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TOP 250 provisional rank:

1.Erico PAR 2.Trautmann GER 3.J.Lozano ESP 4.Onnis ARG 5.Bonga Bonga DCO 6.Blankenburg GER 7.Di Bartolomei ITA 8.Gabi ESP 9. Arteta ESP 10. Fedotov URS

11.Bruce ENG 12.Palop ESP 13.Jorge Alberto Mendonca POR 14.Celso BRA 15.Gunnar Andersson SWE 16.Fabio Cudicini ITA 17.Lukic ENG 18.Book ENG 19.G.Hodgson RSA 20.S.Rossi ITA

21.Luiz Vinicio BRA 22.Virdis ITA 23.S.Klos GER 24.Hesp HOL 25.Fahrmann GER 26.Von Heesen GER 27.Anderson Luis Carvalho-Nene BRA 28.Di Canio ITA 29.Ailton BRA 30.Case ENG

31.V.Gudelj BIH 32.Malbranque FRA 33.K.Campbell ENG 34.R.V.Amarilla ESP 35.M.Jones EQG 36.W.Caballero ARG 37.Carlo Cudicini ITA 38.Modeste FRA 39.Poy ARG 40.Marcos Alonso ESP

41.Alex Teixeira BRA 42.Raffael de Araujo BRA 43.Claudio Olinto de Carvalho-Nene BRA 44.Xabi Prieto ESP 45.Ismael FRA 46.Distin FRA 47.L.Perrin FRA 48.Roque Olsen ARG 49.Holdsworth ENG 50.Fritz Walter II GER

