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Tought I'd give it a shot with these.

Scotland

First XI:
Gk: Ronnie Simpson
Rb: Danny Mcgrain
Lb: John Greig
Cd: Dave Mackay
Cd: Alan Hansen
Mc: Graeme Souness
Mc: Billy Bremner
Rw: Jimmy Johnstone
Lw: Alan Morton
Ss: Kenny Dalglish
St: Denis Law
Reserves:
Andy Goram
Sandry Jardine
Tommy Gemmell
David Meiklejohn
Willie Miller
Jim Baxter
Gordon Strachan
Alex James
Bobby Lennox
Bobby Walker
Jimmy Mcgrory
Hughie Gallagher
Manager:
Sir Alex Ferguson

Ireland

First XI:
Gk: Pat Jennings
Rb: Johnny Carey
Lb: Denis Irwin
Cd: Paul Mcgrath
Cd: Mark Lawrenson
Dmc: Roy Keane
Mc: Danny Blanchflower
Mc: Jonny Giles
Amc: Liam Brady
Fw: George Best
Fw: Robbie Keane
Reserves:
Harry Gregg
Seamus Coleman
Alex Elder
David O’Leary
Steve Finnan
Neil Lennon
Jimmy Mcilroy
Steve Heighway
Damien Duff
Patsy Gallagher
Norman Whiteside
Joe Brambrick
Manager:
Martin O’Niel

Sweeden

First XI:
Gk: Ronnie Hellstrom
Rb: Ovar Bergmark
Lb: Erik Nilsson
Cd: Glenn Hysen
Cd: Patrick Andersson
Mc: Bo Larsson
Mc: Nils Liedholm
Rw: Kurt Hamrin
Lw: Lennart Skoglund
Fw: Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Fw: Gunnar Nordahl
Reserves:
Thomas Ravelli
Olof Mellberg
Roland Nilsson
Bjorn Nordqvist
Bent Gustavsson
Glenn Stromberg
Tomas Brolin
Fredrik Ljungberg
Roger Magnusson
Ove Kindvall
Gunnar Gren
Henrik Larsson
Manager:
Svenn Goran Eriksson

USSR

First XI:
Gk: Lev Yashin
Rb: Vladimir Bessonov
Lb: Anatoliy Demyanenko
Cd: Albert Shesternev
Cd: Murtaz Khurtsilava
Mc: Valery Voronin
Mc: Igor Netto
Rw: Valentin Ivanov
Lw: Oleg Blokhin
Amc: Eduard Streltsov
St: Andriy Shevchenko
Reserves:
Rinat Dasaev
Revaz Dzodzuashvili
Evgeny Lovchev
Alexander Chivadze
Oleh Kuznetsov
Yuriy Voynov
Volodymyr Muntyan
Mikheil Meskhi
David Kipiani
Igor Belanov
Grigory Fedotov
Andrey Arshavin
Manager:
Valeriy Lobanovskyi

Austria

First XI:
Gk: Rudi Hiden
Cd: Bruno Pezzey
Cd: Ernst Happel
Cd: Robert Sara
Dmc: Ernst Ocwirk
Mc: Gerhard Hanappi
Mc: Karl Koller
Amc: Herbert Prohaska
Fw: Josef Bican
Fw: Hans Krankl
Fw: Matthias Sindelar
Reserves:
Walter Zeman
Karl Sesta
Josef Blum
Walter Nausch
Josef Smistik
Karl Zischek
Anton Schall
Andreas Herzog
Erich Hof
Karl Decker
Anton Polster
Franz Binder
Manager:
Ernst Happel

Denmark

First XI:
Gk: Peter Schmeichel
Rb: John Sivebaek
Lb: Jan Heintze
Cd: Morten Olsen
Cd: Nils Middelboe
Mc: Jan Molby
Mc: Michael Laudrup
Rw: Brian Laudrup
Lw: Carl Aage Praest
Ss: Allan Simonsen
St: Preben Elkjaer
Reserves:
Henry From
Fritz Tarp
Johnny Hansen
Ivan Nielsen
Soren Lerby
Helge Bronee
Christian Eriksen
Karl Aage Hansen
Henning Jensen
John Angelo Hansen
Harald Nielsen
Pauli Jorgensen
Manager:
Richard Moller Nielsen

Czechoslovakia

First XI:
Gk: Frantisek Planicka
Rb: Karol Dobias
Lb: Ladislav Novak
Cd: Jan Popluhar
Cd: Anton Ondrus
Dmc: Svatopluk Pluskal
Mc: Pavel Nedved
Mc: Josef Masopust
Amc: Vaclav Pilat
Fw: Antonin Puc
Fw: Oldrich Nejedly
Reserves:
Ivo Viktor
Petr Čech
Jaroslav Burgr
Marek Jankulovski
Ján Pivarnik
Karel Pasek Kada
Karel Poborsky
Antonin Panenka
Andrej Kvasnak
Jozef Adamec
Tomáš Skuhravý
Jan Koller
Manager:Rudolf Vytlacil

