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Credit where credit is due: this is a decent squad. Prosinecki has correctly called up Luka Menalo – who is ripping up the Slovenian league in marvellous fashion – but the most important inclusion is that of deep-lying midfielder Haris Hajradinovic, because it is he who could spell the end of Elvis Saric's time as a BiH national team starter.

Rijad Bajic is finally given the boot, as are Ervin Zukanovic (lack of minutes at club level) and, more regrettably, Stjepan Loncar. Personally I would have much preferred Loncar on the roster to Saric, but there you go.

As for Zvonimir Kozulj, Aldin Turkes and Hamza Catakovic, it looks like they are going to have to get significant transfers to get noticed by the BiH national team coach (in the case of Turkes, maybe a promotion will be enough).
 

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Game day, and some updates to report:

•Sunjic, Gojak and now Menalo are out injured. Memisevic has been called up to replace Sunjic.

•The BiH starting eleven has been announced: Sehic; Kvrzic, Kovacevic, Bicakcic, Kolasinac; Pjanic, Besic, Cimirot, Krunic; Visca, Dzeko
 

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HT: BiH 0-2 Italy.

This scoreline is deceptive: Bosnia have actually played very well and been the better side, but an outstanding team goal from Italy and a series of errors and misfortunes in one other Italian attack means that the visitors go into the break two goals clear.

At the other end, Besic saw an effort cleared in front of the Italian goal line, while Donnarumma has produced brilliant saves to deny Cimirot and Kovacevic – he has been by far the busier goalkeeper.

In terms of individual performances, the standout player on either side has been Krunic: creative, intelligent, skilful and so nearly a scorer or assister himself. Cimirot has also looked the part.

If BiH can just upgrade the centre of their back line – Dilaver, Arslanagic and Begic come to mind – then they could really go places.

The obvious danger for the second half is that in chasing the game, Bosnia look vulnerable on the counterattack.
 

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FT: BiH 0-3 Italy.

The second half was a much flatter occasion. Although Belotti netted a rare long-range goal on an Italian counterattack within ten minutes of the restart, Bosnia did not crumble and continued to pose a threat. However, Italy's world-class back-line almost always managed to get in a block or touch at the vital moment; when BiH did get in behind them, Dzeko and substitute Hodzic blasted over.

Another substitute – Saric – got booed on his introduction, suggesting that his unpopularity is not confined to this forum.

Pjanic went off injured; mystifyingly, his replacement was not Hajradinovic or Hajrovic, but Jajalo.

On a tactical note, Bosnia are now getting much more joy in wide areas. That said, either one of Pjanic, Cimirot or Besic needs to be stationed further up-field, or Visca/Hajrovic needs to play more centrally.
 

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FT: Liechtenstein 0-3 Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Prosinecki put out an almost totally second-string side, but they played very well and could easily have won by double the eventual three-goal margin. The leitmotiv, and not for the first time in this campaign: an enormous number of missed chances. Debutante Hajradinovic blazed over from a great position in the first half; fellow debutante Hotic did the same as a second-half substitute; Dzeko, on as a late sub, could have helped himself to a hat-trick. Liechenstein goalkeeper Buchel – who had a fine night – made outstanding saves from the brace-netting Hodzic, but could do nothing to stop Civic's excellent finish for the opening goal.
 

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We are not going to the Euros, we have to play NIR in the first leg and then int he second leg have to play the winner of Slovakia/Rep. of Ireland. Can't see this team getting through that second leg at all
 

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Of course we are not going to the Euros, anyone who thinks that we are is either lying to themselves or hasn't learned anything from past qualifying campaigns, our loser mentality and the fact that players continuously treat national team meetings, preparations, games like a holiday break and get away with it (Lulic admitted as much a few years ago). You could put this team against Andorra in a semi-final playoff and then San Marino in a final playoff and I still wouldn't trust them to win both games. I wouldn't have trusted them to win 2 playoff games in 2013, I would trust them to do so even less today let alone now against Northern Ireland who is exactly the kind of team that could come out with a 1-1 draw which means game over. And if by some chance they do beat Northern Ireland, no way are they overcoming either Slovakia or Ireland in the final. They had a fantastic chance to beat Ireland in 2015 and choked completely.