51.Mario De Castro BRA 52.Halliday SCO 53.McGovern SCO 54.D.Mortimer ENG 55.Cane Jarbas Faustinho BRA 56.Sergio Clerici BRA 57.Emerson Moises BRA 58.A Meier GER 59.Lincoln BRA 60.Conca ARG
61.M. Zarate ARG 62.Pop Robson ENG 63.K.Swain ENG 64.A.Rowley ENG 65.Humberto Monteiro BRA 66.Hubner ITA 67.Miguel Angel Longo ARG 68.Johnston AUS 69.Nzonzi DCO 70. Andriey Starostin URS
71.Berardi ITA 72.K.McNaught SCO 73.P.Cannavaro ITA 74.Wittkamp GER 75.R.Cravero ITA 76.Niepieklo GER 77.F. Funkel GER 78.Douglas BRA 79. M. Badenes ESP 80. Mariano Ferreira BRA
81.R.Taddei BRA 82.Isaias BRA 83.Ian Bowyer ENG 84.Lusenhoff ARG 85.Carlos Martinez ESP 86.Fink GER 87.Jules Sbroglia FRA 88.Witeczek GER 89.Delapenha JAM 90.Zuviria ARG
91.H.Kendall ENG 92.G.Pardoe ENG 93. Charlie Wayman ENG 94.J.Soriano ESP 95.Morfeo ITA 96.Schoenmaker HOL 97.Lourenco POR 98.Uriel Fernandez Teleco BRA 99.Stuart RSA 100.Nieuwenhuys RSA
101.Hilton BRA 102.Pancho Gonzales ARG 103. Roy Swinbourne ENG 104.Ron Harris ENG 105.Humpal CSR 106.Laporte FRA 107.Lorenzo Bettini ITA 108.Carlos Zanata BRA 109. A.Larrazabal ESP 110.Julio Cesar Benitez URU
111. Steven Taylor ENG 112. G. Rohr GER 113.H. Buhtz GER 114.Derlei BRA 115.E. Njo Lea CMR 116.M.Bender GER 117.S.Iliyin URS 118.Paul Davis ENG 119.A.Lucarelli ITA 120.Dobbing ENG
121.A.Colombo ITA 122.Kree GER 123. Ganz ITA 124.R. Buso ITA 125.Sibarra ARG 126. Branca ITA 127.Bruscolotti ITA 128.Lushta ALB 129.Paulinho Cascavel BRA 130. Saponara ITA
131.Fernando BRA 132.Allan BRA 133.Matuzalem BRA 134. Rodrigo Lima dos Santos BRA 135 D.Atkinson ENG 136.Sekou Toure CIV 137.Sibierski FRA 138.Matias Silvestre ARG 139. Protti ITA 140.Martin Herrera ARG
141.Ballestreros ESP 142.Kryeziu ALB 143.D.Parejo ESP 144..Klimowicz ARG 145. Nachtweih GDR 146.Hengbart FRA 147. Ceballos ESP 148.F.Gotz GDR 149.Ben Yedder FRA 150.Bonds ENG
151.Lorant GER 152.Iborra ESP 153.Lodi ITA 154.Chris Fairclough ENG 155.Coke ESP 156.Jimmy Glazzard ENG 157.Alejandro Dominguez ARG 158.Poschner GER 159.Delgado Melo ESP 160. F.Romano ITA
161.Kums BEL 162.T.Horn GER 163. U.Kamps GER 164.W. Schaefer GER 165.Vycpalek CSR 166.Juan Carlos Morrone ARG 167.Puel FRA 168.Martiradonna ITA 169.O.De Marcos ESP 170.Dalmat FRA
171.Caveglia FRA 172. Kulik GER 173.Horsmann GER 174.L.Brundl GER 175.C.Armstrong ENG 176. Mick Lyons ENG 177.Oleguer ESP 178. Bramble ENG 179. Dicks ENG 180. C.Austin ENG
181. S.Hofmann GER 182.Lehnhoff GER 183.Maxi Lopez ARG 184.F.Marcal BRA 185.Prats ESP 186.Coton ENG 187.Wendel G.M. De Silva BRA 188. Nayim ESP 189. Pennant ENG 190.Brio ITA
191.Hilaire ENG 192.Briaschi ITA 193. Roger Garcia ESP 194. Matias Delgado ARG 195. Llanil Simes ARG 196. Ederson Moraes BRA 197. Almunia ESP 198.G.Shaw ENG 199.Adesvaldo Lima BRA 200. Ruben Castro ESP
201.Ogrizovic ENG 202. Garzya ITA 203.Kombouare FRA 204.Coquelin FRA 205.Johanessen RSA 206. Monterrubio FRA 207.Walemme FRA 208.Eric Parsons ENG 209. L.Chapman ENG 210.E.Sikora FRA
211.Jaro ESP 212. Wendell BRA 213. Madinabeyitia ARG 214. Verdu ESP 215.Francisco Lima BRA 216.Matias Suarez ARG 217.Jack Allen ENG 218.Tanasi FRA 219.Benjamin Santos ARG 220.Pablo Batalla ARG
221.Luciano Eriberto BRA 222.A.Chandler ENG 223.Ballotta ITA 224.Iraizoz ESP 225. Speroni ARG 226.B.Cauet FRA 227.Danilo Larangeira BRA 228.H.Kugler GER 229. Durix FRA 230. Frank Clark ENG
231. Villaverde URU 232. Joazinho BRA 233. M.Bodmer FRA 234.George Armstrong ENG 235.Thereau FRA 236.M.Cervantes ESP 237.Benedetto ARG 238.S.Almiron ARG 239.B.Carbone ITA 240.Trashorras ESP
241.Marcelo Guedes BRA 242. Olmeta FRA 243.G.Sertic FRA 244.Javi Varas ESP 245. Sansonetti FRA 246. Luccin FRA 247.Rulli ARG 248.Konko FRA 249.Jomo Sono RSA 250 Meza Ivankovich CRC

and HM from countries:

