Ok, I've just come home from 5 days of Easter holliday back in my hometown. My littlebrothers computer had gotten infected with a virus, and thus I didn't get a chance to see what was going on here.
Imagine my surprise reading through SO many posts where Juve and Lazio fans took shots at one another (at both forums) after SO many relatively quiet weeks.
There has been too many topics for me to have the energi to reply to them all tonight, because I'm pretty tired.
But here goes the general one.
1- JUHU- we beat Fiorentina. It was scrappy, it was lucky, it was 3 points, it was important. I'm happy with that.
2- Juventus haven't played inspiring this season. Other teams has had periods in which they've played better than we have. Occasionally we have played REAL quality football, but over the entire season I can't say I'm thrilled. As Terry pointed out elsewhere, I think it has been a general problem in serie A this season. Lazio has had inspiring matches, but mainly in the beginning where Veron rocked the boat in superior fashion. Parma has had two streaks where their football was very good. Roma has occasionally played the best football in the league. The Milan teams... One step forward- two steps back.
Would I prefer Juventus playing more creative football AND winning ? YES!
Would I prefer Juve playing more creative and NOT winning ? NO!
That's the honest thruth.
To give an example: Barcelona is, on their day, unbeatable. Their game is fantastic to watch. They score goals in numbers, they have great individual skill, and they've lost 11 or 12 games (I think) this season in the Primera!!!!!!! All odds say that Deportivo will take the title, eventhough Barca is the better team.
In Italy only two teams can take the title. Lazio has possibly played the better football, but we'll win (not certain yet, but that's the way it looks) because we have been the more consistent side. Not because Del Piero scores 8 penalties, but because we generally control our games in midfield.
I believe it was AMOROSO who said something along the same lines elsewhere.
Being a Juventus fan, and carying alot for the final scoreline (the 3 points) I'm generally very excited watching Juve. Every team gain in spectacle if You're a fan of them. Thus I don't see Juve with as negative eyes as other fans. Lazio fans finds less flaws with their teams than I do etc. etc. etc.
I'm not going to object to other people telling me that Juve hasn't been creative- some even deeming them outright boring. I don't quiet understand it, but if that's their observance- so be it.
The only things I object to is the thing about who deserves what. If we stay ahead of Lazio- we deserve to win this scudetto. That's my point. Last season I could be REALLY objective saying that I'd rather see Lazio win than Milan, but at the same time, I think Milan deserved their glory, because after 34 matchdays- they had more points.
The only thing that infuriates me is the bribe/ref. allegations.
Sadly I didn't have the opportunity to see the Juve- Fiorentina game, but I understand that Viola was robbed of a penalty. Obviously that's always unfair, and that situation is one among a handfull- TOPS- this season. Can I justify these incidents ? NO! Does it matter that 2 of the 3 penalty's that has actually been given against us should not have been called ? Not really.
Does decisions going for/against Juve attract more attention than with ANY other team? YES! Is it sometimes impressive how short other teams fans memory is counting episodes going against AND in favor of THEIR teams ? YES!
Many times I've said, that it's NOT impossible that some refs. are biased towards Juve. Generally we've had more good than bad luck over the years, but that goes for every single team that has won alot in Europe. Their fame and the magnitude of their renommé gives them an edge. That is not my fault, any Juve fans fault and certainly not the team Juventus' fault.
It can be a drag for other teams no doubt, but I will not hessitate to say, that many times it's simply too easy to take shots in our direction and completely neglect the times "fortune" goes in their direction.
I was quoted to have said that Pippo had only dived 3 times this season somewhere. I don't recall by whom, but I've NEVER said that it was more than twice. That's too much just the same and it's against the idea of the game. But it happens and EVERY single team has players who do it, and sometimes they succed. Not many try as often as Pippo- GO AHEAD AND HATE HIM THEN!!! But it has nothing to do with the referees. If they fell for it over and over.... OK, but it's two (2) times, that he has "succeded", we've not been awarded more penalties than any other of the topteams, and we've had as many players thrown out as the others. We are certainly not being persecuted by the refs. , but those who claim that they're the reason we might very well win makes me angry.
3- JUVE/LAZIO fans.
I will not participate in any mud throwing. I spend alot of time there, and I have a problem with only one/two Lazio fan/s.
Generally I feel that there's alot of heat right now, because it's tight and Lo scudetto is being decided. People are getting carried away sometimes, and since we're all fans, it's pretty easy too see why.
My request will be the same as always.
Juve fans: Do not go to other forums with the intend to thash other people/teams. When You post, post like Zen9 did at the Lazio board. It makes little or no sense to write a topic when all You'll be getting back is angry comments. If the post is relevant and written in the proper tone it will always be respected by the people it was aimed at. Some might take offense anyway, but that doesn't matter. If we all strive to confine ourselves to the intention of this messageboard, it won't be our/Your fault.
I'm not telling ANYBODY off here- most of You behave Yourselves accordingly, and many of You have been here long enough to know excactly how it works. This is only general stuff.
Fans from other teams: Same goes for every visitor here at the Juve forum.
If something is deleted and You think I'm too vigouris in deleting provocative or just simply anti-Juve material, know that I will delete EVERY topic I do not believe has a constructive element in it.
What am I hinting at here ?
Every topic that can be debated is interesting to me. Svennis and AMOROSO once again points out that they think Juve is a boring side. Fair enough I can discuss that. There's substance to it, and they can do it without disrespecting Juve and us too much.
Going against individuals or one particular club is bad taste in my opinion, unless someone provokes it themselves.
