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Who do you think are the biggest clubs in England? And how do you base size?

I base it on, trophies won, squad, fanbase, stadium, money, history, fame.

I'd stick it like this

1. Man united :(
2. Liverpool
3. Arsenal
4. Spurs
5. Newcastle
6. Chelsea
7. Villa
8. Leeds
9. Man City
10. Everton
11. West Ham
12. Sunderland
13. Charlton
14. Wolves

Come back to this later ;)

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First thing I'd change is to put Everton higher, along with West Ham and Wolves.

Chelsea should definatly be lower, perhaps Man City too.
 

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Charlton should not be there; for example, Sunderland are far more deserving.
 
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Liverpool and Manure are the biggest clubs in England. Who's biggest depends on what you judge by. after them it's Arsenal.
 
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In total history:

1. Liverpool
2. Manchester United
3. Nottingham forest

Last 10 years:

1. Manchester United
2. Arsenal
3. Chelsea / Newcastle United
 

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Vinnie 1983 said:
3. Nottingham forest
This being the same Nottingham Forest that has amassed a total of 1 League championship, compared to Arsenal's 12? There's more to history than the number of European Cups a team has won. :rolleyes:

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I think this should be done on how fashoinable a club is, so I'd go with:

Man Utd
Liverpool
Chelsea
Arsenal
Newcastle
Leeds
Possibly Villa
Blackburn
Liverpool and fashionable just don't go in the same sentence at this moment in time. And Chelsea are not fashionable; they're just loaded.
 

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Bastin said:
This being the same Nottingham Forest that has amassed a total of 1 League championship, compared to Arsenal's 12? There's more to history than the number of European Cups a team has won. :rolleyes:

Yeah get that crap out of the list:)
 

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As Teams still make most of their turnover from gates I think maybe the team with the biggest gate should be though of as biggest team.

If you was to say give a 100,000 seat stadium to every club...

Man United apparently could sell 100,000 tickets every game I read, so they would be first!

Arsenal sell out every game even crap uefa games and midweek micky mouse cup games which Liverpool and Newcastle don`t every time so they will be 2nd with say 80,000 every game.

Then it gets tricky......

Newcastle and Liverpool will be a close third I think for fans with 70,000 average.

Chelsea 60,000.
Tottenham 50,000
Man City 50,000
Leeds 45,000
Everton 45,000
I think the likes of Birmingham and Wolves along with even Southampton and Leicster who sell out their 32,000 stadiums every week could also be as high as 40,000.

I dunno I`m just guessing :)
 

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City would get more.

36000 season ticket holders
12000 members
10000 match day holders

Thats easily 58000, plus away fans.

I bet spurs'd get more. Chelsea wouldn't, £42 a ticket would put too many off.

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There is nothing spectacular about Chelsea's outfits though :eek:
I think the Nike designs look much more dynamic :)

Umbro aren't bad :/. I should imagine Nike or Adidas will sweep up the rights for 2005/2006 season though.

But the design of the shiirts are nice, the home is reversible... the away, is quality with the stripe down the middle and our 3rd is a lovely shade of midnight blue ;).
 

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How big a club is depends on a lot of things, already mentioned but press coverage and advertising are important too. This is how Man Utd sell shirts all over the World.

My list....

1. Man United (Most Famous, great Marketing. Most success recently)
2. Liverpool (Most succesful English club)
3. Arsenal(Good history and recent success)
4.Chelsea( A good recent run and lots of dough have revived the club.)
5.A Villa ( Good past but lack of money and internal rifts mean a repeat of the past is unlikely)
6.Everton ( Again a great past but unlikely to be repeated)
7.Newcastle ( Loads of fans and a revival in the last decade, good past)
8.Spurs ( A good record in the cups but living on past successes)
9.Leeds ( Lack of money after overspending casting a shadow over past exploits)
10.Man City ( Won nothing in 27 years:( :( :( Take those years away though:tongue: )
11. West Ham. (Another under achieving club. )
12. Sunderland. (Not much trophies to speak of, but loads of fans )
 

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I think Arsenal reached those fame status it has now when it won the double in 97-98 and became a permanent competitor with Man Utd. Before that, Arsenal always played UEFA Cup or Cup Winners Cup and was usually striding for 5th or 4th place in the premiership. Now, also with some world-class starts, it's image has increased dramatically I think. But I think they need to win the Champions League first in order to become the ultimate cream of the crop of European teams like Real Madrid, Juve, Milan, Inter, Man Utd, Bayern, and not at the moment, but potentially Barca and Ajax.
 
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