Yugoslavia

First XI:
Gk: Vladimir Beara
Cb: Velibor Vasovic
Cb: Nemanja Vidic
Cb: Branko Stankovic
Mc: Luka Modric
Mc: Branko Zebec
Amc: Bernard Vukas
Amc: Safet Susic
Rw: Dejan Savicevic
Lw: Dragan Dzajic
St: Stjepan Bobek
Reserves:
Franjo Glaser
Fahrudin Jusufi
Sinisa Mihajlovic
Ivica Horvat
Bora Kostic
Zlatko Cajkovski
Dragan Stojkovic
Dragoslav Sekularac
Predrag Mijatovic
Milos Milutinovic
Darko Pancev
Davor Suker
Manager:
Vujdine Boskov

Hungary

First XI:
Gk: Gyula Grosics
Rb: Ferenc Rudas
Lb: Sandor Biro
Cb: Kalman Meszoly
Dmc: Jozsef Bozsik
Ml: Gyorgy Orth
Mr: Gyorgy Sarosi
Amc: Ladislao Kubala
Rf: Sandor Kocsis
Lf: Ferenc Puskas
Cf: Florian Albert
Reserves:
Ferenc Plattkó
Karoly Fogl
Mihaly Lantos
Gyula Lorant
Kálmán Konrád
Ferenc Bene
Zoltan Czibor
Nandor Hidegkuti
Imre Schlosser
József Takacs
Istvan Nyers
Gyula Zsengellér
Manager:
Bela Guttmann

Romania

First XI:
Gk: Silviu Lung
Rb: Dan Petrescu
Lb: Cristian Chivu
Cd: Miodrag Belodedici
Cd: Gica Popescu
Dmc: Ladislau Boloni
Rw: Iuliu Baratky
Mc: Nicolae Dobrin
Amc: Ilie Balaci
Lw: Gheorghe Hagi
St: Adrian Mutu
Reserves:
Ion Voinescu
Nicolae Ungureanu
Cosmin Contra
Alexandru Apolzan
Costica Stefanescu
Lita Dumitru
Iosif Petschovski
Stefan Dobay
Ion Parcalab
Iuliu Bodola
Rodion Camataru
Florea Dumitrache
Manager:
Stefan Kovacs

Uruguay

First XI:
Gk: Ladislao Mazurkiewicz
Cb: Jose Nasazzi
Cb: Jose Santamaria
Dmr: Victor Rodriguez Andrade
Dmc: Obdulio Varela
Dml: Jose Leandro Andrade
Amc: Enzo Francescoli
Amc: Juan Schiaffino
Ss: Luis Suarez
Ss: Hector Scarone
St: Diego Forlan
Reserves:
Roque Maspoli
Schubert Gambetta
Paolo Montero
Atilio Ancheta
Dario Pereyra
Alvaro Recoba
Luis Cubilla
Alcides Ghiggia
Angel Romano
Pedro Rocha
Pedro Petrone
Fernando Morena
Manager:
Oscar Tabarez

Portugal

First XI:
Gk: Manuel Bento
Rb: Artur Correia
Lb: Hilario
Cb: Ricardo Carvalho
Cb: Germano de Figueiredo
Mc: Mario Coluna
Mc: Rui Costa
Rw: Luis Figo
Lw: Cristiano Ronaldo
Fw: Eusebio
Fw: Fernando Peyroteo
Reserves:
Victor Baia
Joao Pinto
Alvaro Cardoso
Humberto Coelho
Pepe
Paulo Sousa
Paulo Futre
Jose Augusto
Deco
Pinga
Jose Aguas
Lucas Matateu
Manager:
Jose Mourinho

Spain

First XI:
Gk: Iker Casillas
Lcb: Carles Puyol
Cb: Fernando Hierro
Rcb: Sergio Ramos
Dmc: Xabi Alonso
Mc: Andres Iniesta
Mc: Xavi Hernandez
Amc: Luis Suarez
Rw: Amaro Amancio
Lw: Francisco Gento
Cf: Raul Gonzalez
Reserves:
Ricardo Zamora
Andoni Zubizarreta
Jose Camacho
Jacinto Quincoces
Joan Segarra
Rafael Gordillo
Pep Guardiola
Jose Pirri
Estanislao Basora
Emiliano Butragueno
David Villa
Telmo Zarra
Manager:
Vicente del Bosque

England

First XI:
Gk: Gordon Banks
Rb: Jimmy Armfield
Lb: Ashley Cole
Cb: Billy Wright
Cb: Bobby Moore
Mc: Steven Gerrard
Mc: Bobby Charlton
Rw: Stanley Matthews
Rw: Tom Finney
Ss: Kevin Keegan
St: Dixie Dean
Reserves:
Peter Shilton
Eddie Hapgood
Phil Neal
John Terry
Tony Adams
Bryan Robson
Duncan Edwards
Johnny Haynes
David Beckham
John Barnes
Gary Lineker
Jimmy Greaves
Manager:
Bryan Clough

France

First XI:
Gk: Fabien Barthez
Rb: Lilian Thuram
Lb: Manuel Amoros
Cd: Laurent Blanc
Cd: Marcel Desailly
Dmc: Jean Tigana
Amr: Raymond Kopa
Aml: Zinedine Zidane
Amc: Michel Platini
Fw: Thierry Henry
Fw: Jean-Pierre Papin
Reserves:
Joel Bats
Bixente Lizarazu
Maxime Bossis
Marius Tresor
Robert Jonquet
Claude Makelele
Patrice Vieira
Franck Ribery
Larbi Benbarek
Alain Giresse
Eric Cantona
Just Fontaine
Manager:
Arsene Wenger