Now can we PLEASE get back to a merrier attitude around here ?
Ciao.
Imagine my surprise reading through SO many posts where Juve and Lazio fans took shots at one another (at both forums) after SO many relatively quiet weeks.
There has been too many topics for me to have the energi to reply to them all tonight, because I'm pretty tired.
But here goes the general one.
1- JUHU- we beat Fiorentina. It was scrappy, it was lucky, it was 3 points, it was important. I'm happy with that.
2- Juventus haven't played inspiring this season. Other teams has had periods in which they've played better than we have. Occasionally we have played REAL quality football, but over the entire season I can't say I'm thrilled. As Terry pointed out elsewhere, I think it has been a general problem in serie A this season. Lazio has had inspiring matches, but mainly in the beginning where Veron rocked the boat in superior fashion. Parma has had two streaks where their football was very good. Roma has occasionally played the best football in the league. The Milan teams... One step forward- two steps back.
Would I prefer Juventus playing more creative football AND winning ? YES!
Would I prefer Juve playing more creative and NOT winning ? NO!
That's the honest thruth.
To give an example: Barcelona is, on their day, unbeatable. Their game is fantastic to watch. They score goals in numbers, they have great individual skill, and they've lost 11 or 12 games (I think) this season in the Primera!!!!!!! All odds say that Deportivo will take the title, eventhough Barca is the better team.
In Italy only two teams can take the title. Lazio has possibly played the better football, but we'll win (not certain yet, but that's the way it looks) because we have been the more consistent side. Not because Del Piero scores 8 penalties, but because we generally control our games in midfield.
I believe it was AMOROSO who said something along the same lines elsewhere.
Being a Juventus fan, and carying alot for the final scoreline (the 3 points) I'm generally very excited watching Juve. Every team gain in spectacle if You're a fan of them. Thus I don't see Juve with as negative eyes as other fans. Lazio fans finds less flaws with their teams than I do etc. etc. etc.
I'm not going to object to other people telling me that Juve hasn't been creative- some even deeming them outright boring. I don't quiet understand it, but if that's their observance- so be it.
The only things I object to is the thing about who deserves what. If we stay ahead of Lazio- we deserve to win this scudetto. That's my point. Last season I could be REALLY objective saying that I'd rather see Lazio win than Milan, but at the same time, I think Milan deserved their glory, because after 34 matchdays- they had more points.
The only thing that infuriates me is the bribe/ref. allegations.
Sadly I didn't have the opportunity to see the Juve- Fiorentina game, but I understand that Viola was robbed of a penalty. Obviously that's always unfair, and that situation is one among a handfull- TOPS- this season. Can I justify these incidents ? NO! Does it matter that 2 of the 3 penalty's that has actually been given against us should not have been called ? Not really.
Does decisions going for/against Juve attract more attention than with ANY other team? YES! Is it sometimes impressive how short other teams fans memory is counting episodes going against AND in favor of THEIR teams ? YES!
Many times I've said, that it's NOT impossible that some refs. are biased towards Juve. Generally we've had more good than bad luck over the years, but that goes for every single team that has won alot in Europe. Their fame and the magnitude of their renommé gives them an edge. That is not my fault, any Juve fans fault and certainly not the team Juventus' fault.
It can be a drag for other teams no doubt, but I will not hessitate to say, that many times it's simply too easy to take shots in our direction and completely neglect the times "fortune" goes in their direction.
I was quoted to have said that Pippo had only dived 3 times this season somewhere. I don't recall by whom, but I've NEVER said that it was more than twice. That's too much just the same and it's against the idea of the game. But it happens and EVERY single team has players who do it, and sometimes they succed. Not many try as often as Pippo- GO AHEAD AND HATE HIM THEN!!! But it has nothing to do with the referees. If they fell for it over and over.... OK, but it's two (2) times, that he has "succeded", we've not been awarded more penalties than any other of the topteams, and we've had as many players thrown out as the others. We are certainly not being persecuted by the refs. , but those who claim that they're the reason we might very well win makes me angry.
3- JUVE/LAZIO fans.
I will not participate in any mud throwing. I spend alot of time there, and I have a problem with only one/two Lazio fan/s.
Generally I feel that there's alot of heat right now, because it's tight and Lo scudetto is being decided. People are getting carried away sometimes, and since we're all fans, it's pretty easy too see why.
My request will be the same as always.
Juve fans: Do not go to other forums with the intend to thash other people/teams. When You post, post like Zen9 did at the Lazio board. It makes little or no sense to write a topic when all You'll be getting back is angry comments. If the post is relevant and written in the proper tone it will always be respected by the people it was aimed at. Some might take offense anyway, but that doesn't matter. If we all strive to confine ourselves to the intention of this messageboard, it won't be our/Your fault.
I'm not telling ANYBODY off here- most of You behave Yourselves accordingly, and many of You have been here long enough to know excactly how it works. This is only general stuff.
Fans from other teams: Same goes for every visitor here at the Juve forum.
If something is deleted and You think I'm too vigouris in deleting provocative or just simply anti-Juve material, know that I will delete EVERY topic I do not believe has a constructive element in it.
What am I hinting at here ?
Every topic that can be debated is interesting to me. Svennis and AMOROSO once again points out that they think Juve is a boring side. Fair enough I can discuss that. There's substance to it, and they can do it without disrespecting Juve and us too much.
Going against individuals or one particular club is bad taste in my opinion, unless someone provokes it themselves.
Now can we PLEASE get back to a merrier attitude around here ?
Ciao.
but it is more fun that way, in my opinion!!!!!!!!
