[Macca]

Think about it he isnt good enough for Man U and certainly not for England he's a average defender crap at going forward and doesnt know the offside rule.This opens the door for Jamie carragher who is well better than Neville and much more reliable.

I for one am pleased that he's out of the WC.

 

[lofty]

not so sure myself actually .....and i agree with most of what you say about neville.

but for one i think sven for some reason prefers danny mills to carragher and i'm not too keen on seeing the leeds thug in the line up.

and secondly neville for all his faults has a hell of a lot of experience at this level - 40 or 50 caps i think and he links up er
adequately with his pal becks on the right.

i just think this close to a tournament, this is another problem we could have done without ...

 

[utopia]

I have a principle I have always maintained in football.....NEVER wish for someone to get injured and NEVER be happy about someone getting injured.

NEVER..........No matter how much you hate a player....

 

[lskydiver]

Although i hate the bloke and cant believe he's earned so many caps for being so average, its a shame to see him injured. I was glad to see Beckham injured because it made everyone realise that we don't depend on him and i think he's overrated. We've still got Gerrard.

 

[Beechy]

i agree with you eutopia.

the worst thing is that now englands right side will be totally different, without the 1st choice beckham and neville.

And u cant really think carragher is better than gary Neviille??

cmon, dont be daft

 

[Digger Man]

As much as I dislike the guy, Danny Mills has to be England's right-back should Gary Neville not recover in time. Carragher is great; his workrate and man-marking skills are second to none. However, the man very rarely crosses the halfway line to make overlaping runs. He's solid, but at International level that's not enough.

Danny Mills for all his disciplinary problems is a very fine full-back. He can defend, make surging runs down the flank and has a decent cross in him. Unfortunately he's the only choice left for England, unless of course you want to recall a certain P. Neville to the team...

 

[Fred Elliot]

I was glad to see Beckham injured because it made everyone realise that we don't depend on him and i think he's overrated. We've still got Gerrard.

pathetic

 

[Macca]

eutopia- I didnt say i was glad that Neville was injured i said i was glad he's not going to the WC.

 

[utopia]

eutopia- I didnt say i was glad that Neville was injured i said i was glad he's not going to the WC.

Ok Ok, I get it But stop calling me eutopia Same to you Beechy
As for Carragher and G Neville, the former is better IMO though I don't rate either of them highly Mills should be 1st choice

 

[Yasir]

Hi eutopia :tongue: , everyone...

Well I've voiced my opinion on the EPL forum.. but here I go..

in terms of quality.. between all three players.. I'd gor for Mills, Carra and finally Neville (Gary that is.. Phil is actually out of the whole picture!!).. Some people mentioned Dyer.. but that would be simply a waste of his talent at right back..

I think Neville's only pluses would be experience and his understanding with David beckham.. I for one think and HOPE Becks will be back by the start of the WC.. England simply need him in terms of talent and leadership..

But as for Neville.. I put my self in his shoes.. and to know I'm not going to the WC with only a month and a half to go is heart breaking :depress: I wish him the best... Although I was always amazed as to why he was a started when there has always been much better talent available..

Now.. we only have two players to debate about.. I think it would depend on Sven's strategy.. if he's going for offence (IMO he should do so in the Sweden and Nigeria games).. I'd go for Mills.. he does add more offensively and actually knows how to cross.. As for him being a thug.. well although he hasn't had THOSE many caps.. but he still hasn't been yellow carded and that is a good point.. But if Sven is going for defence.. he should start Carra as he's solid as ever.. and would give more than an option to Sven...

 

[utopia]

Hi eutopia

You too! :wth: :devil: :tongue:

 

[cam]

Firstly, Giggs recovered from the same injury Neville has in 34 days, so don't count him out. Secondly, Mills is a hooligan & I thought the FA were trying discourage them from going, Carragher is crap & Gary Neville is the best right back England have. I mean he isn't all that bad & realistically his injury is showing just how important he can be for club & country.

