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Phonies on the pitch
By Yossi Sarid

In a few days, the storm surrounding Beitar Jerusalem's 5-0 loss to Wisla Krakow will abate, the shame will fade and the praise will return. Was it not hinted last week that "it was possible" to beat Barcelona, drawn to play the victor in the Israel-Poland encounter? The Catalonians are not the sons of gods. They have only two legs and one head, and on a "good day," the sky is the limit.

In a few days, this talk will return in Israel. Let bygones be bygones; now we're focused on the league, our "bread and butter." Now we're looking forward, and there's no need to pick at wounds. And next year, they'll once again be saying that Beitar is as eternal as Jerusalem, and that its losses are only temporary. Luck simply forgot to make an appearance.

Beitar Jerusalem is only a metaphor for the state of local soccer. It's just one example of a cheap product whose second-rate quality would not have been revealed had they not tried to sell it abroad. It brought ridicule even in the Polish market. The Israeli soccer player is a phony. At best, he could be sold to Belgium, but he's quickly returned even there. He also gets very homesick, because at home he's the center of attention. I recently met a sports commentator in the street and asked him why he and his colleagues treat every lout as a "very talented player"; what exactly makes them believe in his hidden talents? The answer is obvious: If the players are louts, what does that make commentators who make a living off them?

Foreign players in Israel are also phonies. Let's not delude ourselves: Only a soccer player on his last legs will waste his time here. He'll come here only if he has no choice, because he was not wanted elsewhere.

Israel's coaches are also phonies. Don't believe in some coaching occult, the 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 formations or any other such combination. There are no good or bad coaches. Rather, they are leaders, bad or good - those who respect themselves and inspire players to try. Ralph Klein was a coach like any other, but he was also a leader.

And the good old fans are also phonies. They don't really show up at matches to enjoy themselves, they come to see the loser lose. Beitar fans are content to beat Hapoel Tel Aviv fans, and vice versa. This isn't Europe, and why should Europe interest this hate-filled, frustrated neighborhood?

That is how Israeli soccer works, and it will continue to propel itself forward. We shall lose in the World Cup qualifiers this September because players are corrupted by money, fame and celebrity, as well as by the fans, papers and models that chase them; because there is not one Israeli player who justifies his exorbitant salary. So what if their performance is somewhat lacking on the pitch?
 

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This is a really good article i think...
it nails Israeli soccer where it hurts.

I mean, we always look down at other leauges. Poland, Belgium, Austria..but we seldom forget how strict their staff and players are and how professional they act towards the media and the opponents.

Foreign players dont see anything to come to Israel. Its a stepping ground for many young African hopefuls to touch Europe. Lets face it- if there wasn't UEFA or CL than i dont think they would come.
Those who do come because of the pay..but they are not really intrested in the game. Many of them promised alot and shown nothing....

At one end, i feel that we should say - foget the 5 foreign rules and let in as many foreign players as possible to compete with Europe and to raise our level.
But with the lazyness and uncertainty of Foreigners, our only hope is our domestic side and the domestic side can lead us,but they are also pretty rough and like the article stated - some are phonies who seek fame and celebrity status as if they go to a game, lose 5-0 and then go out to a casino or to a night club.

Is this our soccer?
In Belgium they would be working day and night just to make up for a loss like that...
In Israel...its not bad... but hey..your away from home, its a nice city..have some fun while your had a rough game...
 

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This is their job and they take it for granted.

Football should be their life to them because, quite frankly, it is. They need to be professionals and wake up every morning knowing that for the next 8-9 hours they will be working and training and doing whatever it is they need to do as a professional footballer.

Im sick of all the sh*t foreigners that come to this league. They are garbage players and are worthless.
Wow, he's Brazilian, lets sign him. What!? he played for Gremio, okay hes our man....... NO THEY Freaking AREN'T!

Our league is no better than Cyprus or Belarus or Finland. Until the mentality changes, it will stay like that.

Hell, get rid of all the foreigners and invest more money in training, and proper facilities for the local boys. That is who they need to invest their money in!
 

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We frankly have oligarch's who are willing to put money into the game. But most of them dont know anything about soccer. I dont think they even care. They see an example in Russia or Qatar and try to copy it.

We just dont have the mentality and we stated before that a good number of players, if taken a physical - examination would not be fit.

Ill be honest, with clubs - the only club that cares about Europe is Maccabi Haifa. They have a good system and they have a little to show than the others.

For the National Team, im also critical, because once again, no one cares about it sometimes and you have a sloppy play. Its ironic how we say that we are 20th best in the world and we are doing a good job to be in World Cup 2010 when in close to 20 years in UEFA we only won 16 offical qualification tournaments (according to UEFA). Im not saying its not alot, but we seem to have our heads stuck in 2005 and think that if we do what we did for WC 2006, it can be repeated in 2008, 2010 and beyond....
 

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We have the talent, but we dont have the mentality. That is pretty much the resume of things in Israeli football. Like Lior said, if this money was invested in the youth systems properly we would have a better league, better teams, better players and consequently a very competitive NT. because as we could see with all these problems we still cause upsets on big teams and we can produce players such as Benayoun, Awat, itzhaki and even go in the past with Berkovic, Revivo, Rosenthal etc...
 

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All im gonna say is that we dont try.

Even since the 70's we were happy with ties. I saw a video of Israel-Italy in the WC and Israel was so happy with a tie.
It was happy with a tie vs. France and Ireland. For what?
Its all the same in the end
 
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