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Ranking as of 17 April 2002
Rank: Team: Points:
Apr 02 Rank:
Mar 02 Change
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2 Brazil 787 3 1 3 1
3 Argentina 786 2 -1 2 -1
4 Colombia 731 5 1 5 1
14 Paraguay 678 15 1 13 -1
20 Uruguay 660 22 2 22 2
36 Ecuador 624 37 1 37 1
44 Chile 594 43 -1 39 -5
46 Peru 586 44 -2 43 -3
70 Bolivia 524 70 0 69 -1
83 Venezuela 488 83 0 81 -2

Dont mean to be disrespectful...but Colombia 4th ??? A joke!! :lala:
 

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Colombia has no business being in the top 10. They might push for a top 20 spot but that is it.
 

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fifa has no business making this pathetic ranking
 

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What amazes me is that Colombia moved up to 4th from 5th. When Uruguay won the Copa America we barely even cracked the top 15, now Colombia's in the top 4. How long are those Copa wins going to keep them up there.

I'm glad to see Uruguay crack the top 20 teams, I think its a fair ranking for us.
 

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how is are peru and chile so far ahead of bolivia?
 

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Oh my god!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

This is so shameful, so much envy and bitterness from our south American brothers, shame on you guys, shame on you. :(

Do you think they're giving us this for free?. C'MON WAKE UP!!! WE ARE AMERICAN CHAMPIONS FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

And not just that, how fast did you all forget that we said goodbye to the world cup by punishing Paraguay 4-0 AT DEFENSORES DEL CHACO???!!!!!!! DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING!!!??? And u wanna send us to the bottom of the pit just because Uruguay got the 5th place ahead of us FOR A SINGLE GOAL???!!!. BE REAL!!!!!!!

So please stop being so envious and so disrespectful and concentrate in your own business. So now what?, u wanna put Ecuador in our place just because they made it to the world cup for their first time? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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We dont mean to rag on Colombian football, we do respect it, its just that u cannot justify Colombia being ranked in the top 4.
 

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by that reasoning we should be in the top 20 we did after all beat the mighty champions at home;)
 

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Wow u won the copa america in which my team could have made the 2nd round. You guys were the only good south american team to take a full squad let alone participate :rolleyes: Colombia is top 20 material but the fact is they are not even in the world cup.


6th best team in south america yeh the 4th best team in the world.
Andate a la punta del cerro :tongue:
 

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Re: Oh my god!

megapolemico said:
:eek: :eek: :eek:

This is so shameful, so much envy and bitterness from our south American brothers, shame on you guys, shame on you. :(

Do you think they're giving us this for free?. C'MON WAKE UP!!! WE ARE AMERICAN CHAMPIONS FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

And not just that, how fast did you all forget that we said goodbye to the world cup by punishing Paraguay 4-0 AT DEFENSORES DEL CHACO???!!!!!!! DOESN'T THAT COUNT FOR ANYTHING!!!??? And u wanna send us to the bottom of the pit just because Uruguay got the 5th place ahead of us FOR A SINGLE GOAL???!!!. BE REAL!!!!!!!

So please stop being so envious and so disrespectful and concentrate in your own business. So now what?, u wanna put Ecuador in our place just because they made it to the world cup for their first time? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
This is even funnier than Colombia's Ranking !!!! bahawah !!!!!!!!!!!! :dielaugh::cry::dielaugh::cry::dielaugh::cry:
 

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you know what, I don't give a rat's :ass: about what u guys think.

It just seems so pathetic that the people in this place cannot give an objective comment without showing all their envy and malice towards a sister nation.

Nobody even cared about the rest of the ranking, you just wanted to rant, yap and make fun about us without giving us a fair review. For that type of behavior I just have this :finger: and whenever u guys wanna be objective and willing to listen to other people I'll get back to this. But as long as you keep being disrespectful, inmature and unfair I do not want to be part of this discussion.

I hope you'll learn it, it's never too late. :depress:
 

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Ok go I am willing to listen.

