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I haven't been paying attention at all, but seemingly it hasn't been completely shut down by the EU and FIFA/UEFA is still working with the scenario.

Ultimately, from a Juventus point of view this would be spectacular, and I think so too from an Italian one.

However, apart from discussing the actualities of what's going on, we might also discuss the fairness of it. No doubt it is part being pushed because of English dominance, but the money thing that is behind this really is also something the English teams and the league should be credited for. They made changes that made football profitable and a major draw there - just as they marketed their league much better. Those changes have not been made in Italy for instance.

This doesn't mean I don't principally like teams to carry some reflection of the nation they hail from. Whatever quota it is in.

In the words of the great Abu - what do you think, please discuss :).
- and remember to share news about this proposal when you find it.
 

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Last i heard it was still dead in the water, AFAIK there's no way to circumvent the freedom of work for people in the EU zone. No other sports league has this type of system either.

As for the fairness of it, i think it's a silly idea to effectively force clubs to play a certain number of players from their own home country, in this day and age. It's meddling with the free market, if English players were for example good enough in great enough numbers to naturally fulfill a 6+5 type quota then fine. But regulating that they have to be part of the equation is backward.

However it's also ridiculous for clubs such as Arsenal and Inter to have fielded exclusively foreign line ups as they have in the past. A lot of the pressure has also stemmed from the national associations who think the international game in is jeopardy if the trend to disregard local talent in favour of foreign imports.

It's about balance, the type that many top teams have been able to achieve on their own prerogative and at their own discretion. Man Utd, Liverpool, Juve, Milan, Real, Barca, have always had a native presence despite being at the top of the game. There's no reason why that can't continue without outside intervention.
 

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Thanks Oscar!

Interesting.... and because of being on a spamming quest today, here's the article for those lazy enough to not click the link:


Fifa's 6+5 rule does not conflict with EU law, claims report

• Independent body says move is 'merely a rule of the game'
• Conclusions could also apply to other team sports

Fifa's plans to limit the number of foreign players do not breach European Union rules, an independent report declared today. The 6+5 rule has been overwhelmingly approved by 155 of the organisation's member nations, but dismissed as illegal by the European Commission and most EU governments because they say it amounts to discrimination at work and a restriction on the free movement of workers.

Now the Institute for European Affairs (Inea), commissioned by Fifa to study the issue, claims the idea of restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers.

"There is no conflict with European law," the Inea chairman, Professor Jürgen Gramke, told a press conference in Brussels. He insisted the report, although commissioned by Fifa, was entirely independent. "We took no instructions from Fifa," he added. "Inea accepted this commission on condition that our requirements of complete independence were met."

The report says that, under EU law, the "regulatory autonomy" of sporting associations is recognised and supported. "The key aim of the 6+5 rule in the view of the experts is the creation and assurance of sporting competition. The 6+5 rule does not impinge on the core area of the right to freedom of movement. The rule is merely a rule of the game declared in the general interest of sport in order to improve the sporting balance between clubs and associations."

Fifa endorsed the rule in May last year, but six months later EU ministers said it clearly broke EU rules. The 6+5 rule established that at the start of each match, a club must field at least six players who would be eligible for the national team of the country of the club.

But there would be no limit on substitutes and no limit on the number of non-national players that clubs can sign.

Today's report says that, at worst, the 6+5 rule could constitute "indirect discrimination" because "it is not directly based on the nationality of professional players".

Instead it "merely considers entitlement to play for the national team concerned, and any possible indirect discrimination can be defended on the basis of compelling reasons of general interest".

Quota systems and rules limiting foreign players in football were outlawed in the Bosman case in 1995. The Bosman judgment had a dramatic effect on football, said today's report, opening up the use of foreign players to such a degree that up to 56% of national league players are now not eligible to play for the national team of the league in which they play. In addition, up to half of the foreign players are non-European. This development discourages young indigenous footballing talent, because clubs can recruit fully trained players from elsewhere, often cheaper, the report points out.

It says the central aim of the 6+5 rule is to generate and safeguard sporting competition, and its goal is best summed up as "sport should remain sport".

Gramke said the report's conclusions justifying the compatibility of the 6+5 rule with EU law also applied to other team sports such as handball, basketball and ice hockey.

"It has an important protective function for the whole of international sport, so that sport can remain sport," he said.

The findings will bolster Fifa's challenge to the European Commission and governments to recognise the 6+5 rule.

A Fifa spokesman said the report would form the basis of fresh talks with commission officials, including the employment commissioner, Vladimir Spidla. The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season and the commission is currently equally determined to block him.