Prosinecki has finally been let go after months of negotiations and speculations. The FA once again demonstrated their complete amateurism by not accepting his resignation in September when he was brave enough to offer it. Now they have less than 4 months to find a suitable replacement who has to have the courage to say thank you, farewell to some players that have been terrible for far too long otherwise it will be wash, rinse and repeat all over again i tako u nedogled.
 

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Candidates to replace Robert Prosinecki include the following:

Felix Magath, Sven-Goran Eriksson, Clarence Seedorf, Veljko Paunovic, Miroslav Blazevic, Amar Osim, Safet Susic, Mladen Krstajic, Slavoljub Muslin

Some excellent names in there. Blazevic appears to be the fans' choice – his was certainly the name being chanted during the BiH-Italy game – though age may be against him. The dynamic young option is Paunovic, who led Serbia U-20 to their 2015 world title; meanwhile, for pure box-office appeal, Eriksson is hard to beat.
 

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Some brief reflections on Prosinecki's reign: it's hard not to feel sorry for him. He was dealt a horrible card in the form of Vranjes' meltdown, and his team consistently enjoyed absolutely dreadful luck. However, his lack of scouting prowess and mystifying championing of Elvis Saric over the likes of Rade Krunic, Sanjin Prcic, Zvonimir Kozulj, Mario Vrancic and Izet Hajrovic meant that Prosinecki always needlessly left himself open to criticism.

His legacy is to take BiH into the elite tier of European football while seeing them plunge down the FIFA rankings 🔀

I for one would not mind seeing him back in a few years' time (when Saric has safely retired) if he can just iron out the creases; he does have the makings of an excellent coach.
 

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I really don't understand what you see in Prosinecki and what makes you think he could be an excellent coach let alone a good national team coach. His tactical awareness, substitutions (especially with regards to being able to adapt and cope with changing and evolving situations during a game) and formations were laughable and at times made Susic look like Pep Guardiola in his prime. His best success as a coach was winning the Serbian SuperCup with Partizan once, other than that nothing worth mentioning. In any half-serious country, this would not be considered nearly enough to manage the national team but because the choice was either him or Amar Osim (which says a lot about the state of our football), the FA went for the least worst option possible which was still a terrible choice.

There was no "absolutely dreadful luck" in losing away to Finland, Armenia and Greece in the way that this team did it, They broke so many negative records over the past year or so that I would run out of fingers if I had to count them all. The current group of players along with the FA and both Bazdarevic and Prosinecki in just a few years completely destroyed the legacy of 2014 and took us back to pre 2002 levels when the likes of Estonia, Lithuania and the Faroe Islands were bossing us around. Everything was pure amateurism at unprecedented levels. If anything, this team had a huge amount of luck like no squad before especially in the early stages during the Nations League. They arguably should have lost at least 4-2 to Northern Ireland in Belfast, against Austria in Zenica they scored a goal and won the game 1-0 with their only shot on target for 90 minutes and they were incredibly lucky not to lose to Northern Ireland at home too when the Northern Irish hit the post 3 times. I'm not sure we have been watching the same team lately..
 

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I really don't understand what you see in Prosinecki and what makes you think he could be an excellent coach let alone a good national team coach. His tactical awareness, substitutions (especially with regards to being able to adapt and cope with changing and evolving situations during a game) and formations were laughable and at times made Susic look like Pep Guardiola in his prime. His best success as a coach was winning the Serbian SuperCup with Partizan once, other than that nothing worth mentioning. In any half-serious country, this would not be considered nearly enough to manage the national team but because the choice was either him or Amar Osim (which says a lot about the state of our football), the FA went for the least worst option possible which was still a terrible choice.