POR- ...... D. Kennedy, Mario Rui
POL - Turowski, Kruszynski, L.Wolski, Famula, Mandziejewicz, Tobollik, Jozef Klose, K.Surlit, M.Majka, Pieszko, Topolski, Lerch, Waligora, Rother, Marek Beben, Piotr Lech, E. Herman, Pogrzeba, Chalaskiewicz, Bajger
YUG- Seles, S.Stojanovic, S.Cerin
DAN- Bjerregaard
AUT - Powolny
ROU- Oblamenco
CRO- M.Kovacevic
PAR - ...... Juan Carlos Lezcano Lopez, Orlando Gimenez, Francisco Gonzales
PER- Sigi Martinez
NGA- Onyekuru, Ogunsoto, Kayode
SER- Radovic
RUS - Belenov
GDR - J.Pahl
MLI- Omar Barrou, Almamy Toure
AUS- C.Johnston
RSA- ...........S.Mokone, Ngcobo, K.Motaung, E.B.Scara Sono, Dladla, D.Smethurst, Connell, Kadi
GUI- Amadou Diawara
JAM - ....... L.Bailey
TOG - Djibril Karimou
CAN- Cowan, Crossan
CPV- Abel
BEN- Dangbeto
MOZ - V.Nogueira
SAL- Saprissa-Ayma
GNB - Bobo Djalo, Forbs
THA- Prommayon
CHA - Al Habo, Kartoteka
PRK- Han Kwang-song
CUB- Inxauti Goitia, Miro
LYB- Bezyou
LIE- R.Hasler
BUR - Tchite
TAN- Said
PUE- Ordonez Muguira
PLE- Al Zarqa
SKN - Walwyn
IND- M.Salim
NCL- Lautoa, Taua
AND- Basagana Soto
MSR - Comley
PAK - D.Sallam
VIN - Kelly
YEM- Ali Omar
BIZ - Hulse, Anderson
BAN- Khaton
SOM- Quilnela
LAO- Ketkeophomphone
DMA- Cooke
TIM- Alfaia
 

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Interesting rankings. Perrin 47th is definitely one of those I'd have named, he should be higher than Malbranque or Distin IMO.

Sertic 243th is a strange choice, as he chose Croatia NT (even though he's never played with this team I think).
 

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Signorini is often mentioned, after ADiBa and Virdis.

Interesting with Johnny Bjerregaard. I'm trying to think of other Danes, since professional players were barred from the Danish NT until the late 1970s (and there were no pro clubs in Denmark at the time)...

Of course, many were launched for a career abroad after appearing in the Olympic teams in 1948 and 1960, but that counted as full International games at the time.
 

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The reason of so many excellent players in the 70s and 80s who didn't get a chance (or very few chances) can be easily found in the quality of the Italian players of the 70/80s, but above all in the choices of Bearzot, who didn't like dualisms to be created (mostly by media) and prefered to call up 11 players whose starting spot had to be indisputable, with reserves who had to accept being reserves until he didn't need them. It surely was a winning choice in 1982. Not so winning later, when Bearzot should have considered moving on, but went on with the same players as if he owed them a debt of gratitude and couldn't behave otherwise.
 

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I didn't realise that neither Di Canio nor Carbone had gotten a game, even though of course they went to the UK at a time when not much attention was paid to players abroad.

It reminds of the CM games btw, where players would often be described as "former Italy u21 international xx" in the fictional news updates. Sort of a backhanded compliment really.
 

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Discussion Starter #15 (Edited)
CORRECTED:

* Out :
- (debut NT after 08.2017) :
Caballero, Marcos Alonso, (miss. Milinkovic-Savic) , Nzonzi, Berardi, Ben Yedder, Allan, D. Parejo, Ceballos, Ederson, Benedetto, Rulli,
and Mario Rui, Onyekuru, Bailey, Han Kwang-song
- and ? ? ? ...