What has Colombia done to be 4th in the world? What has it done against full strength opposition?

Why would managers be sacked from the Colombian national team if they have done such a good job of getting Colombia to 4th place in the world ranking? And last of all do you think that the copa victory was as great as you say? Didnt you notice that teams sent out 3rd string teams and Argentina didnt participate?

Eagerly awaiting answers :tongue:

I'm not saying Colombia haven't done anything but you be objective and agree that they dont deserve the 4th in the world tag.
 

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See. The first thing that you have to understand about this ranking is that it IS TEMPORARY. It is not a historical measure of all the national teams' achievements. If it was that, of course Colombia shouldn't be even among the top 20 and Uruguay would be much much higher because they're 2-times world champions (even tough that was when Tv didn't even exist and -like in the Copa America- not all the possible teams had the chance to compete for it). What this ranking shows are the RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS of the National team?. What was our most recent achievement?, kick paraguayan :ass: at Asuncion. And what has happened in the world of soccer after that? NOTHING but a bunch of friendly games. Plus we're American champions no matter what, remember the ranking is NUMERICAL, it's based on RESULTS and nobody is asking if the teams used X or Y player or if the national association of a certain country IS MANAGED BY A BUNCH OF WUSSIES AND DECIDED TO QUIT AT THE LAST MINUTE LIKE HAPPENED WITH ARGENTINA!!!!!!!. :fero:
So I'f youre that over-anxious to see us fall down don't worry, just wait until the world cup starts and at the end of it we will be at least in number 15, depending on what those below us achieve.

But please, we have enough with this elimination to be also having our neighbours making fun of us :depress: :depress: :depress:
 

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Colombian dude, no offense but why would we risk our team, sending it to that Copa, when there where bomb threats(i'm sgure nothing would have happend), when we have a shot at being WC champions?

Anyway we kicked your behind pretty hard twice in the last WCQ games...
 

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And life goes on.....despite FIFA's screwed-up, senseless Rankinns ..........
I cant wait for May's now . We'll see what blunder they come-up with .. ;)

megapolemico.....chill out. :smileani: take a :glasses: at the Libertadores threads and see how I feel about America de Cali.. ;)
 

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And here's the numerical explanation

EL TIEMPO
Por qué Colombia es cuarta en el escalafón de la Fifa


Los hinchas colombianos tomaron con sorpresa ver a Colombia este mes en el cuarto puesto en el escalafón mundial de la Federación Internacional de Fútbol (Fifa), pese a que no clasificó al Mundial de Corea-Japón y a que no juega ningún partido desde el 14 de noviembre del año pasado. Colombia tiene actualmente 731 puntos.

El escalafón tiene en cuenta los partidos oficiales de los últimos ocho años. Es decir, a Colombia aún le suman los puntos de los mundiales de Estados Unidos y Francia, las tres últimas eliminatorias y las últimas cuatro Copas América. Cuando ganó este último torneo, pasó de 682 a 723 puntos y saltó del puesto 14 al sexto.

En total, el ranking tiene en cuenta los puntos obtenidos por victoria, empate e incluso derrota (depende del rival). También suma puntos por goles anotados, resta por tantos recibidos y otorga un bono de tres puntos si se gana como visitante.

No todos los partidos tienen el mismo valor. El total de puntos obtenidos se multiplica por dos si se consiguen en un Mundial; por 1,75 en una competición continental y por 1,5 en eliminatorias. Es decir, para Colombia (y para todos los equipos) valen más los puntos que ganó en la Copa América.

El rival también da puntos. La Fifa otorga un "factor de fuerza" para cada continente. Por ejemplo, vale más sacarle un punto a un equipo suramericano (se deja intacto) que a uno europeo (hay que multiplicar por 0,98).

Aunque año tras año vayan perdiendo valor, haber ganado la Copa América deja a Colombia muy arriba en el escalafón, así nos toque ver el Mundial por televisión...
 

