Well...actually yes....but hes a sport star...a lot of young ppl are watching him....and hes a star 2 them.....Drulo said:I still say a man should decide himself what he sees fit to put on his body and no government should be allowed to mingle IMO.
With all the respect, those articles are crap. First of all, history is always subjective. It depends on your viewpoint all the way. Neither of us was probably alive at the time of 2nd world war, so we cannot know about what was happening there from our experience, but only from what we are told by people, who again, have different viewpoints of the things that happened. Secondly, I never heard about this Bajt guy. Which could may even be my fault, given that I don't follow politics that much, but on the other hand, I am sure that our right wing parties would love to throw the claims from these articles into the face of former communists, if they were anywhere near credibility. Thirdly, it says that this guy was in Rome during the 2nd world war. So how exactly did he know what is happening in Jugoslavia?Andrija PFC said:Rather than contiuing that debate, I'll leave you with an interesting interview with a pretty famous Slovene:
I'm sure you can find out more on the subject if you're truly interested about objective history.
I can understand that as well (sidenote: most of the chetnik units in Croatia were in fact not under Mihailovic's command) and I can understand why it can raise emotions, but comparisons with Hitler, Pavelic et al. are completely out of line and the whole thing about not letting him into the country is, as I said, a cheap political gimmick. Personally I just think the Croatian government (HDZ) is trying to flex some nationalistic muscle b/c they have already conceeded on other nationalistic issues (like the Hague), and in Bosnia it is just trying to get people's minds off other burning issues.But since chetniks and ustashes fought many bloody battles during the WW2, I can understand why Croatians don't want to let a person with Mihajlovic tatoo enter their country.
Really? People like Mihajlovic? Half a country destroyed in the name of a football player?Half our country was destroyed in the name of people like Mihajlovic.
It sure is. I mean, this discussion has nothing to with football.Arguing whether Mihajlovic was good or bad is besides the point.
ha ha ha .. thats why all the croatian people have been crying over all of their statues of croatian facists being taken down ?dinamovac11 said:Plus, when you look at it, it is politically consistent with everything that has been happening in Croatia.. Recently a spomenik of Francetic was taken down for example..
Of all the history i have read im pretty sure that Draza and the Cetniks were on Hitlers side since they opposed communism and the Partizans, but thats still no reason to subject someone from entering a country just because of his tatoo look at all the CSKA fans they have tons of nazi and hitler tatoos and i dont see anyone stoping them from going to another country.Its a democracy and if you want to live in a democracy then let people be free he is not hurting anyone with a tatoo.Then again what would happen in the NBA if some white player had a tatoo of the KKK im sure they would tell him to cover it or else.Yup.. good comparison, except for the fact that mihajlovic was no hitler, fought against hitler, and was awarded by the United States with the highest possible award for any foreigner for his actions during WW2.
I perfectly understand that and I didn't judge your post in any way, I only judged those articles. As I said, they were written by a guy, who was situated in Rome and didn't see what was really happening in Jugoslavia, but he could only write his book based on what other people told him. Secondly, I didn't hear anyone in Slovenia talk about this guy or his book - although I am pretty sure, that the right wing parties could find his work quite pleasent in their witchhunt against the ex communists. And finally, the article imposes that this guy was contradictory himself - claiming he was supporting Slovenian independence while being Jugoslavija-oriented... :wth:Andrija PFC said:Why are they crap? I'm not one to sugercoat chetnik history nor do I want a "chetnik mythology" to supercede the "partisan mythology" like some do but we need objectivity.
Draza was NOT on Hitler's side. Mihajlovic hated Hitler, unlike Pavelic and the Bosnian mufti who s*cked Hitler's balls. :yuck: You cannot find a pic of Mihajlovic meeting Hitler.. or anything like that, it's just false..Ambis said:Of all the history i have read im pretty sure that Draza and the Cetniks were on Hitlers side since they opposed communism and the Partizans, but thats still no reason to subject someone from entering a country just because of his tatoo look at all the CSKA fans they have tons of nazi and hitler tatoos and i dont see anyone stoping them from going to another country.Its a democracy and if you want to live in a democracy then let people be free he is not hurting anyone with a tatoo.Then again what would happen in the NBA if some white player had a tatoo of the KKK im sure they would tell him to cover it or else.
Why ? becuase you are too scared to get a tatoo of Mihajlovic ? too scared to see what other people what do or say ? Thats p*ssy, if Gurovic wants a tatoo of Draza Mihajlovic, who is anyone else to criticize him over what he wants to have on his arm ?Ben Akiba said:First of all, what Gurovic did is an atmost stupidity and mockery of Draza Mihailovic.