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today it was the second round of regional election, the left party won 20/22 of regions in france metropole.
it's a big sanction to the right party actually in the power.
it's a big hope for the presidential of 2007 (in my own opinion of course;))
 

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i see you do have no idea on what is the mess since the right party is at the power here.
i never seen a such mess, hello the strikes and the regression:eek:
 

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And once the left wing party takes power, they will either have to continue doing whatever the current government is, or they will let France quash and crumble under the load of social and public costs it cannot possibly afford to pay.
 

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you know andrija, a party who let free hands to the big bosses is not really a party which got my vote.
i don't say that some reforms shouldn't be done, but there is a way to do it!
right party came at the power for security reasons, our economical situation has been not that bad under the socialists, i think we do have the dumbest right party on the planet.
 

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The BBC said that in France, for example 55% of the actual cost of a train ticket is subsidised, whereas the customer only pays for 45% of it. From what I get the government wants to get rid of such things, which are plainly ridicilous. Correct me if I'm wrong...
 

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well i didn't know that
but the price should stay at this level, otherwise it won't help people take the public transports which could be the worst thing.
btw, the economic situation has hardly nothing to do with the politics of the left or right party; at least on a short term basis
 

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andrija, it's difficult for me to explain what the actual government is doing because my english.
i think geert will certainly give his opinion (as he is very well aware about social stuffs).

apparently, the prim minister will be kicked out. the right party do have to change their politics. because we are not lambs, we will not support this situation more long.
 

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If the right party is considered extremly anti american, what is the left party?:D

Anyway, what about the George bush of France (Le Pen), how is he doing?

I hope the french socialists win without knowing very much about their politics, I just like the idea of socialism and consider myself a socialist.

Also wonder, if the social party in England is war loving friends to George Bush, what are the right parties?:)
 

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well, the right french party is not anti-american, quite the opposite. for example sarkozi who is the minister of domestic affairs is a fan of american police way (quite scarry:D).

well, the problem between france and USA and bush in particular, it's the way they treated their allies. it's difficult to a gaullist like chirac to hear "you are either with us or against us", or "france and germany are the old europe". very undiplomatic when you know that republican party in france is the most "balled" of all of the parties.
as for your link between bush administration and le pen, you are almost right! they share a lot of "values".
 

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Unrealistic and stupid? Scandinavia have praticaly only been ruled by socialists and today I consider them a model for the rest of the world. Europe was saved from becoming another USA thanx to the socialists. Of course the right parties are also needed to create a balance, in the US you only have 2 right parties which creates teh social problems you see in the US today.
 

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If Le pen would be president of France US and France would probably become best friends again.:D I am sure Le pen would be glad to help Bush kill arabs or whatever other less valued people there are to start war against, don't you think?
 

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tri, you are right, it is dependent on the nation. I have no idea what kind of financial and social situation Sweden was in, so I cant comment on that.

but isn't the crime rate really high in Scandinavia ? One of the things that socialist parties usually overlook.

not sure of the history there.

socialist parties spend a lot of money, and in bad ways usually, into social programs that are a waste, high taxes, etc. And things like crime are never looked after.
 

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No, criminality is extremly low in scandinavia. I was in Oslo myself and I have never seen any other big city without any sign of poverty, ghettos or wahtever. It was almost too perfect living conditions, everything was so modern, everything was free (at least for the norweigans and everyone had alot of money.

Besides that Norway and otehr scandinavian countries give more money per capita to development in poor countries than any other states.
 

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I know the socialists have the best intentions, but they are always so unrealistic and stupid. Poor France.
france has been ruled by socialists during 14 years with a socialist president and also some years as majorité in the parlement.
it was not that bad, i would say it was better.
i just constact that under economical difficulties, the right party is worse than the left. never seen a such bad PIB since we are ruled by the right party.
 

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Another ideology I have found interesting is the green parties. THey belive that the pib should go down, we should consume less and stop working so much, but instead spend more time with our family, of course with less resources. I don't think it is a solution to my country, but rich countries should be focusing in giving their citizens more humanistic conditions and consuming less, so the resources are used in a better way. I like the idea, don't know if it would work in practic, any country with a green party ruling it in the world?
 

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That is very true. If everyone has good living conditions I would think it would be much lower.

I remember though seeing data and Sweden was up there in crime, especially in murders. I could be wrong.

Here in Canada though, we have seen the socialist parties create huge losses for the country/provinces. They have raised personal income taxes, raise taxes on corporations. All this has resulted in corporations leaving Canada, which means less jobs, people being layed off, also people quitting jobs and going on welfare because some much of their tax is going to the govt, so might as well just sit on your ass when someone on welfare is almost getting as much as you are for doing a hard job.

Then they opened up many social programs which cost a lot but were not needed.

basically we went into major debt.

They just gave so many to every area and didn't care about how much they were spending, going in the red very easily.
 

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This is what I found about murders/country from nationmaster:

United States 12,658
France 1051
Canada 489
Denmark 58
Norway 49

Of course countries like Norway have 60 times less the population of the united states, but I think you figure out their numbers are still much lower than the US if you multiply with 60 or whatever. But I see a connection in the amount of socialism and the amount of crime, socialism is the answer against criminality if you ask me.
 
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