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Overview Of Basic Priciples and Method of Calculation

1. BACKGROUND AND HISTORY

In August 1993 FIFA, working in co-operation with the Coca-Cola Company, introduced a ranking system for senior national teams. The system makes it possible to publish comparisons of the relative strengths of internationally active teams at regular intervals.

Since its introduction, the FIFA/Coca-Cola Ranking has proved to be a reliable measure for comparing national A-teams. Over the years, some of the details of the ranking process have proved to be in need of improvement, and appropriate revised versions were put into effect at the beginning of 1999.

The following is an overview of the revised basis on which the ranking is calculated. By providing explanations of the various criteria involved and some concrete examples, it is hoped that it will be easier in future to understand and interpret the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking List.

2. OVERVIEW

The FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking includes the national A-teams of all FIFA member associations who play international matches. Not included in the calculation are matches played by junior teams or other representative national sides (such as the women's national team).

Taken into consideration for the ranking are all international-A match results over a time span of the last eight years:


World Cup finals matches
World Cup preliminary matches
Continental championship final matches
Continental championship preliminary matches
FIFA Confederations Cup matches
Friendly matches
The ranking list is produced by a computer program which assigns a team points for every match, according to clearly defined criteria. The factors taken into consideration are:


Winning, drawing and losing
Number of goals
Home or away match
Importance of the match (multiplication factor)
Strenght of the opponent
Regional strength (multiplication factor)
3. BASIC CALCULATION PRINCIPLES
AND SOME EXAMPLES

The basic idea behind the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Rankings is the same as that for a normal championship: a team can win a certain number of points for each match, depending on the results, and the points are totalled. The association with the highest total is at the top of the ranking list.

But by contrast to normal league championships, for the World Ranking a team's points for a match do not depend solely on whether they win, lose or draw. Also affecting the total for a match will be the number of goals scored and conceded, the venue and the importance of the match. In addition, the strength of the opponent is considered, so that a win over a weakly rated opponent will earn fewer points than one against a strongly rated one. This means that a win will not simply bring two or three points and a draw one, as would happen in a national league. The calculation is more complicated since it incorporates the factors mentioned above.

To make the ranking list more understandable, the 1999 revision has been "scaled up". Previously, a win could earn between one and three points; now the scale has been multiplied by ten, so a win can bring between ten and thirty points, according to the opponent. The overall totals of teams in the list will from now on range from 0 up to about 800 points.

The following sections give details of the individual weighting criteria, and the results of applying these principles can be seen in some examples in Section 4.

3.1. WINNING, DRAWING OR LOSING

Naturally a win will bring more points than a defeat in any system, but simply giving two or three points for a win, one for a draw and none for a defeat, would not fully meet all the requirements for a reliable world-wide ranking system.

Therefore the distribution of points also takes into consideration the relative strengths of the two teams. In practice this means that a win over a weaker opponent will earn fewer points than victory over an equally rated or stronger one. It is also possible for a weak team that puts up a good show against a stronger one to earn points in defeat - though as a general rule not as many as the stronger team that beat them. (see example in Section 4).

A special exception is made for matches that are decided on penalties; the winning team earns the full number of points for a win, while the losing team gets the number of points that would have been awarded for a draw.

3.2 NUMBER OF GOALS

A further factor taken into consideration is the number of goals scored and conceded in a match. Here too the distribution of these points depends on the relative strengths of the two teams. In other words, a goal scored by the lower-rated team will be weighted more than one scored by the higher-rated side. On the other side of the balance sheet, points are deducted for goals conceded. To encourage attacking football with more goals, goals conceded are weighted less than goals scored. In matches decided on penalties, only goals scored during regular playing time or extra time are considered in the calculation.

A possible "overweighting" of goals is avoided by attaching more importance to the first goal that a team scores than to any subsequent ones. On the whole, the number of goals scored can never earn as many points as would be awarded for a win. This is in accordance with the general principle that while more goals may make the result look more impressive, in the final reckoning - as in normal league championships - it is winning or losing that is decisive.