Actually another name I heard for the England right back slot I heard was Wes Brown, & I'm sure that'll go down well with the Scousers:tongue:

 

[Yasir]

hmmm... so cam.. in summary.. you're saying:

1. Mills shouldn't go cuz he's a thug..
2. Neville might be back and he's the best!!
3. Carra is crap..

Ok I can't say the first point isn't true.. but who said a thug who knows how to play football can't play??!! Argentina have Simeone who's worse than any other footballer around when it comes to manners and he's still a starter cuz he's good..!!

As for the last two points.. well for Neville's sake.. I hope he gets well.. but even he has admitted that it would take a miracle for him to recover in time for the WC..

As for him being the best and Carra being crap.. that's simply a matter of opinion.. nearly every non-Man U supporter (I said NEARLY!!) have all agreed that Neville is crap.. basically, I'd just say take a look at Man U's defence in general and you'd know where we're coming from.. Carragher is good.. not great.. and IMO deserves to be in the team.. he's versatile.. can be used in more than a position or two... and knows how to defend (which is his job after all!!)

So.. my summary is

1. Mills is a thug.. but he should go and start
2. Neville is by no means the best.. but not the worst
3. Carra isn't crap.. but not something exceptional (like Panucci, Cafu or Thuram)... Well he actually hasn't risen to that category yet

 

[cam]

Carra isn't bad but he isn't the sort of player who should be playing for a country supposedly as great as England. If Bowyer, Terry & Woodgate do not get a look in then neither should Mills & Smith, simple as that. Well leave it to Sven, but surely having someone who stands a huge chance of getting sent off is a liability.

The difference between Simone & Mills is that Simone is world class, & should be in the squad regardless.

 

[Yasir]

Sorry Cam but I couldn't disagree more..

Bowyer, Terry and Woodgate were not picked cuz of their OFF THE FIELD incidents that have marred their reputation.. especially since the person who was attack by the Leeds duo was Asian.. and England are gonna be playing at.... East Asia!! So their ommition from the NT is no where similar to whether to pick Mills or not..

As for Mills and Carra.. maybe they aren't world class.. but they are the best England have at that right back position.. (even with Neville available IMO)... sometimes you have to go for the best even if they aren't as classy as the big guns!!

Simeone is excellent.. but Argentina have such a quality squad that they can select 3 players in the same position with the same quality or better than Simeone AND with a better disciplinary record...

 

[Jern Lizardhous]

Hargreaves can do a job here maybe he is out of position but he wouldn't launch brainless hopeful balls like Mills and Carragher specialise in

 

[Yasir]

You are correct.. but he wouldn't be able to defend like they always do either Remember, these are defenders.. their main objective is to prevent attacks much more than creating goals!!

 

[cam]

With Bowyer & Terry at least, you are unlikely to lose them for games because of stupid red cards such as Mills will almost guarantee.

Now I don't actually think Terry should go, his off-field problems don't bother me, they shouldn't be taken into consideration, but he is just too inexperienced for the side. And Yasir, to imply that Mills & Carra are better than a fit Neville is laughable. Mills is almost as good, but the recent fiasco has shown how hard it is going to be for England to replace him. And the media all thought the left back role was the difficult area, with Cole, Bridge & Chris Powell all capable of going:dielaugh:

Oh well, I don't want to hi-jack your thread

 

[lskydiver]

The left back spot is now stronger than the right back one. I bet no-one thought that would happen.

 

[Yasir]

cam,

Well if you find it laughable.. nearly everyone else thinks it's true.. Every one used to wonder why Schmeical used to scream his head off at Neville.. well we learnt why.. cuz he played like Sh!t!!

Cam, it's simply a differance of opinions!! you think Neville is better.. I clearly don't!!

As for Terry.. well yes I agree that even without his off the field incidents.. I wouldn't would have wanted to see him in the final 23 players.. for the same reason.. as for Bowyer.. same type of "thug" player.. they both get red cards!! But then again Mills hasn't received a yellow card YET for England...!!