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Starting next season Igor Stimac wants to make chances to the HNL. The two main ideas are playing all the matches on Sunday and having local television channels show their local teams on TV.

Also, Stimac will plan to put stricter license requirements for the clubs playing in the HNL. Some examples of this are teams cannot play in alternative venues, they have to pass with their own stadiums. According to Stimac, Dinamo, Rijeka, Osijek, Slaven Belupo and Inter are the only teams who would be able to get this license. The biggest problems are the stadiums and infrastructure. Even our "big two" struggle to get UEFA licenses.

About TV, as mentioned before HRT will still show one match a week live and they will still have the highlights show. Though, Stimac also has said that he wants the regional channels to have the rights to show HNL matches.

The Croatian Cup could possibly be renamed the 'Hrvoje Custic Cup' but they will still discuss this.

What do you think about these changes? They say that playing matches on Sunday will increase attendance and TV viewing.
It concerns me though that so many clubs are having difficulties with licenses, the stadiums and training grounds really have to improve
 

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playing on sunday will make it much more difficult for fans to travel to away games, although that only concerns bbb and torcida.
 

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Pacak from sportnet wrote that there needs the be massive changes in the HNL.

Kada broj gledatelja na velikoj većini utakmica pišete u stotinama, znate da HNL ima ozbiljan problem. Štimčeve ovotjedne ideje o promjeni termina i TV novostima pozitivne su i hvale vrijedne, no one neće riješiti rak ranu hrvatskog nogometa - prazne tribine. Razloga je mnogo i mogu se rangirati na razne načine, no iako su za štošta krivi, neke od njih "ljudi iz nogometa" ne mogu sami riješiti...

Netom okrunjenog hrvatskog prvaka na Maksimir je došlo pogledati 1.500, možda 2.000 gledatelja. Tek možda tisuća više došla je na Poljud nazočiti ključnom ogledu u borbi za Kup Uefa. To, nažalost, nisu ekstremne brojke, štoviše, posjeta je na utakmicama Dinama i Hajduka znala biti i prilično slabija. A kada je stanje takvo na tribinama dva daleko najpopularnija hrvatska kluba, u dva najveća grada, onda se više od nekoliko stotina ljudi ni ne može očekivati u Varaždinu, Čakovcu ili Zadru.

Predsjednik Udruge prvoligaša Igor Štimac najavio je ovog tjedna nekoliko značajnih promjena za iduću sezonu - utakmice će se igrati isključivo nedjeljom, pet u jednom terminu (kombinirani prijenos na televiziji) i derbi kola u večernjem terminu (izravni prijenos). Takva standardizacija termina je dobrodošla, baš kao i novosti vezane uz TV prijenose, no problemi malog broja gledatelja strukturne su naravi i ne mogu se riješiti boljim terminima. Igrali su naši klubovi i subotama i nedjeljama, pa čak i petkom, ali nekih značajnih promjena nije bilo.

Inicijalni naslov ovog teksta bio je "HNL je proizvod bez kupca", no to nije istina. HNL je itekako gledan proizvod, ali - na televiziji. Ta činjenica - da su prijenosi utakmica HNL-a itekako gledani na HTV-u - negira teoriju da HNL nikoga ne zanima, da je razina kvalitete nogometa preniska, da nema pravih zvijezda...

Ne postoji susret Primere ili Premiershipa koji će u Hrvatskoj biti gledan kao dvoboj Dinama i Hajduka. Dovoljan je i jedan od ta dva kluba da bi utakmica privukla više gledatelja nego Milan - Fiorentina ili Barcelona - Atletico. Znači - HNL nekoga i zanima. Zapravo - mnoge.

