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It seems to have become a trend on the forums to rate, judge, praise or condemn a league based on one game involving two sides from the league. :blind:

Serie A gets slagged for Milan-Juve 2003, and now it seems EPL is going to be slagged forever for Liverpool-Chelsea 2005. :sigh:

And pretty soon it seems as if the debate is going to come down to which of these two dire games of football was better.:eekani:

When are people going to get into their heads that that isn't how it works. :wallbang: Hell, it doesn't even come down to a direct clash between teams from the two nations. You can bet your life if its Milan-Liverpool in the final, its gonna be some right royal fun on the forums between the EPL and Serie A fans. :D:rollani:

Anyway, just taking last night's match into consideration, if anyone thinks that's a typical EPL game, that's just plain stupid. :eek: European competition is a completely different ball game, we all know that, the concept of the away goal counting for double makes the game compeltely different. The kind of match that took place last night was one that was almost inevitable given the circumstances. Neither team is the type to rely on goals anyway, and on top of that, neither has world class strikers. Every league has its share of defensive and attacking teams. If it was Arsenal-Man UTD, you would have seen a very different game, but it just so happened that the two representatives for the EPL you were presented with last night were the defensive ones. Is that the fault of the EPL, or a trend in football which is seeing defensive teams garner more success ?

I'm not sure about the latter, I atleast hope it isnt true :neutral: :hopefull:, but I do know that it definitely isnt the former. Every club has its own ambitions, and you can't expect them to compromise on those to go out and put on a show that improves the image of their league.

The truth is that the format of the UCL makes it a much more cagey affair in any case, much more of a battle of wits than skill. Based purely on skill and quality of football, there would be VERY few UCL games in a list of the ten best games in Europe in a season (atleast not from the knockout phases), inspite of the fact that this is a competition with apparently the cream of the crop participating in it. And this is simply because of rules like one half in the UCL lasting 90 rather than 45 minutes (or put another way, 4 quarters instead of two halves) and the away goal counting double.

So for people to to say stuff like this was an advertisement of how poor the EPL is, is plain wrong, just as judging Serie A through Milan-Juve was plain wrong. It is an extremely, extremely simplistic stand to take, to judge a league based on Europe. Especially for judging the quality of football of a league. In any case its so close between the top three leagues that it comes down to a matter of taste and allegiance really, but establishing performance in Europe, and especially games in Europe as a yardstick for judging them is just a prime case of missing the forest for the trees, or whatever the cliche says. It will go around in cycles forever, today two English teams provided a poor game, next years its gonna be two italians, the year after two spanish teams, etc. :googly: Italy and Spain have 10 UCLs, England has 9. If Liverpool wins it this time, it'll be all three nations with 10. Although if Milan win italy will edge ahead. But it provides us with nothing definite, since it still remains so very, very close. And even though that is irrelevant in terms of trying to identify which league is the best currently because it is based on history, it does show that its just a cycle, going round and round, and nothing that can be a solid foundation for differentiating between these two leagues.

There's only one way of judging which country really produces the best teams in Europe, and that is to have a pan-European competition tournament that is completely based on the league format:stress::eekani:. But thats never gonna happen, and I dont even want it to since there is a special drama about the latter stages of the UCL. :star:

So just try to accept the UCL for what it really is- a competition of great drama, nerve wracking moments, special atmospheres, and loads of glitz and glamour with one or two great games of football thrown in (games which almost always tend to be overrated in terms of their greatness because of all the chitzpah surrounding the competition)- NOT a competition that exclusively determines the best team in Europe (although of-course the best team might go on to win it at times), and CERTAINLY NOT a competition that determines which is the best league in Europe.:wallbang:
 

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Good thread.

Players themselves have always maintained that judging the strength of a nation's league based on results obtained in European competition is stupid. Players have different motivation levels when playing different games and certain strong teams just can't seem to get the required results in Europe. People should just watch the Champions League as an entertaining showcase for European football and nothing else. It is, after all, a knock-out competition. Anything can happen. Even Liverpool reaching the Final. ;)
 

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No a leagues strength is not based on European matches. The CL has many teams who can beat each other and it is unfair to judge a league based on these results while the UEFA cup is full of teams who do not bother with the competition.

Another thing is that Milan-Juve, Chelsea-Liverpool does not emphasise the leagues style. Anyway my opinion on football has always been that a battling 0-0 draw shows how good the teams are because they are just as able to cancel each other out but at the same time Juve can score 4 in 2 legs v Madrid and Milan can knock out other great european teams. Same goes for Chelsea and Liverpool. Surely it shows how great Liverpool's defence were in two legs when you consider this Chelsea squad scored 6 goals v Barca and Bayern Munich...
 

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Superb post and one I couldn't agree more with. Maybe when a league secures total dominance it becomes the factor like Italy for parts of the 90's and England in the late 70's/early 80's but other than that no. La Liga is still a great league despite not having a team in the quarters this year.
 
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