Holland

First XI:
Gk: Edwin van der Sar
Rb: Wim Suurbier
Lb: Ruud Krol
Cb: Ronald Koeman
Cb: Frank Rijkaard
Mc: Johan Neeskens
Mc: Willem Van Hanegem
Mc: Ruud Gullit
Ss:Johan Cruyff
Fw: Marco Van Basten
Fw: Dennis Bergkamp
Reserves:
Hans Van Breukelen
Cor Van De Hart
Frank de Boer
Jaap Stam
Rinus Israel
Edgar Davids
Clarence Seedorf
Wesley Sneijder
Arjen Robben
Rob Rensenbrink
Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Robin Van Persie
Manager:
Rinus Michels

Italy

First XI:
Gk: Gianluigi Buffon
Rb: Giuseppe Bergomi
Lb: Giacinto Facchetti
Cb: Paolo Maldini
Cb: Franco Baresi
Dmc: Andrea Pirlo
Mc: Valentino Mazzola
Mc: Gianni Rivera
Amc: Sandro Mazzola
Fw: Roberto Baggio
Fw: Giuseppe Meazza
Reserves:
Dino Zoff
Claudio Gentile
Gaetano Scirea
Fabio Cannavaro
Alessandro Nesta
Marco Tardelli
Bruno Conti
Alessandro Del Piero
Francesco Totti
Luigi Riva
Silvio Piola
Manager:
Marcelo Lippi

Germany

Gk: Sepp Maier
Rb: Berti Vogts
Lb: Breitner
Cb: Franz Beckenbauer
Cb: Jurgen Kohler
Mc: Lothar Matthaus
Mc: Paul Breitner
Ss: Fritz Walter
Ss: Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
Fw: Gerd Muller
Fw: Uwe Seeler
Reserves:
Oliver Kahn
Manuel Neuer
Phillip Lahm
Andreas Brehme
Matthias Sammer
Karl-Heinz Forster
Horst Szymaniak
Helmut Rahn
Wolfgang Overath
Gunter Netzer
Bernd Schuster
Jurgen Klinsmann
Manager:
Helmut Schön

Argentina

First XI:
Gk: Amadeo Carrizo
Rb: Javier Zanetti
Lb: Silvio Marzolini
Cb: Oscar Ruggeri
Cb: Daniel Passarella
Dmc: Luis Monti
Aml: Diego Maradona
Amc: Jose Manuel Moreno
Amr: Adolfo Pedernera
Fw: Alfredo di Stefano
Fw: Lionel Messi
Reserves:
Ubaldo Fillol
Carlos Sosa
Juan Pablo Sorin
Robert Perfumo
Roberto Ayala
Fernando Redondo
Antonio Sastre
Juan Roman Riquelme
Raimundo Orsi
Mario Kempes
Omar Sivori
Gabriel Batistuta
Manager:
Helenio Herrera

Brazil

First XI:
Gk: Gilmar
Rb: Djalma Santos
Lb: Roberto Carlos
Cb: Carlos Alberto
Cb: Domingos Da Guia
Mc: Didi
Mc: Paulo Roberto Falcao
Amc: Zico
Rf: Garrincha
Cf: Ronaldo
Lf: Pele
Reserves:
Emerson Leao
Cafu
Nilton Santos
Luis Perreira
Toninho Cerezo
Gerson
Ronaldinho
Jairzinho
Zizinho
Roberto Rivelino
Rivaldo
Romario
Manager:
Mario Zagallo
 

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Italy

First XI:
Gk: Gianluigi Buffon
Rb: Giuseppe Bergomi
Lb: Giacinto Facchetti
Cb: Paolo Maldini
Cb: Franco Baresi
Dmc: Andrea Pirlo
Mc: Valentino Mazzola
Mc: Gianni Rivera
Amc: Sandro Mazzola
Fw: Roberto Baggio
Fw: Giuseppe Meazza
Reserves:
Dino Zoff
Claudio Gentile
Gaetano Scirea
Fabio Cannavaro
Alessandro Nesta
Marco Tardelli
Bruno Conti
Alessandro Del Piero
Francesco Totti
Luigi Riva
Silvio Piola
Manager:
Marcelo Lippi
My friend Romolo Scazzagrulli might appreciate your lineup, but the truth is that, of all the teams, the Italian one is surely the one which demands a tactical effort from the one who creates a lineup. Your lineup lacks a right winger and at least one hardworking midfielder.
 

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My friend Romolo Scazzagrulli might appreciate your lineup, but the truth is that, of all the teams, the Italian one is surely the one which demands a tactical effort from the one who creates a lineup. Your lineup lacks a right winger and at least one hardworking midfielder.
Description of V.Mazzola on his wiki:

"...hardworking player, he was capable of playing in any position on the pitch, and was known for his strong character and winning-mentality..."

"Despite his small stature, he excelled in the air, due to his power, timing, heading accuracy, and elevation, which allowed him to beat larger players for the ball. Although he was mainly renowned for his offensive and creative capabilities, Mazzola was also highly competent defensively, often pressing and tackling opponents in order to win back possession, and was even capable of being deployed as a central midfielder, or as a defender."

