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A Liverpool spokesman today denied that a meeting was held yesterday to discuss the transfer of Lee Bowyer but would not deny that he was a target.

Looks likely that a deal will be agreed for a fee around 7-9 Million.


Bargain if a little overshadowed by off field incidents.
 

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LIVERPOOL OFFER £7M FOR BOWYER

Liverpool are set to sign Leeds' Lee Bowyer for a cut-price £7million, says the Daily Express.

Leeds had hoped to bank £15m for the sale of the midfielder, who is desperate to quit Elland Road.

However, Liverpool have only offered £7m, and boss Gerard Houllier says he will only complete the deal if it is done before the Champions League transfer deadline.

The paper says Leeds chairman Peter Ridsdale is considering the offer rather than risk letting him go for free next summer
 

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Why with this craze about signing another hardworking attacking midfielder? We have loads of them...
Cheyrou, Barmby, Berger, Murphy, Gerrard, Riise.

We should be signing Wingers and Playmakers
We should be signing the Pireses, Bergkamps, Litmanens (Good as gone), Duffs, Juninhos, Roberts...

Lots of hardworking goal getters with no creative flame dun make a EPL winning team.
 

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Hi Mindscape..

Well first of all.. I wouldn't put Bowyer in that same pool of players.. (Ok.. Berger is hard working.. but the effect of his hard is close to zero!! Murphy needs to improve.. and although I hope Barmby returns.. he's turning into another Redknapp..) I believe Bowyer is more than just a huffing and puffing give 100% per game player.. He's intelligent, scores a buck load of goals, has wonderful off the ball positioning and is creative.. I have the video tapes for Leeds last 3 seasons.. and although the spot light is usually on Kewell.. I believe Bowyer was one of the top 3 reasons of their successes (Especially in the CL 2 years ago)..

As for Litmanen.. well I think he's gonna have a role similar to last seasons.. which is mainly.. to play wither when everyone else is suspended or injured.. or throw him in during the last 15 minutes when we need a spark of intelligence and creativity in the team :rolleyes: I have a feeling that the club is preparing him for a coaching role or something.. hope so.. cuz it's not everyday that you find someone as dedicated as he is..
 

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According to koptalk.com.. a recent poll held there showed that 66.9% of Liverpool fans would like to see Bowyer in a red shirt next year..

while of course 33.1% of Liverpool fans were against the deal..

Well with GH taking his time now.. I think he'll be with us by Christmas...
 

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With Leeds and Liverpool some way apart in there valuation (Liverpool offering 7-9 Leeds wanting 15) the likely scenario is Houllier will now bide his time, either signing Bowyer on a free transfer just after christmas or forcing Ridsdales hand and offering a ridiculously small amount just before christmas.
 

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You'll find that the midfield is getting a new look, it's being overhauled with comings and goings.

Macca and Rednapp have gone

Cheyrou and Diao come in.

Duff and Bowyer are linked, Berger is linked with a move away.
 

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bowyer will be the free agent next year...i don't think leeds will let him go for free...i guess if liverpool don't sign him this summer, they'll get him in the christmas break...this guy is good...damn, i wish the spurs get him... :D
 

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Why we need so many midfielders?
It's not that we need so many midfielders, it's that we need better ones, we need to sign one or two international/world class midfielders to improve the midfield. Only Hamman and Gerrard are international/world class players in our midfield, whereas Arsenal and Man Utd have many, so they score more goals;

Arsenal- Pires, Vieira, Ljungberg, Wiltord
Man Utd- Veron, Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Keane, Scholes
Liverpool- Only Gerrard and Hamman

I'm not sure if Cheyrou and Diao can fit the bill, but hopefully Berger, Diomede and possibly Barmby/Smicer will leave, then we will have money and space for better midfielders like Duff.
 

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Actually,

I totally agree with the "midfield overhaul" we're having.. a lot of our players are either past it (like maybe Barmby), not good enough (like Berger), have left (McAllister and Redknapp) or might leave (like Biscan).. But I believe we've done a good job in strengthening the back bone of the midfield.. with Murphy, Hamann and Gerrard already there.. throw in Cheyrou and Diao.. I do still feel we need to add some spark the midfield.. Duff and Bowyer would certainly do that.. although I still HOPE Liverpool will end up signing Rui Costa too!!.. His vision and creativity are a league over all the other lads we have.. and would add SO much to the team.. might teach Murphy a thing or two about keeping his head :)
 

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Ok... We have lots of midfielders.

