (6)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (6), Ferdinand (10), G.Neville (7), O'Shea (7), Brown (6), P.Neville (4), Spector (4)
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (8), Keane (8), Ronaldo (7), Fletcher (5), Fortune (6), Miller (3), Kleberson (5)
A - Rooney (9), van Nistelrooy (10), Saha (7), Smith (5), Solskjaer (? been ages since I saw him play), Bellion (3)
 

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Arsenal

GK - Lehmann (6), Almunia (3)
D - Cole (9), Campbell (9), Toure (7), Lauren (6), Clichy (6), Cygan (4), Senderos(7), Eboue (6)
M - Pires (8), Vieira (9), Fabregas (7), Ljungberg (8), Flamini (6), Edu (6), Gilberto (6), Osuwu-Abeyie (5)
F - Henry (9), Reyes (8), Bergkamp (8), Van Persie (7), Aliadiere (5)

Chelsea

GK - Cech (10), Cudicini (9)
D - Gallas (7), Terry (9), Carvalho (8), Ferreira (7), Bridge (7), Johnson (5), Huth (5)
M - Duff (8), Lampard (9), Makelele (8), Cole (7), Robben (9) , Tiago (4), Smertin (6), Geremi (4), Jarosik (5), Parker (7)
A - Gudjohnsen (6) , Drogba (7), Kezman (5), Forssell (6)

Man Utd

GK - Howard (5), Carroll (5), Ricardo 0?)
D - Heinze (8), Silvestre (5), Ferdinand (8), G.Neville (4), O'Shea (4), Brown (6), P.Neville (2), Spector (5)
M - Giggs (8), Scholes (9), Keane (8), Ronaldo (9), Fletcher (6), Fortune (5), Miller (3), Kleberson (6)
A - Rooney (4), van Nistelrooy (7), Saha (5), Smith (5), Solskjaer (5), Bellion (1)

Now a proper team

LIVERPOOL
GK - Dudek (6), Kirkland (6), Carson (6)
D - Traore (7), Warnock (7), Pellgrino (6), Hyypia (5), Carragher (9), Finnan (8), Josemi (6)
M - Riise (8), Kewell (6) Biscan (6), Hamann (7), Alonso (10), Gerrard (10), Garcia (8), Nunez (6), Smicer (5)
A - Baros (7), Cisse (8), Morientes (8), Sinama-Pongolle (7)
 

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Rooney (4)

Sinama-Pongolle (7)

:howler: :howler: :howler:
 

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Nico said:
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Rooney (4)

Sinama-Pongolle (7)

:howler: :howler: :howler:
I'll admit, that is slightly ridiculous.
 

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Now a proper team

LIVERPOOL
GK - Dudek (6), Kirkland (6), Carson (6)
D - Traore (7), Warnock (7), Pellgrino (6), Hyypia (5), Carragher (9), Finnan (8), Josemi (6)
M - Riise (8), Kewell (6) Biscan (6), Hamann (7), Alonso (10), Gerrard (10), Garcia (8), Nunez (6), Smicer (5)
A - Baros (7), Cisse (8), Morientes (8), Sinama-Pongolle (7)
Bit generous to Pongolle, Finnan and Traore and arguably kind to the keepers and harsh on Hyypia. Maybe 10s are a bit generous to the two classy players but I'm not convinced worthy of 10s. Not far out though, I suppose you could make a case for any of those ratings. Better than a manc review of their team but then what else is new
 
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