3.3 HOME AND AWAY GAMES

To make an allowance for the extra handicap of playing away from home, the away-team is awarded a small bonus of 3 points. For games played on neutral territory or during World Cup final rounds there are no such bonus points.

3.4 STATUS OF A MATCH

The importance of a game is also considered - a World Cup encounter is weighted more heavily than a friendly match. The method applied here is to use a pre-calculated factor by which the points totals of a given match are multiplied.

The factors used are:

Friendly match x 1.00
Continental championship preliminary x 1.50
FIFA/Confederations' Cup match x 1.50
World Cup preliminary match x 1.50
Continental championship finals match x 1.75
World Cup finals match x 2.00


This means that qualifying matches are weighted 50% higher than friendlies, continental final round matches 75 % higher and matches during World Cup finals twice as much.

3.5 REGIONAL STRENGTH FACTORS

It is accepted that there are differences in strength between the various continents. To take these into account in an objective manner, weighting factors are worked out each year for each of the confederations. The basis of evaluation for each continent is the performance of its teams in direct intercontinental encounters. At the end of every year a continental ranking list is calculated, based on the same criteria as used for the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking.

Taken into consideration are not all the intercontinental matches played by teams from a given continent, but only the direct confrontations between the strongest teams from each continent. Specifically this means that what is included are matches between the best 25 per cent of the teams from a given continent (with a minimum of 5 teams being considered). This way the danger is averted of errors possibly being introduced by considering matches between strong teams of a weak confederation against weak teams of a strong one.

The weightings are applied in the form of multiplication factors for teams from the same continent (see below). If teams from two different confederations are involved then the factor applied is the average of the two continental weightings.

For 1999, the following weighting factors will apply:

UEFA x 1.00
CONMEBOL x 1.00
AFC x 0.90
CONCACAF x 0.86
CAF x 0.84
OFC x 0.84


3.6 SUMMARY

Based on the above considerations, the total number of points credited to a team after a match will depend on the following criteria:


Points for winning, drawing or losing
Plus the points for goals scored in this game
Minus points for the goals conceded
Plus a bonus for the away team
Multiplied by the appropriate factor for the status of the match
Multiplied by the appropriate factor for regional strength
The number of points for a win, draw or loss, as well as for the number of goals scored or conceded is dependent on the strength of the opponent. In order not to punish a lack of success too severely, a negative points total is rounded up to 0.00.

4. EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL CALCULATIONS

Some actual examples should help to make the methods of calculation clear. In this instance it is assumed that three teams of different strengths are involved in a small friendly tournament on neutral territory. For the sake of clarity no away team bonus, nor continental or status multiplication factors are applied.

Before the tournament the three team have the following points totals:

Team A: 630 points
Team B: 500 points
Team C: 480 points


Thus, team A is by some distance the highest ranked of the three:

The following table shows the points allocations based on three possible outcomes of the match between the strongest team A, and the somewhat weaker team B:

Team A Team B Team A Team B Team A Team B

3 : 1 1 : 3 2 : 2
Win/defeat +17.4 +2.6 -2.6 +22.6 +7.4 +12.6
Goals for Team A +5.4 -3.6 +2.3 -1.6 +4.1 -2.7
Goals for Team B -1.8 +2.7 -4.1 +6.2 -3.1 +4.7
Total +21.0 +1.7 (0.00) +27.2 +8.4 +14.6


From the table it can be seen that in the case of a 3:1 win, team A is allocated a total of 21.0 points. But as the more highly ranked team, the win itself only earns 17.4 of these. The lower-rated team B still earns 1.7 points. Had the "weaker" team B won the match 3:1, they would have received 27.4 points, while the then negative total for team A would have been rounded up to 0.00. For a 2:2 draw, team B would have earned a few points more than A, for being the lower-rated team.