Not your usual destroyer but I think it's at least plausible compared to most fantasy teams :D
 

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His son also started out as a central midfielder because of his defensive work-rate.
 

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Pele, you sly mother****er!, you've still slipped that workhorse Belanov in there as a reserve, despite my patient and sound advice on various superior alternatives.:nono:

I suppose with Lobanovsky as manager, there's a good chance he'd do the same though. However, he'd be wrong.

On a more serious note, i wouldn't play Netto like that, he was never that attacking. Makes much more sense to have it a 4-2-3-1 with those players.

Netto alongside Voronin. Both covered pretty much the same area of the park and while they were both versatile and were very good in distribution of the ball, were mostly conservative and disciplined in holding the CM area, and against strong teams more likely to drop further back if needed than go into an AM role. Busquets,Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Modric, schweinsteiger etc would be the closest comparisons of recent players positionally.

That lets you put Ivanov in his natural position too, he was an IR with a central attacking midfielder sort of style not a RW. He just filled in there occasionally.
 

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Pele, you sly mother****er!, you've still slipped that workhorse Belanov in there as a reserve, despite my patient and sound advice on various superior alternatives.:nono:

I suppose with Lobanovsky as manager, there's a good chance he'd do the same though. However, he'd be wrong.

On a more serious note, i wouldn't play Netto like that, he was never that attacking. Makes much more sense to have it a 4-2-3-1 with those players.

Netto alongside Voronin. Both covered pretty much the same area of the park and while they were both versatile and were very good in distribution of the ball, were mostly conservative and disciplined in holding the CM area, and against strong teams more likely to drop further back if needed than go into an AM role. Busquets,Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Modric, schweinsteiger etc would be the closest comparisons of recent players positionally.

That lets you put Ivanov in his natural position too, he was an IR with a central attacking midfielder sort of style not a RW. He just filled in there occasionally.
That position in the 4-1-4-1 is not very far off from a CM but I guess you're right, alltough the 4-2-3-1 requires a RW aswell and Ivanov seemes the most acommodated to that position out of all my starting players(could Streltsov play on the wing?). It's hard to knock anybody from the first XI off so what do you propose?

P.S. You said Belanov is not a GTFO choice :D
 

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Description of V.Mazzola on his wiki:

"...hardworking player, he was capable of playing in any position on the pitch, and was known for his strong character and winning-mentality..."

"Despite his small stature, he excelled in the air, due to his power, timing, heading accuracy, and elevation, which allowed him to beat larger players for the ball. Although he was mainly renowned for his offensive and creative capabilities, Mazzola was also highly competent defensively, often pressing and tackling opponents in order to win back possession, and was even capable of being deployed as a central midfielder, or as a defender."

Not your usual destroyer but I think it's at least plausible compared to most fantasy teams :D
well, then I put Giuseppe Garibaldi in my lineup because on a biography he is described as a man who could have done pretty much everything in his life if he had cared to or had had the chance, which I suppose includes kicking a fooball.
 

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Ivanov would be fine in on the right side of a modern 4-2-3-1, especially with Bessonov(who can play just as well in midfield) pushing up. He was versatile and did drift or play wide if needed, it's just the more classic touchline or cut inside when the IL\IR drops off wing play of an old-school forward 4 or 5 that wouldn't get the best out of him.

If you want a genuine advanced right-winger(sickening) in the team the best picks would probably be from:

Igor Chislenko
Slava Metreveli
Boris Tatushin
Vasili Trofimov
Alexei Grinin

Trofimov and Grinin were part of the first crop of post-WW2 league stars, though lost much of their prime to the war, they battled it out for top ranked RW from 45 to 52. Grinin was captain of the dominant CSKA precursor army team and dropped out of football after Stalin irrationally disbanded them and blacklisted their players due to losing to Yugo at 52 Olympics, despite only a few players of that tournament actually coming from their lineup.

Trofimov was one of the main stars of second strongest side Dynamo Moscow and got a lot of accolades for his play on the Dynamo tour of Britain. He was famed for his dribbling and when USSR football scene first got to see Garrincha play, a lot of comparisons were made between the two aesthetically. I'd say he has a stronger, longer last overall reputation than Grinin and is still quite likely to pop up in all-time USSR lineups\squads to this day, but really both these guys played their best stuff at an insular time before consistent international competition for ussr and were mostly retired after 52 so would be more old-school historian\hipster choices for an all-time lineup.

Tatushin was the premier RW from 53 to 58 and well established as one of the best talents in the league and national team when at 25 ,he got caught up in the pre-58 world cup rape case with Streltsov and Spartak teammate Ogonkov(who was arguably the top rated defender of the same period). He was actually cleared of involvement, but still kicked out of football until 61 and unlike Streltsov didn't really try to make an eventual comeback. Possibly could have gone on to be the greatest RW.