* in TOP 250:
- Bast GER, Filippi ITA, Hugh Ferguson SCO, Joe Hayes ENG, S.Haller FRA, Ismaily BRA, F. Superchi ITA, Ulreich GER, Piotti ITA, Signorini ITA, Garella ITA, Fernando Pacheco ESP, Hoogma HOL, John Campbell I SCO, Evanivaldo Cabinho BRA , Felice Pulici ITA, van Dujinhoven HOL, Willian Jose BRA, P. Max GER, R.Nunez URU, Corini ITA, Greenhoff ENG, Pusceddu ITA

* .maybe 250 :
- Nestor Leonel Scotta ARG, Noble ENG, Deeney ENG, Roberto J. DAlessandro ARG, Rampulla ITA, Feret FRA, Didot FRA, Caligiuri ITA, Balmont FRA, Baticle FRA, van Haaren HOL, van Rooy HOL, Mario Pini URU, Haar HOL, Anzola ESP, J.Ross SCO, N.Ross SCO, Magrin ITA, Regenhardt ARG, Wan Bissaka ENG, Raybould ENG, J.Friedrich GER

* HM:
- Barovero ARG, Fabio Deivson BRA, Adalberto Lopez MEX, Biliskov CRO, Z. Ljubenovic SER, Santiago Silva URU, A.Ponomoryov URS, Blazina YUG, Heinz Schonberger GER, Giuntini ARG, Omar Palma ARG, E.Sala ARG, Marveaux FRA, Kuszman HUN, Sanchez Lage ARG, C.Giuliano ARG, Bevilacqua ARG, Panetti ITA, Cervone ITA, Marcos Grohe BRA, Oscar Basso ARG, Milton Salvador BRA, Dam. Suarez URU, S. Villar URU, Pazzagli ITA, Marcelo Moretto BRA, Marcos Barbosa BRA, Oscar Filho Dica BRA, Talisca BRA, Enderiz URU, Dragan Ilic YUG, Grabban JAM, Zv. Varga YUG , R. Aguirre Suarez ARG, Joao Pedro BRA, Charles Oliveira BRA, Duilio Dias BRA, Bria PAR, Luizinho Lemos BRA, Claudio Adao BRA, Fenoy ARG, Alberto Tino Costa ARG, Jose M. Ferrero ARG, Silvio Romero ARG, Fernando Baiano BRA, Diego Carlos BRA, Castronovo ARG, G. Albella ARG, Artur Moraes BRA ,Leonardo Silva BRA , Jardel Vieira BRA , Mahmutovic BIH, Jose Jorge Gonzales URU, Tele Santana BRA, Nolan ENG, Twayi RSA , Whitson RSA, A.Grimaldo ESP, Siqueira BRA , Savanier FRA, J. L. Morales ESP, Traore ESP, Gabriel Paulista BRA, Casteels BEL, Zamora junior ESP, D.Henderson ENG, Nkunku FRA, J.Campana ESP, J.Jordan ESP, Graelish ENG, M.Dembele FRA, Aouar FRA, Cragno ITA, Defrel FRA, Guaita ESP, Atteveld HOL, Pellerano ARG, Ayoze Perez ESP, A. Fontana ITA (born 1967), Firpo ESP, Gorendiawe NCL, Janda GER, Wehmeyer GER, Beccalossi ITA, Ossola ITA, Pirazzini ITA, Maresca ITA, Dell Anno ITA, Vignola ITA, Colomba ITA, Perry ENG, Cazan ROU, S. Ilie ROU, Emil Walter GER, Nicolas Sanchez ARG, Cano ARG, I. Konate FRA, Upamecano FRA, Gosens GER, Dragowski POL, Malarz POL, R.Gikiewicz POL, Billing DAN
 

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Another bunch of random Italian goalies.
I saw Rampullas name and I had to pause and laugh



Dude was 3rd goalie who couldn't sniff minutes, ofcourse he wont be called up.
 

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I saw Rampullas name and I had to pause and laugh



Dude was 3rd goalie who couldn't sniff minutes, ofcourse he wont be called up.
Rampulla - he was very good in Cremonese in seasons 89/90 (top 15 gkp in Europe) and 91/92, early was good in Italy U-21 and big star Serie B . In Juventus- usually no2 ( 99 caps Juventus - 0.81 conceded per match, for comparison Peruzzi 0.89 conceded per match)
No one is random - this criticism is not substantive
 
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