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It read this article and thought i tw as the stupidest thing i have ever read. What makes me even more upset , is at the very end this idiot says that soccer games are telvised late at night because there is no room to show them anywhere else. Is this guy a moron or what. Hey genius the world cup is beeing played on the other side of the planet. Those games are being played live. Not even the olympics were being covered live to this extent when they were diwn under in 2000.



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U.S. has no room for soccer on its full sports plate
Posted: Monday June 17, 2002 10:15 AM



Sports Illustrated senior writer Phil Taylor touches on a Hot Button issue each Monday on CNNSI.com. After you read Phil's take, give us yours.

There was a time not too long ago when I would have sworn I would never stay up into the wee hours of the morning watching soccer unless it involved an immediate member of my family or a team of Sports Illustrated swimsuit models, but there I was last week, watching World Cup games while the sun was rising outside my window. I saw Brazil score on a scissor kick that was as remarkable a bit of athleticism as anything Kobe Bryant has ever produced. I saw a South Korean forward direct a ball from his chest to his right foot, then to his left and into the goal, all in about as little time as it takes Derek Jeter to make the double-play pivot at second base.

I don't need to be convinced -- these guys can play. Even if you don't know a sweeper from a stopper, it only takes a few minutes of watching a World Cup game to realize that much. But as entertaining as the sport can be when it is played at the highest level, it will never rise to the level of football, baseball or basketball in the American consciousness, which, believe it or not, is actually a good thing.


The main reason soccer has never been anything more than a niche sport in the United States is not, as soccer snobs insist, that Americans simply don't understand the game's strategy or appreciate its artistry. It is not that we have a video-game attention span that wanders when there are only one or two goals scored in a game. Soccer hasn't made it as a major sport in the States because we just don't have room for it.

The same goes for other so-called minor sports. The sports graveyard is filled with the bones of leagues and sports that tried to imitate the big boys, like the XFL and ABL (women's basketball). Others, such as the WNBA and WUSA, don't seem destined for a long lifespan. That's because American culture is saturated on the sports front. The NBA, NFL and Major League Baseball overlap and cover the entire calendar year. We Americans may have more leisure time than ever before, but there is only so much of it we're willing to spend on games, which leaves sports like soccer to fight for the small amount we haven't already committed to the three mainstream sports.

This may come as bad news to budding Landon Donovans and Brandi Chastains, but it's actually encouraging to realize that there is a limit to Americans' appetite for sports. We're not so competition-crazed that we can be sucked in by any sport that buys a set of uniforms, gets on television and calls itself a league.

The sooner those niche sports realize that they will always be niche sports in the U.S., the better off they'll be. The mistake almost all of them make is trying to imitate the major sports' model, chasing after network television contracts and trying to turn their players into celebrities. The WNBA has positioned itself as such an obvious female version of the NBA with its similar uniforms and team names that it encourages comparisons with the men's league, which is exactly what it should be trying to avoid. So more power to the World Cup. We'll watch and we'll appreciate, but when it's done, most of us will go back to checking out the baseball boxscores and waiting for NFL training camps to open. It's appropriate that most of these soccer matches are on after midnight because America's sports culture just doesn't have room for them during regular business hours.
 

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This is more or less a counter article to what i just posted this is what I think is a genuine article and this writer is someone with a little bit of intelligence. unlike the other moron. Both were written from cnnsi writers and both were linked together

Give soccer a chance

Posted: Monday June 17, 2002 4:53 PM


If there were justice in the sports universe, the players from an amazing spring would momentarily step aside today. Zenmaster Phil and Shaq . Scotty Bowman . Barry Bonds . Curt Schilling . War Emblem. Lennox Lewis . Venus and Serena Williams . All would understand that what is taking place in the World Cup is just a little bit better than what they are doing or have done. Yes, even Tiger Woods should momentarily descend to the second step of the podium.

The basics anybody should know by now: The U.S.'s 2-0 victory in the small hours of Monday morning, our time, put the American side in the World Cup quarterfinals for the first time in 72 years. In a vacuum, this performance is staggering. Soccer is the province of other nations, where it is played and observed with passion. The United States has thrown numbers at the sport for several decades but failed to reach the grand stage. Now the national team is in the final eight of the biggest event in the world.

The problem is, the World Cup is taking place in a vacuum, in many ways. The U.S.-Mexico match began at 2:30 a.m. EST; it was replayed at 1:30 p.m. Monday afternoon. The World Cup has competed for airtime and column inches with the likes of the NBA Finals, the Stanley Cup finals, U.S. Open golf, French Open tennis, Lewis- Mike Tyson , the horse racing Triple Crown. It has often been lost, and that is a terrible shame. There is, of course, a bigger problem, and that is the whole Soccer Issue.

