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First and foremost: BRAZIL (Exhibit A)

Why does this happen….? For some reason Brazil never tries too hard against France. They lost to France in 1986 on pk’s, Tournoi de France in 1997 (tied 1-1), 1998 WC Final (Ronaldo was food poisoned/that’s understandable :happy:), 2001 Confederations Cup semis, FIFA 100years centenary match (tied 0-0), and 2006 WC (R9 was injured/the rest played like crap :howler:).

What happened to the days when Brazil used to beat the living crap out France? WC 1958 Pele, Garrincha, and company trashed the French 5-2!!! :proud::proud::proud:

I guess they don’t respect France enough? They don’t rate the French or something :happy:? Dagoods wonders what the thought process... Probably the players are like: “Oh we have to face France, tomorrow, lets sneak out of the hotel room and party all night :D. We have nothing to fear; they are as good/strong as Portugal, piece of cake” :D:D:D
 

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Moving on: ITALY (Exhibit B)

It’s no secret they have always struggled against teams/players that are confident with the ball, good dribblers, great technique, creative players in other words South Americans :D:D:D:proud::proud::proud:

But North Korea spanked them in 66 and S. Korea trashed them in 02…why is that…how could this be? Are they guilty of underestimating the Koreans? Well Dagoods doesn’t see it this way. Brazil underestimating France is understandable but this Korean OWNAGE has nothing to do with Italy underestimating them :howler:.

It’s simple; the Koreans modeled their game after the S. Americans :eek::eek::eek:. This the reason why they were able to upset Italia, IMHO :D. Italians should learn from this valuable lesson. They should ship little youth prodigies to any country in S. America :happy:! Oh yeah have these kids play in the barrios, along with poor kids who cannot afford a soccer ball/soccer shoes. They’ll be exposed and introduced to the beautiful/poetic S. American style of play :D. What a great opportunity… to have these young Italians hone their technique/skills. Dagoods bet Italian soccer would benefit from this :D.
 

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And last but not least: REAL MADRID (Exhibit C)

We all saw what took place this week and 2 weeks ago. Real Madrid clearly underestimated Liverpool :happy:. We are 0-3 against them (Liverpool defeated us 1-0 in 1981)…as a matter of fact we haven’t scored a damn goal against them in UCL competition, at least not yet :D.

Well Dagoods knows exactly why we have continued to underestimate Liverpool. You see when you think of Liverpool, you think of The Beatles!!! And not some humble little football club. 18 Football League/Premier Leagues titles, 5 UCL Trophies, and a bunch of silly Coca Cola Cups. Is that suppose to impress REAL MADRID? Obviously not! We won our 5th UCL in 1960 for crying out loud. We are Real Madrid: 31 ligas, 9 UCL’s, and 17 Spanish Cups :proud::proud::proud:. Liverpools is clearly not in our league.

Yeah the Brits may be kicking arse in football right now…but hey: Florentino is coming boys ;)

Is Dagoods exaggerating…?
You know how it goes…


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After reading the exhibit A I already knew both the exhibit B and the exhibit C. You have become predictable. :moan:
 

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Can we also have an "Exhibit D" about how every single team in the world underestimates Peru? :D

And I don't think "underestimating" had anything to do with Real getting sodomized by Liverpool. It happened because Liverpool's team is way more organized than Real's, and because Liverpool picks their starters based on form and not fan-favoritism (unlike Real).
 

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S. Korea trashed them in 02…why is that…how could this be? Are they guilty of underestimating the Koreans? Well Dagoods doesn’t see it this way. Brazil underestimating France is understandable but this Korean OWNAGE has nothing to do with Italy underestimating them :howler:.

It’s simple; the Koreans modeled their game after the S. Americans :eek::eek::eek:.
Nope it's even simpler than that. The Koreans bought easy corruptible South American refs. Not even Moggi could come close to what the South Koreans did. First European ref in the Knockout stages and viola they lose to Germany. Is it so hard to see? your thoughts, your thoughts
 

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Nope it's even simpler than that. The Koreans bought easy corruptible South American refs. Not even Moggi could come close to what the South Koreans did. First European ref in the Knockout stages and viola they lose to Germany. Is it so hard to see? your thoughts, your thoughts
Nonsense. Korea beat Italy in 2002 because the Italian coach was a coward and the Italian players were too overconfident. Korea was undeniably helped by the ref against Spain, but they defeated Italy fair and square.
 

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yea... Italy had their chance to win that game ... they blew it

Brasil doesnt underestimate France, we have an inferiority complex
 

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Funny thing is I think the correct answer is YES:happy: & NO:depress:

Italy with their affinity for conspiracy theories & inheret suspicions of refs were bound to lose to S.Korea in dramatic fashion with the ref playing a part...I mean after what happened to them in '66 against the North...it was almost a foregone conclusion they would lose looking back at that game...

I mean a Korean player playing for Perugia scores a header beating Maldini in the process:howler:...I mean you cant make up that shit...
 

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Nonsense. Korea beat Italy in 2002 because the Italian coach was a coward and the Italian players were too overconfident. Korea was undeniably helped by the ref against Spain, but they defeated Italy fair and square.
Fair & Balanced like Fox News? Let's see Totti was send off because he got fouled in the penalty area. Instead of being a penalty for Italy it was red for Totti. Indeed that is fairness. On the other side a penalty that could not be given so easily was given for the Koreans just like that. Thomasi was one on one with the keeper and the ref said it was offside. That would have been 2 for Italy. Sure it could have gone either way, but everything just happen to go against Italy and considering the next game vs Spain you get the point. Not to say that Hiddink didn't outclass Trap, but saying it was fair & square would be like a Pepsi promoter saying "Pepsi keeps your teeth healthy".
 

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Fair & Balanced like Fox News? Let's see Totti was send off because he got fouled in the penalty area. Instead of being a penalty for Italy it was red for Totti.
Totti got the card for diving. He dived.

Thomasi was one on one with the keeper and the ref said it was offside.
The offside had already been given by the ref before Tommasi shot at goal. The play had already stopped. The ball was shot at goal after the whistle had stopped the play, therefore it was not a goal. It was offside.

A dive inside the box and a finish after the offside whistle aren't the same thing as a penalty and a goal. Italy had close to zero offensive power due to their manager's cowardly tactics against a well-organized underdog, one of Italy's stars was individually beaten in a clutch moment, and the game was lost. Totti dived and deserved the card, and Tommasi was offside and shot at goal after the whistle. Bad refereeing helped Korea against Spain, yes, but Italy lost to their own mistakes (among which was underestimating Korea). Blaming the referee is just scapegoating.

But we've had this discussion before.
 

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Totti got the card for diving. He dived.



The offside had already been given by the ref before Tommasi shot at goal. The play had already stopped. The ball was shot at goal after the whistle had stopped the play, therefore it was not a goal. It was offside.

A dive inside the box and a finish after the offside whistle aren't the same thing as a penalty and a goal. Italy had close to zero offensive power due to their manager's cowardly tactics against a well-organized underdog, one of Italy's stars was individually beaten in a clutch moment, and the game was lost. Totti dived and deserved the card, and Tommasi was offside and shot at goal after the whistle. Bad refereeing helped Korea against Spain, yes, but Italy lost to their own mistakes (among which was underestimating Korea). Blaming the referee is just scapegoating.

But we've had this discussion before.
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from the last replay angle it is clearly visible there was a contact and his leg is caught by the Korean so he didn't deserve the card. Korean does get the ball before the gets the man so no penalty but Totti's yellow card for diving was a wrong decision by the ref, plain and simple.
 
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