Gurovic tatoo....!

Andrija PFC said:

Rather than contiuing that debate, I'll leave you with an interesting interview with a pretty famous Slovene:
http://www.vreme.com/arhiva_html/460/09.html
http://www.vreme.com/arhiva_html/461/11.html
http://www.vreme.com/arhiva_html/462/08.html
I'm sure you can find out more on the subject if you're truly interested about objective history.

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With all the respect, those articles are crap. First of all, history is always subjective. It depends on your viewpoint all the way. Neither of us was probably alive at the time of 2nd world war, so we cannot know about what was happening there from our experience, but only from what we are told by people, who again, have different viewpoints of the things that happened. Secondly, I never heard about this Bajt guy. Which could may even be my fault, given that I don't follow politics that much, but on the other hand, I am sure that our right wing parties would love to throw the claims from these articles into the face of former communists, if they were anywhere near credibility. Thirdly, it says that this guy was in Rome during the 2nd world war. So how exactly did he know what is happening in Jugoslavia?

Back to the issue. I've heard many contradictional stories about Draza Mihajlovic, so basically I can't make an objective judgement about his deeds. But since chetniks and ustashes fought many bloody battles during the WW2, I can understand why Croatians don't want to let a person with Mihajlovic tatoo enter their country. Whether this is right or wrong, I have no idea - maybe it could be solved with monte's proposal, so that he would wear long sleeved shirt during the matches (where the fvck are Croatian posters when you need them? :wth: :howler: :howler: )

Whether he should be banned from entering Slovenia, again, I have no idea. For one, Mihajlovic didn't do any harm to our nation and given that some Slovenians, who took part of after-war executions still live here, I guess a person, who wears a tatoo of one (supposed) criminal can make little or no harm at all...


BTW, monte, is that you on that pic on the left of your post? :heart: :horny:

Bloody hell..

Half our country was destroyed in the name of people like Mihajlovic. This happened just over a decade ago!! Do you not see why Croatian people do not want to see crap like that anymore?

Arguing whether Mihajlovic was good or bad is besides the point.

The people are just getting over recent events, the last thing they need is for a seljak like Gurovic to come to Croatia parading a supposed Serb war "hero."

Plus, when you look at it, it is politically consistent with everything that has been happening in Croatia.. Recently a spomenik of Francetic was taken down for example..

I was against the banning just to see whether he had the balls to come to Croatia because he already failed to show up once before. You can't cover it up because the people still know it is there.. Especially now with all the headlines..

Why are they crap? I'm not one to sugercoat chetnik history nor do I want a "chetnik mythology" to supercede the "partisan mythology" like some do but we need objectivity. I've gone on about the subject at length before and do not want to again nor is this the place for it. Bajt is (was, he is dead) the most regarded Slovene economist of the past century btw.

But since chetniks and ustashes fought many bloody battles during the WW2, I can understand why Croatians don't want to let a person with Mihajlovic tatoo enter their country.

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I can understand that as well (sidenote: most of the chetnik units in Croatia were in fact not under Mihailovic's command) and I can understand why it can raise emotions, but comparisons with Hitler, Pavelic et al. are completely out of line and the whole thing about not letting him into the country is, as I said, a cheap political gimmick. Personally I just think the Croatian government (HDZ) is trying to flex some nationalistic muscle b/c they have already conceeded on other nationalistic issues (like the Hague), and in Bosnia it is just trying to get people's minds off other burning issues.

I mean, think about this: maybe they should ban all of Partizan as a team because the communists (partisans) did their fair share of killing and oppressing during and after the war, and I'm sure many would find the name offensive. I mean, why not outlaw the red star as they did in Hungary?

The issue is not Draza and should not be directed in this way since it will end nowhere. The issue is a player, Milan Gurovic, and why he should or should not be banned from playing in Croatia, BiH or wherever Draza's picture is considered to be offensive.

First of all, what Gurovic did is an atmost stupidity and mockery of Draza Mihailovic. Second, Gurovic did it to make a political statement with an intention to provoke everyone who regard Mihailovic as a political or national enemy. Gurovic is known for his nationalistic and chauvinistic public expresions and this was not the only time he was involved in controversy regarding his behavior. For that, he is the one who has to bear consequences and not to relay the whole naton and political establishment to deal with his psychopaty. I do not see the reason why politicians, media or public in Serbia have to be involved and try to justify such a bizare display of political and national attitude. Unless they see Gurovic's behavior as something normal whereas the decisions of Croatian and BiH governements as something hostile and unjust. I could care less what that idiot puts on his arms or forhead - the shame is his. But I can also see why Croats and Bosniaks do not want him in their countries.