Did you see the Letters section of the current Sports Illustrated? One guy thanked SI for doing a World Cup preview because it provided paper for his fireplace. Another said that there are three things that America can do without: socialism, the metric system and soccer. I am amazed that people can work up such a dislike for a game. Other letter writers complained that SI wrote too little in advance of the biggest sporting event on the planet.

I understand the debate. Many Americans (OK, most Americans) dislike soccer (to varying degrees, ranging from apathy to anger) because it's a European/South American game with too little scoring, a flow of action that's not easy to understand, and, well, because it's not the NFL. Other Americans see the geometric beauty of the game and the athleticism required to play it well, albeit by normal-sized human beings (a nice plus, you've got to admit). American youth soccer is another matter altogether -- that works largely because soccer is a great game for kids, whether their parents want to watch it on television or not.

I don't think the Like Soccer/Hate Soccer debate will ever be resolved. I don't think soccer will ever attract huge mainstream audiences on a regular basis in the U.S., for two reasons: 1) See above; 2) All sports in America are suffering a decline, as interests are spread thinner and the public turns away from millionaire superstars. TV ratings are shrinking everywhere. Agreed, the NFL is a machine. But after that? Never mind soccer -- if you want to see a struggling sport, check out Major League Baseball.

On the day of such a monumental victory for Team USA, I don't think we should try to solve the soccer riddle. There are many great sports in the world at which Americans occasionally excel and bemoan the lack of knowledge and interest by the mass U.S. audience. Skier Bode Miller is a hero in Austria, a fringe athlete in his own country. Sprinter Maurice Greene can't go out in public in some European countries, but he can easily go to Wal-Mart in his hometown. None of that should diminish what these athletes do.

I wouldn't ask NFL and golf and NBA and baseball fans to suddenly embrace soccer for life. That's a losing battle. But open your minds just a little. This is a very cool story and a very big accomplishment. Remember Lake Placid in 1980? Maybe that's where we're headed, and the parallel holds. Take a little bite of the forbidden fruit. You might like it. Then go back to eating steak if you want.
 

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Blame this :ass: for reporting stupidity and actually thanking the Gods for Soccer NOT to become an American mainstay Sport..
In some other societies they would hang him from his Spauldings !!!!

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it just shows how there are too very different end of the spectrum. One guy just says dont even give it a chance. Which is typical for some one that knows nothing about soccer. Then there is the other guy , who may or may not be a soccer fan but at least has the wisdom to actual encourage people " not judge a book by its cover" I mean i am not saying promote the game. But dont bash it because you dont understand it or have never watched a game , because your brain only understands down set hut. I was just thinking we ***** about keogh and edwards but there is always john madden , now he is just annoying and that is the bottom line
 

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Austin said:
It's appropriate that most of these soccer matches are on after midnight because America's sports culture just doesn't have room for them during regular business hours.
This must really be some kind of joke, he can't be serious, can he? :D Poor American football fans, having to put up with all this sh!t... :(

I remember an article by Frank Deford, which was even more flamming... the guys like redeagle and Herdornite here were fumming! :eek:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/cover/news/2001/07/04/deford/

What I don't understand is why a magazine like Sports Illustrated actually gives space to this kind of articles. So those guys dont like football, why allow them to print it on a magazine? Its not like you dont know and their points are well, always the same...

If one page is going to be dedicated to something about football, make it something constructive.
 

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That article should be band from this forum. lol that guy is a moron and a typical idiot who has no ability to be open minded. Fine you dont like soccer no problem. But dont waste like 10 hours of your life to write why you think the game is pointless. And that it takes not athletic abiltiy and that is is impossible to control a ball with your feet. I would love to bet this guy money that I could hit a target more consistanly with my feet then he could throwing. Its people like him and rome that just make me sick. They actually go out of there way to bash the game. If anything have some pride in your country especially in games such as US v Mexico and US v Germany.
 

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You know what...who cares what these guys write....we all know what the greatest sport in the World is and it is the real football....on NT is in the Quarterfinals!!!! I love it......what a morning....
 

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Too bad these guys couldn't know enough about their National team and the world soccer scene to experience the tremendous high we all had after the Portugal game, the disappointment of the second goal in the Korea game, and then the dejection and immediate elation in the Poland game! What a roller-coaster of emotion that you just can't feel for the pampered prima donas in major league baseball or basketball.

In my small community, there is more to it than not understanding or liking the game. Soccer is a definite threat to youth and high school baseball, track, and wrestling. Undoubtedly, as the sport grows in our town of 6500 people, the traditional sports will lose some good athletes to soccer, simply because soccer IS MORE FUN! Then, coaches and others with personal vested interests will lose clout, money and prestige. Oh, well!:D

JureM, sorry again about the Croations. They were good enough to go on had they played closer to their potential. Contrast to our US Nats. I don't think we could really play much better than we did in 3 of our 4 games so far.

