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Now it's them.

The tournament has started in complete different ways for both teams. While we started the tournament very well, the Boludos started really bad. As the tournmament went along we started with the traditional "i love myself dilemma"and the team started to go down due to its own ego mania. While Argentina in trouble in the first 2 games, had time to train and set up a good positioning and organization to the players, played very well there last 2 games.

In this game i don't think nobody is favourite. We could have been favourites had we played to the full potential, but that is not the case. We are playing very far from our true potential and our manager does not seem to be putting the bestplayers on the pitch nor giving the correct motivation and tactical positioning to our team.

I still cannot believe how this MARCEL got called up?? And why the heck does he insists in leaving NILMAR on the bench??:eek: :fero:

Also, hopefully Edu Dracena will not be shacky in wednesday's game, otherwise Tevez will be all over him. Let's just hope that he misses the same chances he missed against Colombia, it was about 7 goals the guy missed, don;'t know why. But we need to be careful with him, cause he does create a lot of chances.

All in all, we have Rockemback coming back with all his energy, that should boost up the enthusasm of the team. And we have Diego to organize play, cause it was awful yesterday against the Colombians.

On thing is sure..... we must play much better on wednesday and we must play like real men... not like sissies as we showed against Chile.
 

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Played better and lost, Marcel lost 2 easy chances and Robinho had a really good header.


The defence was actually good and that goal was more a lucky shot than anything, actually more of a deflection then a header.

We sure miss a midfielder that can score like Kaka
 

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and a whole new attack.

Robinho is media hype (can only dribble) and Marcel is complete BS.:fero: :devil:
 

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i know what you mean..i saw it and i couldn't believe the goals you missed..argentina won not because of their merits but because you let them!!! can't believe it!!:mad:
and why was fabio so defensive?! he was more involved in attack on past games...i think that was a point to consider too because that diego..he seems to be playing for himself, not for brazil..i'm so mad because we both loose and it was unfair for both:depress: :fero:
 

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now we're so going to be crashed on friday :depress:
because you need to win so much and we lost our nervs against paraguay...paraguay!!!:fero: but we're going to recover 2 important players: valdivia and villanueva :drool: so you probably won't humilliate us..but i don't think we can beat you
you know, before this i was thinking about going to viña del mar on sunday to see brazil 1st and chile after..but now..i don't think it worths my effort :mad:
 

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mariaines said:
now we're so going to be crashed on friday :depress:
because you need to win so much and we lost our nervs against paraguay...paraguay!!!:fero: but we're going to recover 2 important players: valdivia and villanueva :drool: so you probably won't humilliate us..but i don't think we can beat you
you know, before this i was thinking about going to viña del mar on sunday to see brazil 1st and chile after..but now..i don't think it worths my effort :mad:
the bad part is that we will either die together or just one of us will make it through. I would like to see Chile and Brasil going to the Olimpics.

About Fabio not moving foward, he did have a lot in his hands. He had to fall back to stop the attacks and him and Dudu did a great job. I really hope to see those 2 get a shot at the NT.

About Robinho, well we always knew he was not a scorer, he has yet to find a position that suits him. He loses to many balls in the mid that can create a lot of counters, he did give some good passes that went into a good play to Marcel.

Anyway I enjoyed Marcel more than Dagoberto, at least he tries to finish, too bad he had no luck against Argentina. That time he was facing the keeper he actually finished well but too soft, the keeper was able to deflect with his feet :(


Ps. We needed a Tevez, someone with a little more objectivity. He did not have a great game but the few time he touched the ball was either good pass that resulted in a dangerous play or a good finish
 

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Anyway even if we don´t go, it was worth to see who was good enough for the NT.


1) Dracena showed he is far from being a great CB, I trust Alex now more than anyone. And I would love to see Alex and Luizão in the NT.

2) Dudu Cearence is all that was hyped to be, I sure would trade Kleberson for him in a heart beat. And maybe give a shot to Rochemback, he does mess up a bit from time to time but he is strong and has a good tackle (almost broke Tevez in half :D )

3) Carvalho is a pretty good prospect, but he would have a hard time being 1st choice.

4) Diego, Robinho and the rest proved that they are not NT material yet. Both Diego and Robinho did not creat a single crucial chance, the best chance of the game came from a pass from Dudu.
 

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Damn, now it's a do or die situation. I hate when Brazil loses against Argentina. :mad:
There's no other choice than beat Chile and Paraguay (maybe a draw against Chile and win against Paraguay will be sufficient, but you can't count on it). U-20 really showed character when they were forced to, now it's time this Olympic squad does the same thing. :cool:
 

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I have confidence in Diego's football.... but Robinho has not played football for over a year now.... this guy must show that he is for real or what.

Our attack is pathetic..... only Daniel Carvalho does something.

How can Ricardo Gomes take the best man out FABIO ROCKEMBACK:eek: :confused: :fero: :fero:

then needing to win the game he takes the left back out and puts another left back.... PHULEASE GIVE ME A BREAK:yuck: :yuck:

Even if we qualify for the Olympics I don't think Ricardog Gomes should be the manager..... he is always nervous, defensive and not thinking the right things.

