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this is a professional article so i'm sure we can get away with it here.

what do you think of Oliver Holt's views, has EPL completely taken over the world ?


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THE PITS OVER HERE, HITS OVER THERE ..THAT'S WHY OUR LEAGUE IS THE CREME DE LA PREM

A NAME I hadn't seen for a while leapt out from the small print of a newspaper yesterday.

I always assumed John Aloisi, once of Portsmouth and Coventry City, had retired years ago.

Aloisi, that rare and unusual thing, an Australian striker, was hardly prolific at the best of times and the Premiership was way beyond him.

In his final season at Highfield Road four years ago, he managed two goals in 17 games. Then they dumped him.


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Yet there he was being mentioned in dispatches from the league some continue to regard as the best in the world, Spain's Primera Liga.


Not only was he still playing but last weekend, Aloisi scored the winner for Osasuna against Atletico Madrid.


That goal apart, he's hardly rattling them in for his current employers either, but the fact they're still giving him house room tells you something.


On the day when Chelsea and Liverpool meet in the semi-finals of the Champions League, it tells you we can do more than just celebrate the might of English club football.


It tells you that we can claim without fear of being contradicted that the Premiership is the best league in the world and that we have left the Primera Liga behind.


We've got Rooney, Ruud and Rio. We've got Henry, Vieira and Sol. We've got Terry, Lampard and Robben.


We've got Gerrard and we've got our own Ronaldo.


Spanish and Italian clubs would kill for them now but they can't afford English wages. We've got the best players in their prime now, not has-beens like Marcel Desailly and Laurent Blanc who came to English football to enjoy their old age.


I can only think of five outstanding players from other leagues who would waltz into top Premiership sides and just one of them, Ronaldinho, plays in Spain.


The others are AC Milan's Andrei Shevchenko, Gianluca Zambrotta and Gianluigi Buffon of Juventus and Bayern Munich's Michael Ballack.


Think about this, too. The same weekend Aloisi was performing heroics for Osasuna, Diego Forlan notched his 18th league goal of the season in 32 games for Villarreal. He is second in the Primera Liga scoring charts only to Barcelona's Samuel Eto'o. That's right. That's the same Forlan who scored 10 goals in 63 Premiership matches for Manchester United.


The same Forlan who came to be regarded as a joke at Old Trafford. My abiding memory of him is seeing him sky a shot about 40 feet over the bar in a Manchester derby.


Most of his goals seemed to be chucked into the net for him by Jerzy Dudek. In Spain, he's El Sharpshooter. Same with Michael Owen. The Primera Liga makes him look even better than the Premiership did. He only has to get off the Real Madrid bench to score.


I saw him play in a dire game for Madrid against Real Zaragoza in January. Off the bench in the 65th minute. Goal in the 85th minute. Easy.


The standard domestically in Spain is not good. Ian Harte is in the Levante first team, for heaven's sake. He was the slowest player in the Premiership three years ago. What he's like now, who can guess?


Giovanni van Bronckhorst couldn't hack it at Arsenal. Now he's going to pick up a championship medal with Barcelona.


Do you want me to go on? Okay, Manuel Almunia was considered an outstanding prospect at Albacete. We all know he's a dodgy keeper.


Jesper Gronkjaer was never really good enough at Chelsea or even Birmingham. Now he's in the Atletico Madrid first team.


Serie A's a more serious rival to the Premiership but don't forget Paolo Di Canio is still in the Lazio first team.


He's good for a nice line in Nazi salutes to the punters in Rome's Olympic Stadium but that's about it.


This week of all weeks and tonight of all nights, we should celebrate what we've got.


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I am sure some Serie A fans and La Liga fans can make a decent counter argument, but has Holt got a point, is the EPL now the top League because of these failures in EPL that made it good in La Liga ? :eekani:
 

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I would argue that the three leagues are different in style, and different players suit different styles of play. One league is not better than another, it just depends on personal opinion and how you like football to be played. Each league is always going to have it's supporters and bashers and in most cases, staunch EPL, Primera Liga or Serie A fans won't let themselves be convinced of the merits of the other leagues.

With respect to La Liga, I think you just have to look at the number of teams fighting for the last two Champions League places to get an indication of the "strength" of the league.
 

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you mean that some players just prefer La Liga's easy going style and so can play better ? that makes sense i suppose :shades:
 

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Very stupid article IMO. Anelka scored 19 goals with Arsenal and sucked in Spain, everybody laughed at Iván Campo here and now he's playing well with Bolton, Luis García is playing much better in Liverpool than in Barcelona or Atlético... and what about Beckham? No comment.

He mentions Aloisi, Harte or Gronkjaer, as if they were Liga stars or something... I guess who wrote this article doesn't watch Spanish football very often.
 

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That is by far the most ridicilous article i have ever read. Complete bias and utter nonsense. Especially with this crap about Harte, Aloisi and Forlan being in La Liga. Did he forget that the EPL has Nunez a player who never ever in his life would make it in Madrid and is now a starter in L'pool or Campo who probably was the biggest joke of La Liga is now a master at the DM position at Bolton or even worse, a 37 year old Hierro (who was a brilliant player in his day mind you) starting at Bolton after being brought from QATAR. I could go on and on but i think i proved my point enough.

That article is LAME.
 

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South_Melbourne said:
Chelsea has lifted the EPL to no.1

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Very stupid article IMO. Anelka scored 19 goals with Arsenal and sucked in Spain, everybody laughed at Iván Campo here and now he's playing well with Bolton, Luis García is playing much better in Liverpool than in Barcelona or Atlético... and what about Beckham? No comment.

