Johan, I'm waiting for your reply.
You demand a lot- you demand proofs, part of them on things we don't have access to(like the FIGCs' codes, which is not published in the internet), everything, every effort to hold on the rather naive belief that Milan(I guess in your case only Milan is relevant) is totaly clean. You make it to be looked like a firm belief and it's exactly like Al Capone woman who said "he's not a murderer, the police didn't find him murdering and those who saw him murdering are lying".
It's not like you saying "I admit Milan probably had cheated a bit, but I'm not totally convinced".
I just saw your signature. Seemingly I compltely forgot this topic, not surprising since I usually only check the Milan forum.
As for the proof when all was publisced I heard there wasn't really much on us at all, but that is all I have to say about that as I am not in the know how.
I'm sorry but I probably have missed your own clear opinion. So, in 1-2 sentences, can you tell me what is it regarding Meanis phone transcript?
He said things like
"I don't want him! I never asked for him and I never wanted him!"
The first thing he said was the most clear one and it certainly insuinate that he wants us to have a certain linesman. This seems to imply there is something fishy going on in any way. But it also goes back to one of the original points, the linesman in this game that the call was after had made a clear incorrect decisions that costed us. Playing the devils advocate (pun intended), who's not to say he knew that referee would call against us and wanted to avoid him at all costs?
"Now you be careful, be careful, Galliani is furious."
I think I said it before, I was also quite furious. Of course the "you be careful" part is a implied threat, not something to be proud off.
"important it is for us to (beat) these Interisti,"
Now that is a biased ref.
first time I seen this transcript. someone that says something like this should not be allowed to ref again in that division. Of course maybe it could be claimed serie A would be without referees then.
by Claudio Puglisi, who is a linesman in the Italian referees federation(he's the one who is suspected to be Milans' referee[linesman]).
I think that above statment makes it safe to say he is biased.
Johan, Meani called Gennaro Mazzei, who is a linesman designator from the federation, and told him, among other things, those 2 quotations written above.
Which basically is not really proof of anything but him make a call that he is not allowed to make. It also implies he doesn't get the referee he actually wanted, which would imply he doesn't have any power to cheat...
telling some official from the federation(for example) things like and the other things(I really don't want to write the transcript over and over again as it was already discussed and reviewed heavily) means- putting a pressure.
Yes pressure, but no proof of cheating or that the pressure have any sort of effect. As said above, in fact it seems the opposite, that he lacked the power needed.
As for the underlined words; AC Milan fans are the last one, maybe except Juve fans, to have concerns about them as far as power balance comes into account.
True. although our power is mostly political and financial, more than institutional in the league.
Oh really? It's very interesting how you missed it, as this is the one thing those people from FIGC and referee federation were accused and questioned about most. They had to explain why they didn't report those calls. This is what they have to do. They have to report, otherwise they are guilty of co-operative.
You got me a bit wrong, what I said is that I never read about the rule. I didn't really know about the rule or what it pertains. What calls where okay and which where not? I am not talking about the contents of the calls here, I am talking about the rule that they can't call them without reporting.
And how did you miss all those excuses referees were telling in the last weeks to justify themselves because they didn't report those phone calls? Most of them said "I thought it was just a nice chat without anything influential"(not an exact quotation, but a kind-of).
See their excuse, that was kind of the thing, obviously I understand that they must report someone trying to make them cheat or being offered maseratis.
you better read Morattis' reaction about this call again. He was so happy this call was published in Gazzettta dello Sport, because it proved the opossite compared to the speeches of Juve's official with the same man(Paireto). Also ,next time, you better check who called who
to long ago, I don't remember. but it must have a been a very bad call.
Contents are more important than who made the call, like if Pairetto called and asked when his Maserati would be delivered.
Could also be me having read "press bendings" of what was said.
Well, that's true but the people from the federation must report phone calls from clubs representatives. It's their duty no matter wether the system above them is corrupted. By doing so(reporting) they also clear themselves of any guiltiness.
We are going in a circle now. Exactly who are they going to report too if there is none to report too? Only ones I can come up with is the press...
I don't belive he knew nothing, just like I don't believe Cerraro knew nothing, Agneli family knew nothing(it's was very convenient for them to "not notice" it).
I am leaning towards agreeing here, if anything I said last year that we should kick out Galliani directly if he knew about what Juve did and didn't do something about it...
How do you think that Fachetti, Zehman, Gauchi, Mancini(long before he joined Inter), Zohf and others "knew"/knew about this?
They probably watched some Juventus games.