There was no "absolutely dreadful luck" in losing away to Finland, Armenia and Greece in the way that this team did it, They broke so many negative records over the past year or so that I would run out of fingers if I had to count them all. The current group of players along with the FA and both Bazdarevic and Prosinecki in just a few years completely destroyed the legacy of 2014 and took us back to pre 2002 levels when the likes of Estonia, Lithuania and the Faroe Islands were bossing us around. Everything was pure amateurism at unprecedented levels. If anything, this team had a huge amount of luck like no squad before especially in the early stages during the Nations League. They arguably should have lost at least 4-2 to Northern Ireland in Belfast, against Austria in Zenica they scored a goal and won the game 1-0 with their only shot on target for 90 minutes and they were incredibly lucky not to lose to Northern Ireland at home too when the Northern Irish hit the post 3 times. I'm not sure we have been watching the same team lately..
There is a lot of truth in what you say, but from a manager's perspective I can see why Prosinecki felt his team was hard done by. In practically every Euro 2020 qualifier, something bad and unscripted happened:

R1 Bosnia are 2-0 up against Armenia when Milosevic handles in the penalty area under virtually no pressure. Armenia score the resulting spot-kick.

R2 BiH are 2-0 up – again – when Bicakcic and Sunjic conspire to concede a penalty. Moments later, Pjanic is red-carded for a tackle which many referees might not even have shown a yellow for. Greece celebrate the eventual 2-2 equaliser like it was inconceivable for them to come away with a point.

R3 At 0-0 early in the second half in Tampere, Duljevic somehow misses the best chance of the entire match, in the background of BiH having been the better side up to that point. If he scores, BiH should get the three points; as it is, Finland break twice on Bosnia to win 2-0.

R4 BiH are the better team against Italy and deserve to win, but at 0-1, Gojak misses a straightforward header. Insigne then scores a world-class, 1/500 volley direct from a corner; at 1-1, Visca blocks Dzeko's goal-bound shot in front of the line. The Italian goalkeeper is by far the busier one.

R5 BiH 5-0 Liechtenstein. At 1-0 in the first half, Dzeko inexplicably hits the post rather than scoring, condemning BiH to a nervy second period.

R6 At 0-0, Dzeko again hits the post when it seems easier to score; Armenia go up the other end and score immediately. Mkhitaryan has the national team game of his life and makes Armenia tick like Brazil. Even then, at 2-2, Dzeko is denied a stonewall penalty when he is brought down by the goalkeeper, who should have been sent off. Loncar then caps the afternoon by scoring an own-goal with the outside of his boot. It is at this point when Prosinecki threw in the towel.

R7 Bosnia 4-1 Finland. This is the only game when Bosnia enjoy a bit of luck – a soft-ish penalty at 1-0. Even then, on the balance of play the score should have been 5-1 or even 6-1.

R8 With Mkhitaryan now injured, Finland roll over Armenia 3-0, giving BiH little to hope for against Greece. They play badly and deserve to lose, but the Greeks still need a huge slice of luck in the form of an 88th minute own-goal to get the three points. Again, a team chooses to play their best display of the entire qualifiers by a mile against Bosnia.

R9 At home to Italy, an even game is decided by three outstanding Italian goals – normally, you may expect one, not three.

R10 Finally, away to Liechtenstein, Bosnia rain over 30 shots down on the home team's goal and play some beautiful football; a 0-3 win is scant reward for such a display, with Dzeko again missing at least three glaring chances in the last few minutes.
 

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I don't buy the bad luck excuse, it's a record that has been overplayed since at least 2003 when it comes to the national team and nothing has changed for the better since. Not converting your chances is not bad luck, neither is handling the ball or getting a red card all of which could have easily be avoided if this team didn't act on sheer stupidity, had the right preparation and the right mentality.