When the difference in strength between the two teams is less, so also will be the difference in points allocation. The following table illustrates how the points would be divided following the same results as above, but with two roughly equally ranked teams, B and C, being involved:

Team B Team C Team B Team C Team B Team C

3 : 1 1 : 3 2 : 2
Win/defeat +19.6 +0.4 -0.4 +20.4 +9.6 +10.4
Goals for Team B +5.7 -3.8 +2.5 -1.7 +4.3 -2.9
Goals for Team C -1.7 +2.5 -3.9 +5.8 -3.0 +4.4
Total +23.6 (0.00) (0.00) +24.5 +10.9 +11.9


In this case, it can be seen that for either team, approximately the same number of points would be awarded for a win or a draw, with team C getting slightly more since they are ranked a little lower.

There would normally be a bonus for the away team, which would be added to the above. Then the total would be multiplied by weighting factors that take into account the importance of the match and the regional strengths. Thus, for example, if the games above had been played during a World Cup final round, then the points total would first be doubled, and then multiplied by the continental weighting factor for the two teams involved.

5. FURTHER CRITERIA

To obtain a greater degree of objectivity in the ranking list, two further criteria have to be considered:


The number of matches a team plays within a given period of time
The importance to be attached to results from previous years.
5.1 THE NUMBER OF MATCHES PLAYED

So that teams playing more international matches are not favoured over those playing fewer, only a limited number of games are taken into consideration. This number has been determined by deciding on what could be termed the "averagely active teams", and these were agreed on as those having played between seven and ten matches per year.

So that less active teams are not disadvantaged in the ranking, the calculation initially considers only the seven best results. Further results are included, by working out an average for them.

The situation is best clarified by means of an example. Suppose a team plays twelve matches; then the calculation would run like this:


The best seven of the 12 results are identified
The total score for these seven matches is calculated (X)
The total score for all 12 matches is calculated
This total is divided by 12 and multiplied by seven (Y)
The total for the seven best results is added to the seven "average" results (X+Y)
This total (X+Y) is divided by two for the final score
5.2 PREVIOUS RESULTS

So that the ranking accurately reflects current form, the greatest importance is attached to matches played in the last twelve months. But attention is also paid to results from previous years. Basically, the current year's points total is averaged in with points earned in the seven preceding years, with weightings that decline progressively the further back we go. After eight years, results are dropped from the calculation altogether.

Thus the points included in the calculations for the ranking at the end of 1998 would comprise the following:

Last 12 months (e.g. 1998) : 8/8 value
+ previous year (1997) : 7/8 value
+ previous year (1996) : 6/8 value
+ previous year (1995) : 5/8 value
+ previous year (1994) : 4/8 value
+ previous year (1993) : 3/8 value
+ previous year (1992) : 2/8 value
+ previous year (1991) : 1/8 value


6. AWARDS

The team topping the final ranking list of the year is designated 'Team of the Year'.

The award for the "Best Mover of the Year" in the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking is not based simply on the biggest jump in the number of points or in the number of places up the ranking ladder. What also has to be taken into consideration is the fact that it becomes progressively harder for a team to earn points the more it already has.

Thus to decide on the " Best Mover of the Year " a calculation is performed that multiplies the number of points a team has at the end of the year [x] by the number it has earned during the year [y]. The team with the highest index obtained in this way wins the award.

The table below shows the calculation for the year 1994.

Team Points at end
of 1994
(x) Points won
in 1994
(y) Total (x * y)
Croatia 30.39 21.86 664.41
Brazil 67.18 8.46 568.23
Uzbekistan 23.51 23.51 552.86
South Africa 32.19 17.16 552.58
Bulgaria 53.53 9.50 508.32


Note: Since the points totals in the revised 1999 calculations have gone up by a factor of ten, the index values here will go up correspondingly too.

7. THE COMPUTER PROGRAM

The program for calculating and up-dating the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking was developed for FIFA by two specialists, Dr. Markus Lamprecht and Dr. Hanspeter Stamm. The development of the program (including the 1999 revisions) was carried out in close co-operation with football experts, and the Communications and Competitions Divisions of FIFA.

Now this really confuses even Blatter !!!! ;)
 
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