Hamann
Gerrard
Berger
Smicer
Biscan
Diao
Cheyrou
Murphy
Barmby
Riise
Heggem

anymore?

We did not see a lot of Biscan due to the EU regulation but GH said we will see him more this season and I think he is a good midfielder and still improving. If Liverpool wants to win title and CL, they need to get rid of some players like Berger, Murphy, Heggem and probably Barmby. Smicer... his problem is his consistancy and injury proned. If he can improve his consistancy, he will be a good winger on the right and probably be a backup if we can find a better right winger.
So, we need a right winger who can run the defender and create space for the strikers. IMO, we don't need Bowyer and if we can get Duff for less than 15M, go for it! 25M is simply too much and rumor said GH might give up on signing Duff for that price.
 

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We have to many midfielders that are good, but to few that have real class

Berger, Smicer, Barmby and Heggem didn't show anything last year or the year before.

Sell them. Eventhough I hope Berger will show his true class this season.

But he will have to go to, if we buy Boywer as it seems like. He's a bargain for just 8 million. And if wee sell 2 or 3 midfielders, there will be cash for a good winger too :)
 

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Lets be honest.
Hands up if U think Bowyer is the same class as Giggs, Beckham or Pires.
 

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Well I belive he isn't in that same class.. neither is Duff!! come on.. you're talking about a class that is above Bowyer and Duff.. but not a class that is miles away..

But if I'm gonna look at it that way...

hands up if you think Diouf is in the same class as Henry or Van Nistelrooy!! hands up if you think Cheyrou is in the same class as Veron.. hands up if you think Diao is in the same class as Vieira or Roy Keane..

Personally, I don't compare in that way.. or I would have gone even further and said we could have gotten a Ronaldo or Crespo instead of Diouf.. and someone like Davids instead of Diao... I can go on forever...

The way I look at it is what is the expected impact these players will add to the team?? If the added value is noticable and effective.. I'd call it a deal well done.. another way I look at it.. is to compare between them and the players we have in the same (or similar) positions.. So I'd look at it as Smicer (or Biscan or Barmby.. as GH did play Biscan on the right before) vs. Bowyer and Berger vs. Duff.. in both cases.. I see Bowyer and Duff as much better replacements..

Actually, I'd even go and say that I'd want Bowyer (now) much more than I want Duff.. Bowyer has European experience.. has a better eye for goal and is very creative (Yes, not in the same sense as Pires).. Personally, I would have wanted Liverpool to go for more glamorous names (as it's about time we did).. but it seems Rui Costa is staying with Milan.. and I would have loved to see Carriere or something join us.. but I'm also glad with all the transfer movement we've had till now.. and with Duff and Bowyer.. we'd have an excellent midfield to go with a formidable defence and excellent attack and goal keeper :)
 

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From soccernet

Venables backs sale of bad boy Bowyer
By Alan Nixon

Terry Venables looks certain to sanction the £8million sale of controversial midfielder Lee Bowyer to Liverpool as his first major act in charge of Leeds.

Liverpool boss Gerard Houllier hopes to pin down a deal this week for midfielder Bowyer, just as Venables sets about raising cash to try to avoid selling star defender Rio Ferdinand.

Reds assistant manager Phil Thompson today admitted that discussions for Bowyer are 'ongoing'.

Thompson told the Liverpool Echo: 'He is a player we have admired for some time. Nothing has been finalised at the moment but discussions are ongoing.'

Houllier's number two added: 'He has things in his game which we need and he can also weigh in with goals. He is a quality player.'

Venables, who flew in to Leeds yesterday afternoon for talks with coaches Brian Kidd and Eddie Gray, had said: 'I want to keep the best players - I want to keep Rio.'

However, he added: 'Clearly there is a situation where the club has to move some players on.'

Bowyer, who was found not guilty of assault in a retrial last year but fined four weeks' wages by the club for excessive drinking on the night of the incident, has made it plain that he will not sign a new deal at Elland Road.

Leeds are under growing pressure to accept a compromise figure as Bowyer has only a year left on his contract. Liverpool's opening bid fell well short of Leeds' initial demand of £15m. However, the Yorkshire club may now agree and the deal could be done by Friday.