Zbog toga u vodu pada još nekoliko teorija koje pokušavaju objasniti mali broj gledatelja. Na presici poslije dvoboja Dinama i Osijeka, Ilija Lončarević mizeran je broj posjetitelja pokušao objasniti "općim stanjem nogometa za koji su krivi svi koji u njemu rade", i to u teoriji zvuči dobro, no opet - HNL gledamo na televiziji, o HNL-u čitamo u novinama, klikćemo na vijesti iz HNL-a na internetu, o HNL-u razgovaramo i diskutiramo, HNL, na kraju krajeva, volimo. Ali na stadione ne idemo.

Mogu li onda razlozi za to zaista biti suci, Mamići, Sinovčići, slab nogomet, nezanimljivost prvenstva, nedostatak zvijezda, termini, "opće stanje nogometa"?

Svi su ti argumenti zvučni, ali jednostavno ih demantiraju podaci o broju gledatelja na televiziji, broju klikova na web stranicama, broju prodanih Sportskih novosti u kojima je skoro pola lista rezervirano za - HNL. I teško onda netko može prodavati priču o tome da HNL nitko ne prati.

Stadione ne mogu izgraditi klubovi
Zašto onda u gradu od skoro milijun stanovnika jedva njih 1.500 dođe pozdraviti prvaka? Iako nisu jedini problem, stadioni imaju puno veću važnost u malom broju gledatelja nego im se to uobičajeno pripisuje.

Kao što su, primjerice, otvaranja Multiplexa i zatvaranja poznatih zagrebačkih kina zorno pokazala, ljudima je komfor daleko ispred sentimentalnosti ili povijesti. I iako ne postoji BBB koji će prihvatiti gradnju stadiona na nekoj drugoj lokaciji, za Dinamo je u dugom roku bolji novi stadion bilo gdje, nego ruševina preko puta ZOO-a. Jer, na ovaj Maksimir ne želi nitko ići, na takvoj pozornici svaka utakmica izgleda 10 puta lošija nego što uistinu jest. Pitao sam nekoliko ljudi koji gledaju HNL zašto ne idu na utakmice; najindikativniji odgovor bio je 'zato jer mi uvijek ono bijelo sa stolice ostane na hlačama'. Dame i gospodo, Prva HNL!

Tko god spominje kvalitetu nogometa... Ako mislite da bi utakmica Aston Villa - Derby County na stadionu s kojeg vidite obližnje krave i pored kojeg prolazi vlak, a više gledatelja dvoboj gleda sa svojih balkona nego s tribina, izgledala puno bolje od Rijeka - Zadar - varate se. I Premiership i Primera i Serie A i HNL imaju i loših i dobrih i atraktivnih i slabih utakmica. Ok, nemamo kvalitetu Manchester Uniteda ili Bayerna, ali po svemu sudeći - nije baš to presudno.

Iako su za štošta i sami krivi, vodeći ljudi hrvatskih klubova nisu i ne mogu biti odgovorni za komfor stadiona. Bez pomoći države i gradova, problem stadiona ne može se riješiti, a samim time ni potencijalno dobre ideje nemaju plodno tlo na koje bi pale. Stadioni su uvjet bez kojega se ne može, temelj napretka HNL-a i uopće hrvatskog nogometa.
Međutim, stadioni bi bili samo početak, potrebno je još puno korjenitih promjena da bi na Maksimir i Poljud redovito dolazilo 15-20 tisuća ljudi, u Varaždin, Rijeku i Osijek po 10, a u Vinkovce ili Koprivnicu po pet tisuća ljudi.
Bilo bi potrebno usaditi kulturu odlaska na utakmice. Promovirati HNL. Izbaciti iz HNL-a "mafijaške" konotacije, smanjiti važnost menadžera, očistiti sudačku organizaciju.

Usaditi nekako ambicioznost klubovima, a ne da im cilj bude životariti iz sezone u sezonu. Bilo bi nužno da u klubovima razmišljaju, planiraju i postupaju dugoročno. Da ne mijenjaju trenere kao čarape. Da ponekad kažu "NE" Dinamu i Hajduku, ili u njihovom slučaju, da kažu"NE" Monacu ili Dynamu iz Kijeva.