Metreveli and Chislenko were the stars of the next era, both did play in other positions across the front 4, but mainly were known for the rw. Chislenko is usually considered the greatest Soviet RW as he had the best balance between, natural talent, strong club career with Dynamo Moscow and great performances for the NT, he was a great big game player and scored numerous important goals at the Euro and WC. The W. Germans really targeted him in the 66 semi-final and the game finally turned against ussr when he got himself sent off after finally retaliating. Seemed to really have Facchetti's number against Italy in the Euro 64 qualifying and WC 66 games, so was unlucky to get a career ending knee-injury just before the '68 semi-final against them. Should really be in that squad ahead of Arshavin for a right-sided attacking choice.

Metreveli was was often left on the bench behind Chislenko by 62, but was an excellent player too, the competition was fierce between them. He was more the typical outright-attacking winger of the era that did little organised defensive work, where Chislenko was more modern tactically, better workrate and got involved defensively at a time USSR football was becoming obsessed with universality and a similar kind of organised pressing as the Dutch were experimenting with. He played a main role in winning Euro 60 and winning a first league title for both Torpedo Moscow/ Dynamo Tbilisi, and was in the top ten for most appearances in the "top 33" of each season which ranked the best 3 in each position, with 8 number 1 places and 1 number 2.

imo both those two were on the same level of quality as Dzajic in terms of EE wingers of the era, but tend to get overlooked a bit more. Not many players after that era would fit a RW role in that formation, quality wise the only ones that could compete in an all-time squad were more playmaking types playing from wide-right 4-4-2's like Cherenkov and Buryak that would better suit a more central role for your formation.



For anyone interested the top ten table of appearances in the top 33 for ussr league was:

1. Lev Yashin-16 appearances from 53-69( 13 times 1st, once 2nd, twice 3rd)

2. Oleg Blokhin- 15 appearances from 72-86( 13 times 1st, twice 2nd)

3. Igor Netto- 13 appearances from 50-63( 12 times 1st, once 2nd)

4. Valentin Ivanov- 12 appearances from 53-65( 9 times 1st, 3 times 2nd)

5. Vladimir Bessonov- 11 appearances from 77-89( 9 times 1st, once 2nd, once 3rd)

6. Albert Shesternev- 11 appearances from 61-71( 8 times 1st, 3 times 2nd)

7. Rinat Dasaev- 10 appearances from 79-88( 9 times 1st, Once 2nd)

8. Murtaz Khurtsilava -10 appearances from 63-73( 5 times 1st, twice 2nd, 3 times 3rd)

9. Vladimir Veremeev- 10 appearances from 71-81( 4 times 1st, twice 2nd, 4 times 3rd)

10. Slava Metreveli - 9 appearances from 57-68( 8 times 1st, once 2nd)

There were a few others also on 9 appearances that just missed out due to less 1st place rankings...Demyanenko, Konkov, Cherenkov, Salnikov, Serebryanikov and Khrizevsky.
 

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well, then I put Giuseppe Garibaldi in my lineup because on a biography he is described as a man who could have done pretty much everything in his life if he had cared to or had had the chance, which I suppose includes kicking a fooball.
Nice way of taking a crap on my whole project :crybaby: If I'm gonna try and make hypothetical all-time line-ups in the first place, of course I'm gonna give some cred to past players. And anyway, if the team encounters another with big stars above the defense, they can just substitute Pirlo/Rivera with either of Canna/Nesta/Scirea and play with a back-5 to give the players up-front more freedom.
 

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@Abedi Great post! Ok then, I'm gonna swtich to 4-2-3-1.
 

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big respek to my man Pelé for this thread here, good work huge effort, I am even satisfied with his team Hungary, is not too focused on post 1950 players although I would definitely have 2 or 3 changes :angel:
 

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big respek to my man Pelé for this thread here, good work huge effort, I am even satisfied with his team Hungary, is not too focused on post 1950 players although I would definitely have 2 or 3 changes :angel:
Thanks bredda! I'm sure first thing you'd do is send Pooshkash home asap :D
 

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@ToniSamp Forgot about the winger part. I have Conti who could play on both wings and if the team switches to a 4-3-3, Piola was said to be able to play as outside-right. And who are Italy's greatest wingers ever from a historical point of view?

I have Amedeo Biavati, Giampiero Boniperti(more of a forward I think), Donadoni, Causio and Corso as front-runners.(Meroni was only 24 when he died so I don't think he qualifies). There were others good but not all time material(Colaussi,Camoranesi,Domenghini,Di Canio,Sala,Lentini etc.)
 

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put him on bench and replace him with Szusza :)

Grosics not even on bench, Plattkó, Zsák, Geller, Szabó, Király and dude in my avatar all ahead of him
Just so you know, I didn't include Grosics just for the NT exploits. World Soccer Magazine named him goalkeeper of the year in 60 and 61. He was also the 2nd highest rated GK both at the 1957 and 1959 Ballon d'Or behind only Yashin. He recieved multiple votes in both cases so it wasn't just the Hungarian journalist. Also was named Hugarian player of the year in 1949 and 1950 with allot of heavy competition. Why don't you like him again? :D
 

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@ToniSamp Forgot about the winger part. I have Conti who could play on both wings and if the team switches to a 4-3-3, Piola was said to be able to play as outside-right. And who are Italy's greatest wingers ever from a historical point of view?

I have Amedeo Biavati, Giampiero Boniperti(more of a forward I think), Donadoni, Causio and Corso as front-runners.(Meroni was only 24 when he died so I don't think he qualifies). There were others good but not all time material(Colaussi,Camoranesi,Domenghini,Di Canio,Sala,Lentini etc.)
It's a tough job. Conti, Causio and Donadoni are very close one to the other.
 

