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hopefully not
Why not? Seems to me a stagnating Brazil needs exactly this type of movement to educate people and help rectify the failures of decades of socialist misery..
 

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Wow, just when you say that leftist radicals are cry-bully authoritarians who want to quash speech that doesn't agree with official leftist dogma, they go and prove exactly your point. :yess:
 

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Ero, do not post the samething that was removed from this thread again. You are not going to hijack this thread with your non-sense. If you insist, you are going to just give me a reason to block you from this forum. But do not worry, you are not going to be missed, any sheep can bawl like you do.
I asked sanyi an honest question, Brazil certainly is stagnating, it has a dismal economic freedom score, it's rife corruption which is what you expect thanks to socialist policies. A liberal movement is sorely needed looking at the results, people need to be educated and be exposed to different perspectives on economic issues and society as a whole. This is why a liberal movement should be welcomed, especially by the "tolerant" left.

If you disagree, how about you argue your point instead of resorting to deleting uncomfortable questions like the radical authoritarian you seem to be?

Your brownshirt tactics are noted though. You sure you're not upset that I called you on your "everyone that disagrees with me is a fascist" bullshit Cam? Aww, diddums :D
 

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Why not? Seems to me a stagnating Brazil needs exactly this type of movement to educate people and help rectify the failures of decades of socialist misery..
the people in that vid don't look like a type I want to be educated of about anything. masses protesting on the street are always scary. sheep following one ideology or protesting against another. always ends up in violence. not my cup of tea.
 

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the people in that vid don't look like a type I want to be educated of about anything. masses protesting on the street are always scary. sheep following one ideology or protesting against another. always ends up in violence. not my cup of tea.
Don't agree, protesting the establishment and exercising your natural right to assemble is a core western value. Besides, libertarians want to leave you alone and are inherently non violent, their whole philosophy is built on the NAP.
 

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Don't agree, protesting the establishment and exercising your natural right to assemble is a core western value. Besides, libertarians want to leave you alone and are inherently non violent, their whole philosophy is built on the NAP.
problem is, the establishment here is still the military and their fans, that’s what they are protesting FOR not AGAINST, also that they demand less Marx which is nonsense given Brazil‘s circumstances, can‘t see them in any way leaving you alone or being non-violent
 

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problem is, the establishment here is still the military and their fans, that’s what they are protesting FOR not AGAINST, also that they demand less Marx which is nonsense given Brazil‘s circumstances, can‘t see them in any way leaving you alone or being non-violent
Which circumstances?
 

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that in 1964 the military took the power violently and of course with the USA‘s help after Goulart wanted to try some cautious reforms in order to fight analphabetism and complete poverty in the northeast, of course they called him a Marxist but he was of course far from an Allende or something, and those generals are still somehow in charge behind the curtains along with the oligarchs supporting them

those „Libertarians“ in your vid are on the same track, because Lula is also far away from Marx and co

having said that, the worst part is there is surely hystery on both sides, Hitler here Marx there, especially considering that under Lula‘s presidency Brasil had the best economic records since the 1950s
 

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those „Libertarians“ in your vid are on the same track, because Lula is also far away from Marx and co
Again, how exactly is a self proclaimed socialist movement with clear socialist rhetoric, policies and ideology so far away from socialism? More #fakesocialists sanyi? :facepalm:

Looking at Brazil's economic performance and lack of economic freedom, massive government spending and huge government apparatus, not to mention socialist parties running the economy - "Less Marx, more Mises" is rather a fitting slogan for a movement looking to reduce state intervention and size and scope of government.
 

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You might be missing out on clues that people have fascistic tendencies that are evident short of an endorsement of nazism.
Fascism is an offshoot of socialism, both of these regressive ideologies are founded on forced collectivism, both want more government intervention in people's lives, a controlled economy and suppression of individual rights and liberties in service of the collective. Sister ideologies grounded in forced social engineering, almost identical in theory and in practice.

This is why I find it quite ridiculous that radical leftists who support almost every core tenet of fascism itself, pretend to be fervently anti-fascist. They're nothing of the sort. Just useful idiots for wannabe central planners and social engineers.
 

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This is so idiotic. This was true during 1920s in Italy.
You mean it is true and the founder of fascism agrees.
In real life, fascists and socialists fought bitterly during the whole 20th century, everywhere. They define themselves in opposition
As expected, the revolution always eats their own. They fought for the same geopolitical territory, for the same voter and supporter. Similarly, Trotskyists and Stalinists also fought each other bitterly and imprisoned and liquidated opponents, in your radical leftist bizarro world I guess that means that Trotskyist Marxists and Stalinist Marxists were adherents of opposite ideologies? Sounds to me like idiotic leftist revisionism out of embarrassment that your ideology is almost exactly the same as the ideology you morons pretend to be opposed to. Leftard level 9000. :facepalm:

So as I said, fascism and socialism are sister ideologies, two branches of the same collectivist tree founded upon identical principles of forced social engineering and rampant government oppression of rights and liberties. You can whimper about this all you want proving what a thoroughly indoctrinated useful idiot you are, still doesn't change the facts. :thumbsup:

"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" - Benito Mussolini - former editor of Italy's largest socialist newspaper and the official publication of the Italian Socialist Party.
 

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massive government apparatus wasn‘t installed by Lula, it was there already before him. economic performance was pretty good 2002-2010, which happened to be Lula presidency. one might argue that was just the effects of his predecessors work but you can always do that. Obama does this too.

where are socialist parties (in plural even) running the economy? I am not exactly a fan of PT but they‘re social democrats at best
 

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Fascism is an offshoot of socialism, both of these regressive ideologies are founded on forced collectivism, both want more government intervention in people's lives, a controlled economy and suppression of individual rights and liberties in service of the collective. Sister ideologies grounded in forced social engineering, almost identical in theory and in practice.

This is why I find it quite ridiculous that radical leftists who support almost every core tenet of fascism itself, pretend to be fervently anti-fascist. They're nothing of the sort. Just useful idiots for wannabe central planners and social engineers.
not to forget, both ideologies are anti-semitic to the core

one ideology hates them for supposedly being a rich and powerful race, the other hates them for being supposedly a rich and powerful class

and of course Israel, the #1 trigger for every fascio-socialist
 

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not to forget, both ideologies are anti-semitic to the core

one ideology hates them for supposedly being a rich and powerful race, the other hates them for being supposedly a rich and powerful class

and of course Israel, the #1 trigger for every fascio-socialist
True, those juice have really got the short end when it comes to totalitarian ideologies.
 

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Fascism is an offshoot of socialism, both of these regressive ideologies are founded on forced collectivism, both want more government intervention in people's lives, a controlled economy and suppression of individual rights and liberties in service of the collective. Sister ideologies grounded in forced social engineering, almost identical in theory and in practice.

This is why I find it quite ridiculous that radical leftists who support almost every core tenet of fascism itself, pretend to be fervently anti-fascist. They're nothing of the sort. Just useful idiots for wannabe central planners and social engineers.
this is from wiki:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11]

bold doesn't mean necessarily collective socialism lol
 

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there are plenty of socialist countries in the world? :scared: tell me which ones so I know where not to go because I am not interested in facing racism, censorship, military government, police state, concentration fields for infidels, sterilization of rich people, removal of civil rights and persecution of minorities, or in other words anything socialism stands for

Fascism and Nationalsocialism don‘t derive from Schopenhauer or Nietzsche, but just like their leftist twin counterparts Socialism and Communism, from Hegel and his idea of a state above the individual.

Hitler was about as capitalistic as Kim Jong Un
 
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