Sve to bile bi stvarne promjene s ozbiljnim učincima na stav koji ljudi imaju prema HNL-u. Promjene termina kozmetički su zahvat, a HNL-u je potrebno nešto puno dublje. Da bi se to napravilo, nije dovoljna dobra volja Igora Štimca; potrebno je puno više ljudi, puno više resursa, puno snažnija potpora države i gradova, ali i svježe krvi u našem nogometu, prvenstveno u uredima. Jer na terenu, koliko god nevjerojatno i neobjašnjivo bilo, još uvijek dobro funkcioniramo, pokazuju to primjeri Kranjčara, Modrića, Ćorluke, Kalinića, Eduarda, Rukavine i svih novih klinaca koji dolaze...
 

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problem with attendances isn't just in stadiums, thats just one aspect of it. we must take note from abroad. in portugal they build new modern stadiums for euro 2004, but after the euro stadiums aren't packed. most of them are almost completely empty

the problem with us is that majority of football fans in croatia simply don't have a culture of going to the league games. we mention premiership, bundesliga primera and shit there going to the games is simply a way of life, its a tradition part of a weekend afternoon.
if the state of stadiums was the real key of why people don't go to domestic club competitions then nt games which are played at these same stadiums wouldn't always be filled, european games wouldn't be filled. stadiums on which our nt plays and on which our clubs play in european games aren't some special stadiums, they are the same ones where league games are played. stadium as the key factor can't explain the question why are european and nt games filled up nicely and in a lot of cases packed and league games aren't.
 

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i agree with eduardo, the competition is just way to weak.
whenever there is something to play for the stadiums are filled, nt-games, derbies when hajduk was equal, european-games.
but why would i go to watch dinamo-zadar ? i know that dinamo will win and that they will be champions.
 

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but why would i go to watch dinamo-zadar ? i know that dinamo will win and that they will be champions.

That's the problem right there. MMsaidit. Most wouldn't go to a game... Why do Celtic and Rangers fans fill stadiums when the play village teams? They just have a culture of going to games, they don't care who it is that's playing.
 

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So true 50 lipa, our people need something to get there blood pumping and with the HNL being so predictable the stadiums will never be full. I think another big reason for the lack of interest is hooliganism which turns familys off and fathers simply won't bring there sons and daughters to the games. MM made a good point about the Portugese league, I've seen highlights and their stadiums are deserted. In the ned it's going to be quite a few years before the HNL will attract spectators in large numbers to the stadia as there are too many big problems to rectify quickly.
 

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After watching a few of the games they showed on TV in Croatia, as much as I hate saying it...the league is a disgrace. The quality of play is terrible and as I was telling my cousins, the MLS here in the States has better quality games that what I saw in the HNL...its unwatchable..the pitches are horrible...the stadiums are in terrible shape...maybe I'm used to the North American stadiums for all sports...and while I can understand the fact that Croatia is a small country and really doesn't need huge stadiums, the stadiums they do have are a disaster...Maximir is an embarassment...Zadar's stadium looks like the old Metropolitan Oval in Ridgewood, NY (NY'ers know what I'm talking about)...minus the sand/dirt, rocks, and broken glass that Oval used to have on the pitch....
 

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in the MLS at least the guys run and play 100% and have pressure in being benched. In the HNL most of these guys go party on the weekend and feel no pressure in not performing well.
 

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So true 50 lipa, our people need something to get there blood pumping and with the HNL being so predictable the stadiums will never be full. I think another big reason for the lack of interest is hooliganism which turns familys off and fathers simply won't bring there sons and daughters to the games. MM made a good point about the Portugese league, I've seen highlights and their stadiums are deserted. In the ned it's going to be quite a few years before the HNL will attract spectators in large numbers to the stadia as there are too many big problems to rectify quickly.
Hooliganism my ass... there wasn't incident on stadiums for yrs now.
 
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