He mentions Aloisi, Harte or Gronkjaer, as if they were Liga stars or something... I guess who wrote this article doesn't watch Spanish football very often.
Beckham was playing a similar standard to what he is now than what he was with United.

What about Mutu, Veron and Kezman mate?
 

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That is by far the most ridicilous article i have ever read. Complete bias and utter nonsense. Especially with this crap about Harte, Aloisi and Forlan being in La Liga. Did he forget that the EPL has Nunez a player who never ever in his life would make it in Madrid and is now a starter in L'pool or Campo who probably was the biggest joke of La Liga is now a master at the DM position at Bolton or even worse, a 37 year old Hierro (who was a brilliant player in his day mind you) starting at Bolton after being brought from QATAR. I could go on and on but i think i proved my point enough.

That article is LAME.

Anelka is a mentallist though, he has the talent to succeed anywhere unfortunately he lost the plot in Spain.

Nunez is a reserve when Liverpool has all there players fit, he will not play tonight.

Campo is on the bench at Bolton, Hierro is doing well but he has football talent, i don' think anyone can doubt that.

any more examples ?
 

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Beckham was playing a similar standard to what he is now than what he was with United.
Well, I don't think so. Good to see that you don't say anything about Campo, Anelka or Luis García, that means you agree that they're playing better in England.


What about Mutu, Veron and Kezman mate?
They've never played in Spain, I was just talking about players that have been in Spain and England. Anyways, there are also examples of players that have sucked in Italy and shined in the EPL... Henry, for example?
 

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Nunez starter for Liverpool? lmao he's the worse player on our books, only reason he has figured is because of the injuries we've had.

Garcia was very good for Bacelona before he moved to Liverpool, and he hasn't exactly been setting the Prem on fire, ye he's scored alot of goals often spectacular but he is still very lightweight and gets pushed about easilly, his passing has alot to be desired and he can't score from 10 yards or under, ye 25 yarders no probs.
 

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Jern Lizardhous said:
Anelka is a mentallist though, he has the talent to succeed anywhere unfortunately he lost the plot in Spain.

Nunez is a reserve when Liverpool has all there players fit, he will not play tonight.

Campo is on the bench at Bolton, Hierro is doing well but he has football talent, i don' think anyone can doubt that.

any more examples ?
So? Aloisi RARELY even plays let alone starts for Osasuna, hes 4th in the picking order behind Webo, Morales and Milosevic. Its not like Aloisi is tearing La Liga apart or anything, just because he scored one goal that author of that article went crazy?

Im a keen follower of the EPL and i can tell you that Campo before he got that nasty head injury was a starter week in week out for Bolton and was great at the DM position. In La Liga, he was sadly a joke. As for Hierro, yes he was an amazing footballer but the fact is that he came from Qatar and is playing awesome for Bolton so does that mean the Qatari league is better than the EPL? :rolleyes:
 

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Are you people serious? :googly: :doh: Using this article as a start to a discussion about which league is better? By far the most ridicolous arguments I have ever heard,so unbelieveably lame article.Just wondering if you are taking this serious.I dont care too much about the better league debate,but this must be one of the most biased and shrewd articles I ever read.

Your just playing around as usual,right Jern? ;) (the fact that you said professional article,points to that;)) Please tell me you are :scared:
 

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The whole basis of the article and the argument is quite silly. Judging leagues by how a certain player played in one league versus the other is no way of going at it. Each player is comfortable with or plays better in certain systems and styles and can't use that criteria to judge the overall quality of the league.
 

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Jern Lizardhous said:
what do you think of Oliver Holt's views, has EPL completely taken over the world ?
:yuck:

usual biased material...


I can only think of five outstanding players from other leagues who would waltz into top Premiership sides and just one of them, Ronaldinho, plays in Spain.


The others are AC Milan's Andrei Shevchenko, Gianluca Zambrotta and Gianluigi Buffon of Juventus and Bayern Munich's Michael Ballack.
I can update the list of serie A players, I'll leave to a supporter of Liga the job for the Liga.

Dida, Cafu, Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kakà, Cannavaro, Thuram, Nedved, Ibrahimovic, J.Zanetti, Adriano, Totti, Cassano, Montella and Gilardino for sure.
 

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yeah well scrub Aloisio, maybe the writer shoudln't have put him in, but you can't argue with Forlan. :shades:
 

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Garcia was very good for Bacelona before he moved to Liverpool...
LOL. If he played like he does now last season, we wouldn't be looking to replace him with Giuly.
 

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Are you people serious? :googly: :doh: Using this article as a start to a discussion about which league is better? By far the most ridicolous arguments I have ever heard,so unbelieveably lame article.Just wondering if you are taking this serious.I dont care too much about the better league debate,but this must be one of the most biased and shrewd articles I ever read.

Your just playing around as usual,right Jern? ;) Please tell me you are :scared:

:eekani:

Oliver Holt is a 2 time and current Sports writer of the year :shades:
 

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@R10- Did you watch Barcelona last season? alot of your fans were upset to see him go espeacially the catalan based ones. He wasn't spectacular but he was a good player for you & always tried his best, same with us.
 

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Jern Lizardhous said:
yeah well scrub Aloisio, maybe the writer shoudln't have put him in, but you can't argue with Forlan. :shades:
Maybe a better argument would be if you put Villarreal in the EPL, where would they end up? Plus, Villarreal plays differently than ManU. And haven't you considered that maybe he "matured" as a player?
 
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