Well I never said Holland would win did I? Fact is though that Holland would be all over you like Ronaldo on cake. BTW, Holand DID break down your defence sevreal times, just failed to capitilize.im sure that the worst thing about it for you kiyan, is that hopeless feeling. its watching our opposition have a good deal of the possession but just not being able to break us down. thats what winners are made of kiyan, maybe one day your adopted nation will learn what it takes...or maybe theyll just keep losing.
On paper, paper is paper. What else do you want me to say? France is only better than us in that departement, that's why we are underacheivers and not overachievers.. Because with this squad we should be winning.on what paper? a placemat at mcdonalds?
:howler: Kiyan, smtms you are so funy ...
No, but that's not really a great argument is it? What fans enjoy, and what most teams mentalities are to attack. Positive football is what we play. You guys play defensive football, dirty football basically whatever it takes no matter how many people you are putting to sleep. Which is 2 different styles and cultures of football. There's nothing wrong with that, only that one is nice to watch and the other is not so nice to watch.Luigi Vampa said:ah kiyan, gotta love that naivete. when spain is getting ready for a game and the players are in the dressing room, what does the coach say to them? what do they say to each other? "lets go out and entertain!" is that what they say? assuming you answer no, we can conclude that spain plays to win. so the goal of any team is to win and the attractiveness of the game is just a by-product. since teams play to win, theres no reason to pat yourself on the back because you play an 'attractive' style of game. thats not the intention so theres no reason to brag about it.
so in reality, youre not criticizing italy for being boring, youre criticizing us for being effective. you just dont realize it. it makes you feel better about your own short comings.
i dont think you know the meaning of underachieve. being an underachiever doesnt mean you have the 'second best team on paper.' it only means your results dont match your quality.
Italy plays to win?Luigi Vampa said:since teams play to win, theres no reason to pat yourself on the back because you play an 'attractive' style of game. thats not the intention so theres no reason to brag about it.
3 wcs :star: :star: :star: The last of which in your adopted nation..Kiyan said:Italy plays to win?
Kiyan said:Again, against Holland you did not play well, and you weren't effective. It was Holland that failed to put you away with their chances, not you that shut down Holland.
You're right, playing entertaining football doesn't win trophies, unfortunately for the rest of the football world we have to experience Italy and Germany continue to bore us to death.