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Just so you know, I didn't include Grosics just for the NT exploits. World Soccer Magazine named him goalkeeper of the year in 60 and 61. He was also the 2nd highest rated GK both at the 1957 and 1959 Ballon d'Or behind only Yashin. He recieved multiple votes in both cases so it wasn't just the Hungarian journalist. Also was named Hugarian player of the year in 1949 and 1950 with allot of heavy competition. Why don't you like him again? :D
he is just not as good as the others I mentioned
 

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How is Raul starting ahead of Villa?

Pique should at least be in reserves.

This is some real madrid bias bs.

Villa is Spain all time top scorer.

Raul didnt win sh.t with Spain.

Also Torres should be considered for the reserve bench purely for 2008. He scored in the final vs Germany when Spain hadnt won anything for years.
 

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Tought I'd give it a shot with these.

Scotland

First XI:
Gk: Ronnie Simpson
Rb: Danny Mcgrain
Lb: John Greig
Cd: Dave Mackay
Cd: Alan Hansen
Mc: Graeme Souness
Mc: Billy Bremner
Rw: Jimmy Johnstone
Lw: Alan Morton
Ss: Kenny Dalglish
St: Denis Law
Reserves:
Andy Goram
Sandry Jardine
Tommy Gemmell
David Meiklejohn
Willie Miller
Jim Baxter
Gordon Strachan
Alex James
Bobby Lennox
Bobby Walker
Jimmy Mcgrory
Hughie Gallagher
Manager:
Sir Alex Ferguson

Ireland

First XI:
Gk: Pat Jennings
Rb: Johnny Carey
Lb: Denis Irwin
Cd: Paul Mcgrath
Cd: Mark Lawrenson
Dmc: Roy Keane
Mc: Danny Blanchflower
Mc: Jonny Giles
Amc: Liam Brady
Fw: George Best
Fw: Robbie Keane
Reserves:
Harry Gregg
Seamus Coleman
Alex Elder
David O’Leary
Steve Finnan
Neil Lennon
Jimmy Mcilroy
Steve Heighway
Damien Duff
Patsy Gallagher
Norman Whiteside
Joe Brambrick
Manager:
Martin O’Niel

Sweeden

First XI:
Gk: Ronnie Hellstrom
Rb: Ovar Bergmark
Lb: Erik Nilsson
Cd: Glenn Hysen
Cd: Patrick Andersson
Mc: Bo Larsson
Mc: Nils Liedholm
Rw: Kurt Hamrin
Lw: Lennart Skoglund
Fw: Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Fw: Gunnar Nordahl
Reserves:
Thomas Ravelli
Olof Mellberg
Roland Nilsson
Bjorn Nordqvist
Bent Gustavsson
Glenn Stromberg
Tomas Brolin
Fredrik Ljungberg
Roger Magnusson
Ove Kindvall
Gunnar Gren
Henrik Larsson
Manager:
Svenn Goran Eriksson

USSR

First XI:
Gk: Lev Yashin
Rb: Vladimir Bessonov
Lb: Anatoliy Demyanenko
Cd: Albert Shesternev
Cd: Murtaz Khurtsilava
Mc: Valery Voronin
Mc: Igor Netto
Rw: Valentin Ivanov
Lw: Oleg Blokhin
Amc: Eduard Streltsov
St: Andriy Shevchenko
Reserves:
Rinat Dasaev
Revaz Dzodzuashvili
Evgeny Lovchev
Alexander Chivadze
Oleh Kuznetsov
Yuriy Voynov
Volodymyr Muntyan
Mikheil Meskhi
David Kipiani
Igor Belanov
Grigory Fedotov
Andrey Arshavin
Manager:
Valeriy Lobanovskyi

Austria

First XI:
Gk: Rudi Hiden
Cd: Bruno Pezzey
Cd: Ernst Happel
Cd: Robert Sara
Dmc: Ernst Ocwirk
Mc: Gerhard Hanappi
Mc: Karl Koller
Amc: Herbert Prohaska
Fw: Josef Bican
Fw: Hans Krankl
Fw: Matthias Sindelar
Reserves:
Walter Zeman
Karl Sesta
Josef Blum
Walter Nausch
Josef Smistik
Karl Zischek
Anton Schall
Andreas Herzog
Erich Hof
Karl Decker
Anton Polster
Franz Binder
Manager:
Ernst Happel

Denmark

First XI:
Gk: Peter Schmeichel
Rb: John Sivebaek
Lb: Jan Heintze
Cd: Morten Olsen
Cd: Nils Middelboe
Mc: Jan Molby
Mc: Michael Laudrup
Rw: Brian Laudrup
Lw: Carl Aage Praest
Ss: Allan Simonsen
St: Preben Elkjaer
Reserves:
Henry From
Fritz Tarp
Johnny Hansen
Ivan Nielsen
Soren Lerby
Helge Bronee
Christian Eriksen
Karl Aage Hansen
Henning Jensen
John Angelo Hansen
Harald Nielsen
Pauli Jorgensen
Manager:
Richard Moller Nielsen

