Ban all english teams !!!!

Remember :

To have a fight it takes two to tango.
In the case of Leeds and Galatasary, the turks picked the fight, and caused the whiplash in Copenhagen, with the MURDER of two football fans. Please do NOT tell us that we are the culprits here.

Please do not patronise us by saying we are one of the only countries to have trouble makers in the crowd. EVERY Country in the world has them (remember Escabar ???, don't tell me .... Scotland fans have never fought over football - Rangers V Celtic
Italian fans have never fought over football - Fiorentina V Juve
There is never any trouble around Mexico and South America over football ??? And they hosted the WC in 86. Italy Hosted it in 90.
The only way to avoid any trouble at matches is to locate trouble makers and potential idiots and ban them from the game. Every country has problems not just the English. It's just a pity that the sick people who go
to games to cause trouble spoil the game for the majority of people who just want to enjoy watching football.

Any thoughts?

Just another point or two. I don't want to risk sounding like I'm preaching here, but I think that as someone rightly said, perhaps the countries need to take more responsibility for their "fans" violence abroad. For example, how often do we hear that the "police were too heavy handed"?? But no talk of the reason why they have to be heavy handed. Clearly if people weren't going around beating the sh*t out of others, there would not be a need for riot police etc.
A specific example of absolutely wrongful blame is the ill-fated international in Dublin in '95 between Ireland and England. After some English hooligans ripped up a portion of Lansdowne Road and stopped the game, the Irish police were blamed for not being heavy handed enough (youcan't win on this one!) and for basically letting it happen. So it's ok to start some violence because it's really the cops fault for not stopping it??? Even the usually sane Alan Hanson expounded on this view on that night. This kind of "it's anyones fault but ours" mentality is not going to help eradicate hooliganism.
Yes, I realise that not only the English fans get involved in violence, but is that an excuse that makes it ok?? Why not follow the example of the Irish, Scottish, Welsh or the English rugby fans and not get involved? All these countries fans will go to matches, get as boozed up as the football hooligans, have a laugh and cause no trouble.
And if you're provoked, is it necessary to get involved? That day in Lansdowne in '95, the Irish fans simply walked away and refused to be provoked.

Yaaaaannnnnn!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you'd like to have the Dutch, Germans fans and teams banned also. There is potiental for violence among those group of fans. So lets ban them. Especially after the German hooligan hitting a French cop in the head and W/C 2000. The Swedes have a small group of real sweathearts that follow the national team, lets ban then also. While were at it lets not forget the turks, those fans aren't innocent and while we're at banning teams, lets also ban the French and the Italians, they don't like each other, and we wouldn't want them fighting with each other in your country, lets also keep Spain and Portugal out, Their fans may hook up, violence may occur. And finally we'll ban Yugoslavia, since the NATO hq is in Brussells, we wouldn't want anything to happen. That leaves Euro 2000 with Belgium, Norway, Czech, Denmark, Romania and Solvenia. Just think Belgium could make it to the semi's with just those teams participating. Boy isn't this post ridculous, Just like your post is ridculous. I don't recall any major violence in Euro 96. If your county can't handle the heat of hosting a major tournment, why in the H*** did they put in their bid. It's called Euro 2000, not the gOD/Belgian invitaional. Like the old say goes, If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen!!!!!!!

I deny it completely, what about all the other games Leeds, Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea played this season? How come there was only violence with the Galatasary hooligans (again not fans, because 95 percent or more are not hooligans)?
So it's not every time an English side plays in Europe. What about last season when UTD won the CL, what about all the Violence that the germans started after the game? People conveniently forget other nations problems and focus on the English. Now I'm not blinkered to say that England has no problem, it does and it needs adressing. But when a post with the title of "Ban all English teams!" comes up it really pi**es me off.
Uefa should have taken the hard line when the initial incident happened, thus discouraging any more violence from the hooligans of every nation.

Shaq, Yep I saw that incident on TV here as well, what is ironic is that my wife and her family (all Americans) had just been telling me it doesn't happen in the USA. They've all since apologised and aknowledged even the US has problems with hooligans in some areas.

As for Cantona he was banned for (I think) about 6 months, also fined the maximum amount possible by his club, and ordered to do I think 100 hours of community service. Personally I think the punishment was deserved, and he took it no problem at all. He was provoked, but aknowledged that he was also at fault!

Shaq, excellent post, and I'm going to pick up on your point about Euro96. At the time I was in England, and I attended several different games (not all including England). There was no violence in and around the Manchester area, and I don't recall any being reported elsewhere around the country. In my home town, I was watching the Excellent England Victory over Holland (4-1 in case any of you have forgotton! ) in a pub full of England fans. There were 5 Germans there who my friends and I sat with after the game, had a great conversation, drank together etc. There was also 2 Dutch people in there, and sure they were goaded, but it was all in good fun, and they took it that way as well.
Anyway, when England met Germany in the Semi's I was in the same pub, and the German contingent had doubled to about 10 compared to 125 or more English fans. There was not one sign of any trouble, the Germans sat singing their songs, and the English joined in.
My point is that there was no police presence in that pub, where people were drinking to excess, and there was no trouble at all.