In most of those matches, they should have sealed the game by halftime and should have converted numerous easy chances before the other team started to turn things around. Bosnian national team players are specialists at allowing a weaker team a great chance to get back into a game or allowing off-form teams to get back to form against them. That's not bad luck, it's a lack of preparation, a lack of finishing and a poor understanding of how football works. If managerial stings were decided by "bad luck" then Susic should still be the coach solely based on the fact that against Cyprus in 2014 Pjanic failed to convert a penalty kick which would have made it 2-2 and in Israel at 0-0 Lulic missed an open net. Football doesn't work like that and Prosinecki turned out to be a terrible choice much like Bazdarevic. Furthermore and more importantly, not a single coach since Susic and even him has managed to establish some much needed discipline which includes kicking out or sidelining some players. The team qualified for the World Cup in 2014 solely based on talent and key players being in the form of their lives at key moments but if that qualifying campaign had to be decided on discipline and preparation, we would still to this day be wondering what playing at a World Cup feels like. It's unacceptable that for years players have been treating the national team like a vacation colony and have constantly been getting away with it because coaches, fans, some media and other players cover up and make excuses for them. With the talent that the team had at some point, we should have qualified for at least 4 major tournaments and Medunjanin said as much recently. Now it's all wasted and we'll be lucky if we even make it to another playoff in the next 10 years the way things are going.
 

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Prosinecki was an awful coach

He tried to instil discipline into the squad with his false bravado and not calling up certain players but he was about as useful in that as a bad electrician trying to re-wire your house.

Nothing speaks more about Prosinecki's tenure as coach like blatantly ignoring Hajrovic at the start of the 18-19 season when he was in hot form for Dinamo Zagreb and then calling him up a year later when he was relegated to the subs bench and when BiH NT really were struggling and ran out of options after that embarrassing loss in Armenia.

Doubling down like that just goes to show that Robi had no clue and was insecure about his squad selection. He is not made to be a national team coach or a good coach with that mindset. Not only that he was terrible at improvising during matches and never really instilled any tactical discipline or style with our NT. What style even suits our NT and did Robi ever managed to get us playing to our strengths? I remember that first game against NI in Belfast and after about 30 seconds in we were already hurringly back-passing to Sehic. The first warning signs for me and low and behold we are in this shit positon.
 

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Anyway, looking to the future now, Bajevic is rumoured to be our next NT coach and will get a contract that could last until July (if we qualify for Euro 2020 that is)
 

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You did indeed predict early on that the Prosinecki tenure would be a disaster and I give you credit for that. ^^

If the FA do indeed successfully bring a name like Bajevic to coach the team, it seems unfair to give the guy a contract just until next summer depending on what happens in the playoffs when far weaker coaches in so-called emergency situations were given much longer contracts. If we don't qualify for the Euros, it will hardly be his fault although I will say the fact that he hasn't coached a team since 2012 and hasn't done much worthy of mention in Greece as a coach since like 2005 is worrying me.
 

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Dusan Bajevic gets the nod over Mladen Krstajic, and will be BiH manager until at least the end of Euro 2020.

Bajevic is a hugely-decorated coach – the first since Miroslav Blazevic to take charge of Bosnia and Herzegovina – so let's see what he can do at international level.
 

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Bajevic was the best realistic choice we had. Even though he seems old and jaded. I doubt he will stay on after Euro 2020 even if we happen to qualify.

First task should be to bring back Lulic
 

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some good news

Adnan Custovic will be assistant manager (probably the most qualified one we have ever had)

Emir Spahic. Slaven Musa and Jeleskovic (widelly acknowledged to be the best fitness coach in BiH) have joined the coaching staff of the NT

Probably our best coaching team ever.
 

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I'm more concerned that Bajevic's main priority right now for some odd inexplicable reason seems to be to bring back someone like Ognjen Vranjes to the national team. Why??? Shouldn't Bajevic be fully focused on preparing the games first and foremost? This is truly off to a flying start...
 
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