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Still three seasons out in any case. But it would cause quite a bit change in terms of competitiveness levels among the major leagues.
 

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Interesting article. Though I still don't think the European commission will give up on this issue.

Today's report says that, at worst, the 6+5 rule could constitute "indirect discrimination" because "it is not directly based on the nationality of professional players".

Instead it "merely considers entitlement to play for the national team concerned, and any possible indirect discrimination can be defended on the basis of compelling reasons of general interest".
Sounds like a weak excuse to me, I am no lawyer though, so who knows...

As for the fiarness angle - I don't think it's really fair, since it gives players born in Italy, England, Spain, etc, a much easier path to a high salary than the rest, and from the clubs point of view, gives those who concentrate on local talent an advantage over the likes of Inter, Arsenal, etc. But football is not fair right now too, and it will help even out somewhat the ever increasing economic gap between the EPL and the rest, which would make the CL more competitive.
 

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Still three seasons out in any case. But it would cause quite a bit change in terms of competitiveness levels among the major leagues.
Yes, undoubtedly.
But the three year plan is the key in discussing this, lest it turn into a mindless roll call of which clubs would qualify today. What a useless waste of time. As is urged in the second article Glen provides, adapting is necessary, and there's not a big club in any of the leagues that wouldn't go to great lengths to make sure they're within bounds by the time any rule would be applied. Some will have it easier than others, but that's obvious and besides the point.
 

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So, you'll have the SAS invade Basque Country and declare it part of the realm :D ?
Mikel is eligible for England this year, now we already have Almunia and Walcott, so just three more to find.
 

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I don't see it happening - the powers that be won't allow it. Even if it did come, they would phase it in VERY slowly - i.e over 3-5 years. That would give the EPL teams more than enough time to put some local talent in their squads. Having said that, I would have to bet that the Italian teams would have the better domestic talent.

It will end up driving the price up for good importeed players. So rather than having 11 top quality imports, they can only have 5 - so expect the really big players to make more.
 

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Thanks Oscar!

Interesting.... and because of being on a spamming quest today, here's the article for those lazy enough to not click the link:


Fifa's 6+5 rule does not conflict with EU law, claims report

• Independent body says move is 'merely a rule of the game'
• Conclusions could also apply to other team sports

Fifa's plans to limit the number of foreign players do not breach European Union rules, an independent report declared today. The 6+5 rule has been overwhelmingly approved by 155 of the organisation's member nations, but dismissed as illegal by the European Commission and most EU governments because they say it amounts to discrimination at work and a restriction on the free movement of workers.

Now the Institute for European Affairs (Inea), commissioned by Fifa to study the issue, claims the idea of restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers.
I would think it is a play with words. Word "foreign" is usually used in EU memberstates inner legislation to refer people outside EU. Inside EU, there can't be foreign people, as they are called EU citizens. So the above statement,"restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers", is actually true, but as always, half true. Such rule would be ok with EU law, if we talk about Brazilian or korean players, but inside EU, they are all happily EU citizens, therefor it would break free movement of labor and services and etc
 

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Wasn't this proposal supposed to have been phased in, such as, nine natives the first season, then eight or seven the next season, and so on, until you get to the 6+5? It shouldn't address current contracts too severely, if I recall.

Anyway, I don't like this at all for two reasons.

1- I don't like the political message it sends out "We are United States of Europe, you have free movement and rights, but the minute you become a footballer your movements and rights to work is restricted".

2- Arsene Wenger is right. The crème de la crème will always rise to the top regardless of nationality and ethnicity. If John Bostock was good enough he would cement his spot in the team and take Luka Modric's place. But at the moment he isn't and no 6+5 rubbish will change that.

Next FIFA will be saying 12 out of the 20 top flight managers must be English.
 

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There is a way for Fifa to implement the 6+5 rule into football. All football teams can sign an unlimited amount of foreign footballers but on the pitch only five can play. So that way it doesn't conflict with what the EU is saying because technically all foreigners are still free to move to any FIFA approved football club.
 

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Hmmm, i'm not sure of the legal fine print, but i think that EU nationals would still make the claim that it impedes them, because there would be an artificial barrier in place to the amount of their playing time (re: work hours) they'd be allowed to be put in.

I think FIFA's proposal hinges mainly on whether they can make football an exception to the rule. If they can't, everything falls by the wayside.

It's a stupid way to do business anyway, clubs will just find loopholes such as recruiting foreign talent at a younger age and integrating them into their youth academies. It's just FIFA's self-serving attempt to try to "preserve" national team football, in a unnecessary and superficial way.
 
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