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Yes had Croatia played to its potential, they were more than good enough to move on to the next round....but, it wasn't meant to be....but the beauty of being a Croatian-American is that I have two team to cheer on...one is out, but the other one is giving me happiness....plus...this is great for me though too...4 years ago, Croatia had such a great run, this year, the US is having a great run as well....can't get any better than this....
 

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You know, I didn't even read the articles you guys posted because I've read them 1,000 times before.

And you know what, life is too short to waste time reading that garbage. And life is definitely too short this week as I try to juggle family, work, and World Cup soccer. And most of all, I only have four days left to bask in the joy of the U.S. making it to the quarterfinals before the next big test. I'm not wasting a minute of it on ignorant naysayers!

Enjoy everyone!!:) :) :)
 

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This Guy Is Tweaking ...

... your nipples.

"Sports Illustrated senior writer Phil Taylor writes about a Hot Button issue every Monday on CNNSI.com."

Hot Button issue? These people are absolute Zenophobes. Don't waste your time with these :ass:

The problem with most "American" sports writers in regards "football" is that the game requires presence; you can't review the "box scores" and write prows about flow and touch, you have to be there, feel the tension, feel the pasion.

They will NEVER undestand. If he can pen this on the day when HIS national team makes the final 8 for the 2nd time in its LONG history, then there is no hope for him; move on.

I have to say one more think ... It appears to ME that SI has it in for football; they have more "bashers" on the pay role than is normal, whatever normal is.
 

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This is why I admire the US national team. They've had to endure ridicule and put downs all their lives, it must be somewhat difficult to play when you know your country isn't fully behind you.

They've endured that, they've endured bad press and disrespect and have embraced a chance to make history. You guys should be proud of your boys over there.

The article is a shameless bid to justify popular sentiment using old arguments and blatant slanderous acusatons. Seriously brings into question SI agenda regarding football.
 

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The reason they hate it is because despite their best effortts soccer is getting some coverage which spells trouble for all those vested interests in US TV who bankroll US sports.
The TV networks don't like soccer because they can't mess around with the rules to get commercials every 4.2 seconds,generations of "real" men can't handle a challenge to their notion that somehow soccer is effeminate and foreign.
(even though baseball is British, American Football is based on Rugby and the Olympics was a Frenchmans idea)
Despite the ridicule and lack of even minute coverage, soccer is doing quite well in the us, a grassroots game with a successful womans team and now a mens team. Soccer is succeeding in the US despite the medias lack of interest. Soccer possibly benefits in the same way anti smoking adds and drug campaigns make certain behaviours exciting!
More power to you and I hope those naysayers eat their words when the US play S Korea in the semi!
Ice hockey, surely soccer can overtake this? In 20 yrs or so? what are your thoughts.
 

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... More power to you and I hope those naysayers eat their words when the US play S Korea in the semi! ...
What a picture ... !!!
 

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talkballs said:
The reason they hate it is because despite their best effortts soccer is getting some coverage which spells trouble for all those vested interests in US TV who bankroll US sports.
The TV networks don't like soccer because they can't mess around with the rules to get commercials every 4.2 seconds,generations of "real" men can't handle a challenge to their notion that somehow soccer is effeminate and foreign.
(even though baseball is British, American Football is based on Rugby and the Olympics was a Frenchmans idea)
Despite the ridicule and lack of even minute coverage, soccer is doing quite well in the us, a grassroots game with a successful womans team and now a mens team. Soccer is succeeding in the US despite the medias lack of interest. Soccer possibly benefits in the same way anti smoking adds and drug campaigns make certain behaviours exciting!
More power to you and I hope those naysayers eat their words when the US play S Korea in the semi!
Ice hockey, surely soccer can overtake this? In 20 yrs or so? what are your thoughts.
I think it is quite possible that soccer could be the number 4 sport in the US within 20 years in the US. Kids have always been playing soccer, it is now the second most popular team sport after basketball.

The critics have always said that the kids play, but their parents don't watch. THat may be true, but wth a successful natioanl team, the kids will watch, especially in cities with MLS teams.
 

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Deniz said:


I think it is quite possible that soccer could be the number 4 sport in the US within 20 years in the US. Kids have always been playing soccer, it is now the second most popular team sport after basketball.

The critics have always said that the kids play, but their parents don't watch. THat may be true, but wth a successful natioanl team, the kids will watch, especially in cities with MLS teams.
If the Kids are playing the rest will follow, it may take 20 years but it will definately happen. Things such as viewing figures etc at this time are largely irrelevant, the most important factor is that the game is strong at grass roots level. Remember kids grow and once bitten by the football bug it will stay with them forever. Patience my friends.
 
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