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Well he had made a serious impact on the game,Are you happy with what he done?What are your thoughts about him,what he's changed etc?
 

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What I like about Bosman is that he proves that "little people" can make an impact on the world thru conviction and determination.

Some will argue that Bosman changed things for the worse, because fewer young players get a chance to play in the big leagues and smaller clubs are robbed of their talants for nothing.

IMO this is all a load of crap. Football is a professional sport and players should hence be viewed as employees. If they want to change their jobs, they should not need anybody's permission.

The Bosman ruling has IMO provided the following advantages:
1. More power to the players, less to the clubs (all socialists should agree with this ;) )
2. Better quality football in the to leagues, with a more interesting mix of players and nationalities. What would Serie A be without foreign wing players? What would La Liga be without a supply of South American players? What would EPL be without dutch and french players?
 

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Question : Who is Bosman in real life ? Is he player, UEFA official, or what ?

Thanks. :)
 

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He was a player
 

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He single-handedly changed the face of football as we know today.

I'm sorry but I think that sucks. Club football has lost all form of identity as a result; clubs like Chelsea are no longer an English team and teams in general simply buy their way to trophies. How on earth can that be good for the sport, pray tell? What's the significance of a match between Arsenal and Milan if one team has 10 French players and another 7 or 8 Brazilians? What respect is club tradition given in this regard?

Don't even get me started on youth development.

I admire his courage and determination but I'm sorry to say that what he has done has caused a lot more harm than good for the sport.
 

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Somebody from Singapur naturally does not know that we happen to have a European Union here. It's not a Bosman, it's EU. Clubs broke EU rules, and Bosman just took it to court, and naturally he won. Works in every other field as well, not just ain football.

So if you wanna have a discussion, then discuss about EU principles.
 

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So if you wanna have a discussion, then discuss about EU principles.
I thought this discussion is with regards to how much the EU verdict has affected football, and if so, for better or for worse.

Bosman was the one who brought it to court. If he didn't, then we would never have had to put up with all these modern football-related consequences.
 

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I thought this discussion is with regards to how much the EU verdict has affected football, and if so, for better or for worse.

Bosman was the one who brought it to court. If he didn't, then we would never have had to put up with all these modern football-related consequences.
Bosman defended his rights as a citizen. A football player is a worker, a special worker, but a worker after all. Don't think about the mega-stars only, also about the players of lower divisions.

For example, Nacho Novo, the Rangers striker. He only played in the Spanish lower cathegories and he was brave travelling to Scotland looking for a better future and he achieved it.

I don't know why a football player should have less rights than any other worker. I don't deny that the clubs of smaller leagues lose important players, but the Bosman act has been great for the European players, for all of them, because they all have many opportunities to play football. It's not only reduced to their own countries.

The consequences of the Bosman law are good for the football players, so it is good after all. It has increased the power of the big leagues over the small ones, but it didn't change much what we had before. Before Bosman, England, Italy, Spain and Germany had ruled Europe too and they also had the best football players back then.

About losing the identity of the clubs. That depends on the own phylosophy of the club. Did Athletic Club get affected by Bosman? No, they keep playing with Basque players. Barça had a time that we had 8 or 9 Dutch players, but it was our choice, no one forced us to do it. It's true that we lost part of our identity, but it was OUR mistake, not Bosman's or EU's mistake. Now, we have more than 10 Catalan players in our squad, because we realized that this is the best choice for our club.

If the Chelsea or the Arsenal fans are mad for having so many foreigners, they should blame their owners, not Bosman. This is their choice.

So keeping the tradition of the club must be the goal of the management of that club. Barça realized that they had to invest in the youth system and we got the results. Athletic Club does it too and they have results, giving the opportunity to many young Basque players like Yeste, Iraola, Del Horno, etc.

I don't know how angry the Arsenal, Chelsea or Milan fans are for having the foreigners, but the only truth is that Bosman is not the one to blame for it. He only defended his rights.
 

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"EU principles" shouldn't have anything to do with football, since football is a unique industry. I'm not fond of the way those chumps are constantly interfering with football. Like the whole transfers situation.

When the Bosman thing happened, I was worried that football would suffer, but it has become just another part of the game. In fact, players are allowed more freedom whilst clubs can still control their contract dealings. It's probably fair for all involved, if clubs don't want to lose players for no fee, then they now have reason to get them signed up earlier. It's not pleasant if a good player simply sits out his contract at his club so he can move where he wants and his club get no fee, but it's in the clubs' hands to deal with it before it becomes a problem.

Now that I think about it, it's hard to imagine a situation where a player's deal runs out and he isn't allowed to move clubs.
 

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2. Better quality football in the to leagues, with a more interesting mix of players and nationalities. What would Serie A be without foreign wing players? What would La Liga be without a supply of South American players? What would EPL be without dutch and french players?
Well, Spain has also taken profit of the Bosman Law, but the case of the South American players is different. Spain already had a special treatment with all the South American countries (including Brazil) for having a common history for centuries, so it's really easy for them to achieve the Spanish nationality. For example, Ronaldinho has already started the process to get the Spanish nationality. Besides, many people there have Spanish relatives and that makes it easier. We've had South American players since long ago before Bosman.
 
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