The move would complete a hectic summer of transfer activity at Anfield, with Liverpool signing former French Under-20 midfielder Alou Diarra on a free transfer from Bayern Munich. Diarra has signed a five-year deal and is set to be joined at Anfield by compatriot Bruno Cheyrou in the next few days.

Houllier is also close to completing the capture of Senegalese World Cup stars El Hadji Diouf, from Lens, and Salif Diao, from Sedan, which will confirm the club's determination to land the Premiership title.

After a month of talks on Bowyer, they are likely to find little opposition from Venables to the move. The former England boss has said in the past: 'He's (Bowyer's) in the last-chance saloon. If partying, drinking and dancing is your thing then play your football over the park.

'Those seeking their fortune at the top levels have to be dedicated to diet and fitness. Footballers are the new rock stars and should not lay themselves open to criticism or abuse by going to places which attract attention.

'If there are certain places they cannot go, then clubs should inflict harsh penalties for ignoring it. You give up your rights to fall about in the street when you become a pro. You cannot let your guard drop in public.'

Bowyer's arrival would give Liverpool more threat from midfield, where a lack of goals has cost them in the past. Success at Anfield could also revive his England career.

But Leeds hope his departure will be even more significant, especially as chairman Peter Ridsdale has said they have to bring in £15m this summer.

If Bowyer is swiftly followed out of Leeds by other expensive players then it can only help in their battle to keep Ferdinand, with Manchester United waiting impatiently in the wings.

Ferdinand has been boxed into a corner by Venables stating that he wants the England World Cup star to stay and the club are in a position to stand by that pledge if they reduce their debts.

Leeds fans were given more hope that the defender will opt to remain at Elland Road when Ridsdale revealed that Ferdinand's agent, Pini Zahavi, had told him he was very impressed with the appointment of Venables as manager.

'I won't know Rio's views until I have spoken to him personally but his agent was extremely complimentary about Terry Venables and he also said he understood that Rio would be impressed,' said Ridsdale.

However, if the lure of the Champions League ultimately proves irresistible for Ferdinand, his only option would be to ask for a transfer.

In that case, Leeds would be able to hold out for the full £35m should they sell, thereby increasing their own financial strength.
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He could be a Red within the next 12 hours. Keep your fingers crossed.:)

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Another article from soccernet. This time an analysis one...

Wednesday, July 10, 2002
Why will Houllier risk it all for this snarling terrier?

Lee Bowyer has made a career out of spotting an opening. The trademark surge from deep at the merest hint of an opportunity has given him a goalscoring record that is the envy of midfield players throughout the land.

Now he believes he has spotted another chance and, true to form, he has seized on it with all his customary voracity.

When the troubled Leeds midfielder finally completes a move to Liverpool that has been mooted for months, it will be more than just a case of breaking free from the anxiety and uncertainty of his recent court ordeal.

There is always the danger that such a belligerent character will upset the delicate balance at a club like Liverpool, which has always prided itself on its teamwork and esprit de corps.

But Liverpool manager Gerard Houllier believes the Anfield stage - and the chance to restate his England credentials - will bring out the best in Bowyer on and off the field.

As Bowyer heaved a sigh of relief at being cleared of all charges at Hull Crown Court in December, it was the international consideration which overrode all others and persuaded him to decline the offer of a new contract at Leeds and ask to leave.

Bowyer and England have been uttered in the same breath countless times since he broke into the Charlton side as a 17-year-old and quickly caught the eye of, among others, Liverpool. Eight years on, his claims are still a matter of conjecture rather than fact.

The Leeds firebrand turned 25 in January and is still waiting for the call. Waiting, it must be said, with rapidly diminishing patience.

Though off-field events may have played a hand in extending his exclusion from the international fold last season, the die was already cast in Bowyer's mind.

At Leeds, he could see only further frustration of his England ambitions, while Liverpool will present him with a golden opportunity to fulfil them in the midst of international regulars like Michael Owen, Emile Heskey and Steven Gerrard. It was too good a chance to miss.

He will travel across the Pennines later this week, convinced that any misgivings in Sven Goran Eriksson's mind are about to be banished by irrefutable evidence that he can flourish in the company of Owen, Heskey, Gerrard and England squad man Danny Murphy.

The impending challenge of a Champions League campaign just happens to be a bonus.

