Bernard > Messi
Exactly. Brazilians were following/supporting dunga the same the sheep support dictators.Time to get back to our football roots.
Get and offfensive coach and let's play like Brasil again.
yeh..Pathetic to see how Galvão Bueno never said it was Julio Cesar's fault at the first goal that changed everything. lol
And there I never said Julio Baptista always played well for the NT, but that he had conquered his position coming from the bench and scoring goals. I said quite clearly that I did not like him (never did) at all.Check around page 7-8 of the other topic (the pinned one about the WC) and you'll remember your opinions.
And it was not that bad. Even Gilberto Silva did a good game. Melo was far from a disaster. Kaka was doing well and Daniel Alves having his best game at that position in the cup. After the goal the team scrambled completely, it was not our middlefield, even our defense failed. Anyways, who said Dunga lost any faith? Kleberson didnt even play enough for him to lost faith. I thought Dunga would come with Grafitte or JB in the place of Gilberto at last momments, but obviously Dunga was out of his mind even to try this simple trick (I dunno, maybe fear of being called simplorious, maybe fear to play extra-time with that formation), but he lost his faith? Would he put Josue or Kleberson there? I think it was very possible that without the red, Nilmar would come in Felipe place.You've said our midfield was not that bad and we ended up not trying a single change in theat sector with everyone there playing badly on the second half, simply because even Dunga lost faith in his Josues, Klebersons and Baptistas after he tried using them.
Robinho was good, there is no reason for him not be there and he at NT was a much more dedicated player. That still true. He wasnt such big disapointment, albeit he was clearly one of the most out of control players in the second half.You've also said Robinho could lead the team, that he always is good enough for the NT and he was TERRIBLE in the second half, when we really needed him. Scored 3 goals, not a terrible WC, but a very forgettable one. No Rivaldo, no Romário, no Ronaldo here (not saying you compared him to those, but you trusted him as our main attacker).
As I said, Bastos was even having his best game. Probally, if he played like this before we would shrug about him. Robben was cointained (not much effort, é um pipoqueiro) and even ridiculous. But he was experient enough to use the referee. That caused some instability, which was the result of the red card and how the corner was created and the substitution. Also, Bastos was not good enough to take advantage of the left side, less marked.About the game, the goals came from crosses from the left-side, the first one being an accident of our defense, it was not a good play coming from there. The second one came from a corner, not a play well constructed on the left based on the weakness of our fullback, a corner who Kuyt made a bizarre assist.
I do think we could have a different bench. I dont think it was a key today, unless as different bench, we mean a different Dunga (not in chosing players, but how handling them). I do think the World Cup is won more on this mental state than having 3 different bench players and we lost there. I pointed that Felipe was one of my fears and yes, it is an underachivement. I did not like how Brazil was too relaxed in this cup (with the spirit of first round of games and not the spirit of the other games, when the cup gained some audacy) and Brazil, while seemed under control, was not really imposing. This is not the press talk about brazilian way or anything, even a counterattacking team must be intense. we are not. A defensive team, must be. We are not.The team played well in the first half, it was not a shameful exit like 2006, I can agree on all that. I'm not saying everything was bad, but again, for Brazil, it's a big underachievment. And it had problems me and others could foresee. You and Garrincha had your points, you sure know football, but in my opinion you made the problems weaker than they seem. Felipe Melo was key for the failure today, the lack of players on the bench to at least try something different was evident. And let's remember Dani Alves stayed on the team even after making 3 bad consecutive games because after we lost Elano not even Dunga could trust Kléberson or JB to play there.
Michel Bastos isn't a rightwinger any more than Cafu was one in 2002; Bastos played as leftback for YEARS before arriving in France, and he knew the position perfectly well. To give credit where it's due, Michel Bastos had delivered a great performance against Chile's dangerous rightwinger (who was one of Chile's main offensive weapons, but Bastos dominated him comfortably); and he was actually doing pretty well against Robben on the 1st half, until Bastos got an unfortunate yellow card - and on the 2nd half Dunga decided to move him upfield and put Gilberto on the leftback (and it was Gilberto who failed completely at the leftback, allowing Holland to run over us through his sector).Ele não pode ser questionado!!! Ele bota um ponta direita de lateral esquerdo e robben vai jogar em cima desse panaca... Mas fazer o quê né... Tanta gente "entendida" de futebol tava apoiando essa ameba...
Felipe Melo was the most interesting character in the Brasil x Holland game for the roles he played in both halves: he played a terrific 1st half, delivering a masterful pass to our goal and doing a solid job defensively overall. Then came the 2nd half, where he suffered the same meltdown that afflicted almost everyone on our team, and committed too many decisive mistakes, culminating with that disgraceful foul that earned him a red card.The team played well in the first half, it was not a shameful exit like 2006, I can agree on all that. I'm not saying everything was bad, but again, for Brazil, it's a big underachievment. And it had problems me and others could foresee. You and Garrincha had your points, you sure know football, but in my opinion you made the problems weaker than they seem. Felipe Melo was key for the failure today, the lack of players on the bench to at least try something different was evident. And let's remember Dani Alves stayed on the team even after making 3 bad consecutive games because after we lost Elano not even Dunga could trust Kléberson or JB to play there.