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hello to all football fans
i am a 25 years old student who is doing a paper about the link between politics and football.

if any of you could help me by telling me about "red" left wing teams and supporters in your country,or even give me their supporters sites adresess i would aprriceate it a lot.

thank you very much.
 

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Some of the "red" clubs in Italy are Torino, Livorno, Bologna, Vicenza, Modena, Ternana, Genoa & to some extent Milan.
 

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Having said that I don't think club sites would help, as none of the clubs have official political affiliation. Some of the supporters groups may even have different politics than others in the same curva, although I guess "unofficial" fan sites may have political references.
 

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you wouldnt happen to have some unofficial sites in which i could get in touch with some of those ultras leaders would you?

by the way, what about piacenza and sampdoria?

thanks a lot man.
 

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moskal said:
by the way, what about piacenza and sampdoria?
I'd thought most Piacenza ultras were right-wing, they used to have skinhead groups but most are defunct now. Samp is more neutral but perhaps have some left-leaning groups, mind their main rivals Genoa are a well-known red curva.

Other "red" supporters: Atalanta, Brescia, Empoli & Ancona
 

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to some extent Milan.
i'm clearly no expert but this is what i've heard/seen too. Most of the big clubs with lots of fans will tend to have supporters drawn from a broad spectrum of political parties.

Apparently Milan fans in general lean more to the left than those of Inter for these clubs from the same city. It's mostly a stereotype but it would still have some basis in fact, even though there are right wing groups that support Milan too.

A lot of these ideas and tendencies seem to be losing sway though. Milan's owner is obviously a big exponent of capitalism and is probably one of the wealthiest men in Europe, but i don't think the traditional supporters of the club will support another team just because of they may not like the man in charge.
 

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Inter=Club of the wealthy and the distinguished
Milan=Club of the lower classes and the common people

Traditionally speakin
 

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Can anyone tell me once and for all, and in the simplest terms possible, what "left-wing" and "right-wing" represents? Here is someone who has no knowledge about the history of Italy to fall back on.

I understand too that there's traditionally a political and cultural divide, geographically, between the North and the South. Can Italians on XT Italia explain what all these mean in the context of football?

I'd very much like to understand the country outside of the football.
 

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terms like "left-wing", "right-wing" etc are global in use and not exclusively associated with Italy or its politics.

i can't give a great explanation but "left-wing" is just a way to describe a party, faction, organistation etc or even a person with socialist/communist leanings to some extent. And "right-wing" conversely would be a description of similar entities with more nationalistic sympathies.

Usually in Western countries you would have a fairly moderate government that may lean one way or the other. For example, at the moment, the administration in Italy or the USA is generally considered as Centre-right while the current government in the UK would be considered as Centre-left i suppose.

Both terms are subject to extensive stereotyping, and i don't want to get banned so i'll leave that there. Italy in the last century has experienced considerable unrest generated by both left-wing and right-wing groups. A lot of the time there can be big problems with extremists of any persuasion, who unfortunately often only share violence as a common interest.
 

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Vagabondo said:
i'm clearly no expert but this is what i've heard/seen too. Most of the big clubs with lots of fans will tend to have supporters drawn from a broad spectrum of political parties.
Exactly, with the big clubs you get the broad spectrum & many fans who don't care about politics at all, just the football ;) Some of the original ultra groups at Milan (some would say Fossa is the original ultra group anywhere) were left-leaning, but anymore it's not really an issue.

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Apparently Milan fans in general lean more to the left than those of Inter for these clubs from the same city. It's mostly a stereotype but it would still have some basis in fact, even though there are right wing groups that support Milan too.
Traditionally this was the case, but ironically the more conservative, bourgeois Interisti had to change their name to Ambrosiana Inter during Mussolini's era because it sounded too "communist" :pp But despite the breakdown of these traditions, Inter still has many more right-wing groups than Milan.

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A lot of these ideas and tendencies seem to be losing sway though. Milan's owner is obviously a big exponent of capitalism and is probably one of the wealthiest men in Europe, but i don't think the traditional supporters of the club will support another team just because of they may not like the man in charge.
Yes, another irony in Berlusca owning the club of the "workers." I guess most wouldn't complain when his money is buying European Cups & Scudetti, personal politics don't seem as important when the club is winning :)
 

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Vagabondo said:
terms like "left-wing", "right-wing" etc are global in use and not exclusively associated with Italy or its politics.

i can't give a great explanation but "left-wing" is just a way to describe a party, faction, organistation etc or even a person with socialist/communist leanings to some extent. And "right-wing" conversely would be a description of similar entities with more nationalistic sympathies.

Usually in Western countries you would have a fairly moderate government that may lean one way or the other. For example, at the moment, the administration in Italy or the USA is generally considered as Centre-right while the current government in the UK would be considered as Centre-left i suppose.

Both terms are subject to extensive stereotyping, and i don't want to get banned so i'll leave that there. Italy in the last century has experienced considerable unrest generated by both left-wing and right-wing groups. A lot of the time there can be big problems with extremists of any persuasion, who unfortunately often only share violence as a common interest.
Good explanation, politics in Italy since World War II has been subject to this extremism form both left & right unfortunatley, as recently as the late 70's-early 80's the Italian governmnent was nearly taken over by a right-wing coup that gained support from widespread disgust at the action of the communist Red Brigades, who among other atrocities assassinated the former Italian PM Aldo Moro.

With the survival of such groups as the Lega Nord & Alleanza Nazionale, extreme political views aren't just found in the curva. I guess this discussion may be getting a bit too political, but it holds a great interest for me ;)
 
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