Other questions will accompany him on the road to Anfield, not least the reflex reaction of most football followers on hearing the identity of Houllier's latest acquisition.

Why, for all Bowyer's obvious attributes, would a player who revels in being a handful off the pitch as well as on it be welcomed aboard by one of the game's strictest disciplinarians?

Bowyer's last club fine at Leeds was for being much the worse for drink on the night of the incident that led to his court appearance. His next could be for the relatively trivial offence of allowing his mobile phone to ring within the confines of Liverpool's Melwood training complex.

Houllier will not tolerate rebels and demonstrated as much by offloading Robbie Fowler to Leeds following several late-night skirmishes, not all the England striker's fault, and a training-ground slanging match with assistant manager Phil Thompson.

Alcohol is another Houllier taboo, as illustrated by the way he dealt with reported sightings of Gerrard in various Liverpool nightclubs. Keep out of them for now, he reasoned, and you can buy your own in another 10 years.

He allows no departure from his interpretation of the player/manager relationship, his word is sacrosanct and he will expect Bowyer to heed the unwritten laws, as have most Liverpool players before him.

No-one crosses Houllier and survives with his Anfield career intact. But there is a clear belief at Liverpool that Bowyer's craving for England honours will make him toe the line without recourse to disciplinary measures.

If Bowyer, as new Leeds manager Terry Venables said, is indeed stepping into the Last Chance Saloon, he will surely pause to reflect on the stakes and make sure he sticks to soft drinks.

Houllier is counting on it. Gambling may be another vice that has been struck off the Houllier list of pastimes, but there can be little doubt he is taking a risk with his latest investment.

The manager is preparing to bolster a squad which finished second to Arsenal with the arrivals of Senegal World Cup pair Salif Diao and El-Hadji Diouf, as well as French duo Alou Diarra, signed yesterday on a free transfer from Bayern Munich, and Bruno Cheyrou, who should follow in the next few days from Lille.

The recruitment drive represents a huge financial commitment and throwing the combustible Bowyer into the mix may risk turning an impressive statement of intent into an expensive disaster.

But Liverpool's wily boss, as ever, did not hesitate in backing his judgment and may even have another surprise in store as he contemplates launching Bowyer's Anfield career in an unfamiliar role on the left of midfield.

It is a position that has troubled Houllier throughout his time on Merseyside but he believes he may have found an answer in the form of Bowyer's drive and energy. It is a view shared by Bowyer himself, and not just because he would not dare argue.

Finding a left-sided specialist has perplexed Eriksson as much as Houllier. Opportunity continues to beckon. Who better to accept than someone who seldom needs a second invitation?
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Thommo: Bowyer's a quality player

Phil Thompson has this afternoon confirmed that Liverpool are interested in Lee Bowyer and that 'discussions are ongoing'.

Reports in the national press this morning insisted that Liverpool had already bought the Leeds United midfielder but Assistant Manager Phil Thompson this afternoon claimed that the deal was not done and dusted.

"He is a player we have admired for some time," insisted Thompson, "nothing has been finalised at the moment but discussions are ongoing.

"He has things in his game which we need and he can also weigh in with goals. He is a quality player."

The Leeds United star has left than a year to go on his contract at Elland Road.

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I think Leeds will let Bowyer goes for 8M coz this is better than nothing 6 months later...
 

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L Bowyer = New TD?

Phil Thompson believes Lee Bowyer could become Liverpool's 'new Terry McDermott' if the two parties can agree a deal to see the Leeds star come to Anfield.

Liverpool have confirmed that discussions are ongoing with a view to sealing a deal for the 25 year old midfielder, and Thompson believes he would prove to be a quality addition to the Reds' team.

McDermott made a name for himself at Liverpool as a top class goalscoring midfielder, and Thompson can see similar qualities in the way Bowyer plays his game.

Speaking exclusively to Liverpoolfc.tv, Thompson said: "Lee is a player we greatly admire. His football is top class, he scores goals from midfield and that is something we have been missing.

"We see him as being one of the top midfielders in the country. At this moment the transfer negotiations are ongoing with Leeds and the necessary people are talking. If a deal can be done then we will be more than happy.

"Lee has always scored goals throughout his career. The way he gets forward and scores goals from midfield is similar to the way Terry McDermott used to play. He has a knack of being in the right place at the right time when he gets into the box."
 
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