Czechoslovakia

First XI:
Gk: Frantisek Planicka
Rb: Karol Dobias
Lb: Ladislav Novak
Cd: Jan Popluhar
Cd: Anton Ondrus
Dmc: Svatopluk Pluskal
Mc: Pavel Nedved
Mc: Josef Masopust
Amc: Vaclav Pilat
Fw: Antonin Puc
Fw: Oldrich Nejedly
Reserves:
Ivo Viktor
Petr Čech
Jaroslav Burgr
Marek Jankulovski
Ján Pivarnik
Karel Pasek Kada
Karel Poborsky
Antonin Panenka
Andrej Kvasnak
Jozef Adamec
Tomáš Skuhravý
Jan Koller
Manager:Rudolf Vytlacil

Yugoslavia

First XI:
Gk: Vladimir Beara
Cb: Velibor Vasovic
Cb: Nemanja Vidic
Cb: Branko Stankovic
Mc: Luka Modric
Mc: Branko Zebec
Amc: Bernard Vukas
Amc: Safet Susic
Rw: Dejan Savicevic
Lw: Dragan Dzajic
St: Stjepan Bobek
Reserves:
Franjo Glaser
Fahrudin Jusufi
Sinisa Mihajlovic
Ivica Horvat
Bora Kostic
Zlatko Cajkovski
Dragan Stojkovic
Dragoslav Sekularac
Predrag Mijatovic
Milos Milutinovic
Darko Pancev
Davor Suker
Manager:
Vujdine Boskov

Hungary

First XI:
Gk: Gyula Grosics
Rb: Ferenc Rudas
Lb: Sandor Biro
Cb: Kalman Meszoly
Dmc: Jozsef Bozsik
Ml: Gyorgy Orth
Mr: Gyorgy Sarosi
Amc: Ladislao Kubala
Rf: Sandor Kocsis
Lf: Ferenc Puskas
Cf: Florian Albert
Reserves:
Ferenc Plattkó
Karoly Fogl
Mihaly Lantos
Gyula Lorant
Kálmán Konrád
Ferenc Bene
Zoltan Czibor
Nandor Hidegkuti
Imre Schlosser
József Takacs
Istvan Nyers
Gyula Zsengellér
Manager:
Bela Guttmann

Romania

First XI:
Gk: Silviu Lung
Rb: Dan Petrescu
Lb: Cristian Chivu
Cd: Miodrag Belodedici
Cd: Gica Popescu
Dmc: Ladislau Boloni
Rw: Iuliu Baratky
Mc: Nicolae Dobrin
Amc: Ilie Balaci
Lw: Gheorghe Hagi
St: Adrian Mutu
Reserves:
Ion Voinescu
Nicolae Ungureanu
Cosmin Contra
Alexandru Apolzan
Costica Stefanescu
Lita Dumitru
Iosif Petschovski
Stefan Dobay
Ion Parcalab
Iuliu Bodola
Rodion Camataru
Florea Dumitrache
Manager:
Stefan Kovacs

Uruguay

First XI:
Gk: Ladislao Mazurkiewicz
Cb: Jose Nasazzi
Cb: Jose Santamaria
Dmr: Victor Rodriguez Andrade
Dmc: Obdulio Varela
Dml: Jose Leandro Andrade
Amc: Enzo Francescoli
Amc: Juan Schiaffino
Ss: Luis Suarez
Ss: Hector Scarone
St: Diego Forlan
Reserves:
Roque Maspoli
Schubert Gambetta
Paolo Montero
Atilio Ancheta
Dario Pereyra
Alvaro Recoba
Luis Cubilla
Alcides Ghiggia
Angel Romano
Pedro Rocha
Pedro Petrone
Fernando Morena
Manager:
Oscar Tabarez

Portugal

First XI:
Gk: Manuel Bento
Rb: Artur Correia
Lb: Hilario
Cb: Ricardo Carvalho
Cb: Germano de Figueiredo
Mc: Mario Coluna
Mc: Rui Costa
Rw: Luis Figo
Lw: Cristiano Ronaldo
Fw: Eusebio
Fw: Fernando Peyroteo
Reserves:
Victor Baia
Joao Pinto
Alvaro Cardoso
Humberto Coelho
Pepe
Paulo Sousa
Paulo Futre
Jose Augusto
Deco
Pinga
Jose Aguas
Lucas Matateu
Manager:
Jose Mourinho

Spain

First XI:
Gk: Iker Casillas
Lcb: Carles Puyol
Cb: Fernando Hierro
Rcb: Sergio Ramos
Dmc: Xabi Alonso
Mc: Andres Iniesta
Mc: Xavi Hernandez
Amc: Luis Suarez
Rw: Amaro Amancio
Lw: Francisco Gento
Cf: Raul Gonzalez
Reserves:
Ricardo Zamora
Andoni Zubizarreta
Jose Camacho
Jacinto Quincoces
Joan Segarra
Rafael Gordillo
Pep Guardiola
Jose Pirri
Estanislao Basora
Emiliano Butragueno
David Villa
Telmo Zarra
Manager:
Vicente del Bosque