How can he call MARCEL up when he could have used VAGNER LOVE who is 10 times better:confused: :devil:

Our defense is ok (thanks to Alex), our midfield is quite good, but our attack is always lost... we don't have that final punch.... even with a "specialist" like Marcel. Give me a real center forward... VAGNER LOVE WAS THE MAN
 

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Vagina Love is U23? I really don´t know why take guys like Dagoberto and not take a descent finisher in his place. Wagner is avarage but better than all of the pseudo CF called.
 

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Litenit,

I don't think vagner is all that average.... he is silky, fast, knows how to position himself and knows how to score goals.... he just plays in a crap team and even worst club:yuck: :yuck: :yuck:

But he is MUCH BETTER than Marcel.. that is a certainty;)
 

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About yesterday's game, I have only four words to say: Quem Não Faz, Leva.
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And Robinho is USELESS! :mad:

Fukk Vagner Love, Adriano should be our striker. :groan:
 

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How can Ricardo Gomes take the best man out FABIO ROCKEMBACK
That is easy, Ze. If you do forget whatever Casagrande was saying the explanation is pretty clear. Minutes before he put Elano to give more strength to the Middlefield. The goal come and he put a foward again to return to the old formation. So he take out the second DM (Fabio, a man who was just starting to fight with Argies for nothing) and moved Elano there and put Nilmar to replaced Robinho. He returned to the formation of the team.

then needing to win the game he takes the left back out and puts another left back.... PHULEASE GIVE ME A BREAK
Looking the bench, what else ? Paulinho was the not there. So he take Wendel who is there just because his defensive quality over Maxwell and put the other one with breath to attack more often, trying to open to game in the wings.

How can he call MARCEL up when he could have used VAGNER LOVE who is 10 times better
Let me see, Vagner scored the same or less goals than Marcel, which did in the First division not in second division. I find doubtous that he is for sure so much better.
Other reason is that Palmeiras was allowed to remain with him longer, so he was left behind. Branco explained this in one of the Arena Sportv shows.
 

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One more pearl of Casagrande was the new theory that you need a pure striker to not lose many oportunities, so we had to use Marcel. And yesterday his pure striker(pure class defense after all, Casangrande was nothing but a pure striker) was missing chances he was "He is playing well, he is there missing the goals"...Casagrande a pure striker playing well, do not miss the goal, he score them...(This goes to the book together with the putting more attackers do not means more offensive team. He seems to think the opposite of offensive is effiecient, not defensive:rolleyes: )...

But lets go slowly. I do not think robinho is useless (But right now it is clear Daniel is physically in much better shape than him. So he must stay) neither i think this defeat (Which happened in a even game) with a lonely goal (i wonder, how Alex and Edu score that many goals with their head and still unable to domain their area that easy. Bad positioning perhaps ? One of the failures of the player Ricardo Gomes was the air game...) changed anything. Before this game the duty to classify was winning 2 games, Paraguay and Chile. And Still there. If we can not defeat those two teams, why bother going to Athenas ?
 

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Before this game the duty to classify was winning 2 games, Paraguay and Chile. And Still there. If we can not defeat those two teams, why bother going to Athenas ?
Good point.
 

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One more pearl of Casagrande was the new theory that you need a pure striker to not lose many oportunities, so we had to use Marcel. And yesterday his pure striker(pure class defense after all, Casangrande was nothing but a pure striker) was missing chances he was "He is playing well, he is there missing the goals"...Casagrande a pure striker playing well, do not miss the goal, he score them...(This goes to the book together with the putting more attackers do not means more offensive team. He seems to think the opposite of offensive is effiecient, not defensive:rolleyes: )...

But lets go slowly. I do not think robinho is useless (But right now it is clear Daniel is physically in much better shape than him. So he must stay) neither i think this defeat (Which happened in a even game) with a lonely goal (i wonder, how Alex and Edu score that many goals with their head and still unable to domain their area that easy. Bad positioning perhaps ? One of the failures of the player Ricardo Gomes was the air game...) changed anything. Before this game the duty to classify was winning 2 games, Paraguay and Chile. And Still there. If we can not defeat those two teams, why bother going to Athenas ?
Well Casa grande was right, but hell you did not have to be an expert to know we were lacking game inside the area. At least Marcel was there to finish inside the area, too bad he sucked at that missing easy goals.

But I don´t think Marcel is a crap striker, he is best in that squad.

Also I don´t Robinho is useless, but simply there are better options than him. And I can say the same about Diego, I did not see a single play from him that would show he could carry the team. They are good players, but we have better options.

Dudu Cearence was simply awesome, I want to see him in the NT :star:
 

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No, way. Casagrande point was that a finisher would score the oportunities created and not miss the oportunities like the others are missing. There was not a lack of game inside the area, there was a lack of efficience in that game. Which remained yesterday anyways. To the point that when Marcel come and scored his goal in the venezuela , dumbass Galvao Bueno was like "here the scorer that lacked" despite the fact that Brazil was winning by 3 goals by them :rolleyes:

I do not dislike Marcel, but he faied yesterday, no doubt. I think players like him, Maxwell are walking out of the olympic games (either by the lack of classification or just because, there will be Adriano and a willing Ronaldo to go)
 
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