The four paulistas, four cariocas, two from MG and two gauchos:
São Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Santos, Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Botafogo, Atlético Mineiro, Cruzeiro, Grêmio e Inter.
The other four it's a moment thing: right now, I'd include São Caetano, Atlético Paranaense, Coritiba since they have the best form in the recent years...the other one I'd have to think a lot....maybe Vitória or Ponte Preta....
Historic tradition wise, Bahia would certanily be included.
Botafogo, Fluminense, Flamengo, Vasco da Gama, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Santos, Internacional, Gremio, Atletico Mineiro, Cruzeiro and Bahia would have to be on any list of "most traditional" clubs. So that's 13 clubs right there.
Now, if we were to complete the list with today's most organized and competitive "non-traditional" clubs, we would include Sao Caetano, Atletico Paranaense and Coritiba. However, one could argue that Sao Caetano (a club created less than 20 years ago!) is anything but a "traditional" club, so SC might be substituted by either Ponte Preta, Guarani or Sport (none of which are as competitive as Sao Caetano today, but they're all more 'traditional').
Which means, of course, that I could have simply agreed with Roberto and spared myself the trouble of typing. :wth:
Like Garrincha said Botafogo, Fluminense, Flamengo, Vasco da Gama, Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras, Santos, Internacional, Gremio, Atletico Mineiro, Cruzeiro and Bahia, the original "clube dos treze". I would add to complete 16: Coritiba, Guarani and Sport Recife.
about Inter, Linernit...
if wasnt enough for their team in the 70's which was not just great, but one of the greatest we ever had...
they made 5 finals and won one Brazilian cup. They actually have more finals than Botafogo, Flu, Galo, Cruzeiro, Gremio, Santos and the same of Corinthians, Flamengo, Vasco..if I am not mistaken only Sao Paulo and Palmeiras have more finals than them.
The Brazilian league starts this weekend.
Fluminense x Santos
Flamengo x Atlético
Palmeiras x Vasco
Corinthians x Chapecoense
Cruzeiro x São Paulo
Coritiba x Atlético-GO
Grêmio x Botafogo
Bahia x Atlético-PR
Ponte Preta x Sport
Avaí x Vitória
They had a good...