England

First XI:
Gk: Gordon Banks
Rb: Jimmy Armfield
Lb: Ashley Cole
Cb: Billy Wright
Cb: Bobby Moore
Mc: Steven Gerrard
Mc: Bobby Charlton
Rw: Stanley Matthews
Rw: Tom Finney
Ss: Kevin Keegan
St: Dixie Dean
Reserves:
Peter Shilton
Eddie Hapgood
Phil Neal
John Terry
Tony Adams
Bryan Robson
Duncan Edwards
Johnny Haynes
David Beckham
John Barnes
Gary Lineker
Jimmy Greaves
Manager:
Bryan Clough

France

First XI:
Gk: Fabien Barthez
Rb: Lilian Thuram
Lb: Manuel Amoros
Cd: Laurent Blanc
Cd: Marcel Desailly
Dmc: Jean Tigana
Amr: Raymond Kopa
Aml: Zinedine Zidane
Amc: Michel Platini
Fw: Thierry Henry
Fw: Jean-Pierre Papin
Reserves:
Joel Bats
Bixente Lizarazu
Maxime Bossis
Marius Tresor
Robert Jonquet
Claude Makelele
Patrice Vieira
Franck Ribery
Larbi Benbarek
Alain Giresse
Eric Cantona
Just Fontaine
Manager:
Arsene Wenger

Holland

First XI:
Gk: Edwin van der Sar
Rb: Wim Suurbier
Lb: Ruud Krol
Cb: Ronald Koeman
Cb: Frank Rijkaard
Mc: Johan Neeskens
Mc: Willem Van Hanegem
Mc: Ruud Gullit
Ss:Johan Cruyff
Fw: Marco Van Basten
Fw: Dennis Bergkamp
Reserves:
Hans Van Breukelen
Cor Van De Hart
Frank de Boer
Jaap Stam
Rinus Israel
Edgar Davids
Clarence Seedorf
Wesley Sneijder
Arjen Robben
Rob Rensenbrink
Ruud Van Nistelrooy
Robin Van Persie
Manager:
Rinus Michels

Italy

First XI:
Gk: Gianluigi Buffon
Rb: Giuseppe Bergomi
Lb: Giacinto Facchetti
Cb: Paolo Maldini
Cb: Franco Baresi
Dmc: Andrea Pirlo
Mc: Valentino Mazzola
Mc: Gianni Rivera
Amc: Sandro Mazzola
Fw: Roberto Baggio
Fw: Giuseppe Meazza
Reserves:
Dino Zoff
Claudio Gentile
Gaetano Scirea
Fabio Cannavaro
Alessandro Nesta
Marco Tardelli
Bruno Conti
Alessandro Del Piero
Francesco Totti
Luigi Riva
Silvio Piola
Manager:
Marcelo Lippi

Germany

Gk: Sepp Maier
Rb: Berti Vogts
Lb: Breitner
Cb: Franz Beckenbauer
Cb: Jurgen Kohler
Mc: Lothar Matthaus
Mc: Paul Breitner
Ss: Fritz Walter
Ss: Karl-Heinz Rummenigge
Fw: Gerd Muller
Fw: Uwe Seeler
Reserves:
Oliver Kahn
Manuel Neuer
Phillip Lahm
Andreas Brehme
Matthias Sammer
Karl-Heinz Forster
Horst Szymaniak
Helmut Rahn
Wolfgang Overath
Gunter Netzer
Bernd Schuster
Jurgen Klinsmann
Manager:
Helmut Schön

Argentina

First XI:
Gk: Amadeo Carrizo
Rb: Javier Zanetti
Lb: Silvio Marzolini
Cb: Oscar Ruggeri
Cb: Daniel Passarella
Dmc: Luis Monti
Aml: Diego Maradona
Amc: Jose Manuel Moreno
Amr: Adolfo Pedernera
Fw: Alfredo di Stefano
Fw: Lionel Messi
Reserves:
Ubaldo Fillol
Carlos Sosa
Juan Pablo Sorin
Robert Perfumo
Roberto Ayala
Fernando Redondo
Antonio Sastre
Juan Roman Riquelme
Raimundo Orsi
Mario Kempes
Omar Sivori
Gabriel Batistuta
Manager:
Helenio Herrera

Brazil

First XI:
Gk: Gilmar
Rb: Djalma Santos
Lb: Roberto Carlos
Cb: Carlos Alberto
Cb: Domingos Da Guia
Mc: Didi
Mc: Paulo Roberto Falcao
Amc: Zico
Rf: Garrincha
Cf: Ronaldo
Lf: Pele
Reserves:
Emerson Leao
Cafu
Nilton Santos
Luis Perreira
Toninho Cerezo
Gerson
Ronaldinho
Jairzinho
Zizinho
Roberto Rivelino
Rivaldo
Romario
Manager:
Mario Zagallo
I applaud the effort but most of these teams are unbalanced.
The Argie side could look 1000x stronger brah!



Only the Brazilian side can top this team.
 

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How is Raul starting ahead of Villa?

Pique should at least be in reserves.

This is some real madrid bias bs.

Villa is Spain all time top scorer.

Raul didnt win sh.t with Spain.

Also Torres should be considered for the reserve bench purely for 2008. He scored in the final vs Germany when Spain hadnt won anything for years.
This isn't just based on their performance for Spain. Otherwise nothing makes sense from what you wrote.
 
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