[Fangio]

BTW ewren't foreigner players since ever in Europe anyway? of course less quantity but Italy had argies since the 20's, and not in minor roles...

Ze you forgot Villa, and Ossie was too much shy, but awesome, he always lived with JJlopez is better, Brindisi is better, and they were awesome players too, but Ossie was equal or better just too much calm...man I miss those 8s....

England had great teams, Liverpool was an excellent side...

 

[Bayman]

The domination of English football stopped when UEFA/FIFA introduced much harsher rules on tacklings and all kinds of physical football (around 1990; most notably 1993 CL final MVB injury).

From then on German, English... football went down and more technical teams became better and better.
As technically gifted players are more protected Spanish teams rule. Look at the way Maradona was fouled and kicked and barely any players received a booking. In todays world he'd run circles around oponents.
More technical football helped PD and that is including lots of Spaniards; just look at Atheltic in UEFA Cup (only Spanish players), they spanked nearly all opponents with some class football and I'm pretty sure that apart from EPL top3 they'd win against any English team over 2 legs.

 

[Bayman]

EUROPEAN CUP
1977 - Liverpool (champions)
1978 - Liverpool (champions)
1979 - Nottm Forest (champions)
1980 - Nottm Forest (champions)
1981 - Liverpool (champions)
1982 - Aston Villa (champions)
1984 - Liverpool (champions)
1985 - Liverpool (runners-up)
1986 - english clubs banned
1987 - english clubs banned
1988 - english clubs banned
1989 - english clubs banned
1990 - english clubs banned

Here's speculation....the champions that weren't
1986 - Everton
1987 - Liverpool
1988 - Everton
1989 - Liverpool etc
QUOTE]

Dont worry, im sure English clubs would of suddenly stopped competing after 1985 even if we werent banned :smileani:

This basically 2 excellent teams (Liverpool and NF).
Back then the Champions Cup only had the Champions of each country and therer were like 6 really tough opponents at maximum you had to beat/or to avoid.

In the same timespan the much broader (for measuring broader quality of league) UEFA Cup barely had any English team featuring in finals.
While during Serie A's 90's domination (1989+) there was an Italian finalist nearly every year, sometimes 2 Italian teams and mostly the winner was Italian.
That was imo a much more dominant overall League than English first division in 80's.
Liverpool and NF was like ManUtd in late 1999, just better. One classy top team. Back then imo Bundesliga was Europe's overall best league and they had a NT to back it up. On a note the 1980 UEFA Cup had 4 German teams (all participants) in semi-finals...something never achieved again.

1977-78 PSV Eindhoven 3-0 Bastia
1978-79 Borussia Moenchengladbach 2-1 Crvena Zvezda Belgrade
1979-80 Eintracht Frankfurt 3-3 Borussia M'gladbach 3-3 (won on away goals)
1980-81 Ipswich Town 5-4 AZ Alkmaar
1981-82 IFK Gothenburg SV 4-0 Hamburg
1982-83 Anderlecht 2-1 Benfica
1983-84 Tottenham Hotspur 2-2 Anderlecht (4-3 on penalties)
1984-85 Real Madrid 3-1 Videoton
1985-86 Real Madrid 5-3 Cologne
1986-87 IFK Gothenburg 2-1 Dundee United
1987-88 Bayer Leverkusen 3-3 Espanyol (3-2 on penalties)
1988-89 Napoli VfB 5-4 VfB Stuttgart
1989-90 Juventus 3-1 Fiorentina
1990-91 Inter Milan 2-1 AS Roma
1991-92 Ajax Amsterdam 2-2 Torino (won on away goals)
1992-93 Juventus 6-1 Borussia Dortmund
1993-94 Inter Milan 2-0 Salzburg
1994-95 Parma 2-1 Juventus
1995-96 Bayern Munich 5-1 Girondins Bordeaux
1996-97 Schalke 04 1-1 Inter Milan (4-1 on penalties)
1997-98 Inter Milan 3-0 Lazio Rome
1998-99 Parma 3-0 Olympique Marseille

 

[ToniSamp]

BTW ewren't foreigner players since ever in Europe anyway? of course less quantity but Italy had argies since the 20's, and not in minor roles...

The foreigner players were forbidden in Italy from 1966 till 1980.

 

[Fangio]

Thanx Toni, even the oriundi?

 

[ToniSamp]

Thanx Toni, even the oriundi?

Above all them!

 

[JCamilo]

I think is time for that again

Summon Bastin then

Toni:

Above all them!

Since 1966 ? I suppose players who are already in Italy are not sent back, for example Mazzola, Jair da Rosa or Amarildo...
Well, even if this rule is like most rules of footbal, where there is always someone finding a way to bend it a little, the existense of such mentality and the change after 1982 when the Italians opened their eyes to the rest of the world again was clear. I remember first Falcao, then Cerezo, Zico, Junior, Edinho, Dirceu, Socrates and even bench players like Batista and Pedrinho all headed to Italian teams. Eder for example did not moved because Atletico-MG was loaded with Cerezo's transfer money and the president could hold him here also afraid of what would happen if two of the main players of Atletico move. Then after a while the opening got bigger yet, allowing 3 players and another momment of growth in the power of Serie A...basically what happened is that since 1982 the footbal became global and the italians have used it with more hunger and they already have a basis of local players in great level to add to this...

 

[Haroon]

Bastin, where are you? He is odds on favourite to take on all of you and beat you! :tongue:

Bastin to win - 10/6 odds! Rambo ain't got nuthin on Bastin. :stuckup:

 

[ToniSamp]

Since 1966 ? I suppose players who are already in Italy are not sent back, for example Mazzola, Jair da Rosa or Amarildo...

Yes. "Mazzola" (it's better if you call him Altafini otherwise those who don't know his nickname in Brazil could misunderstand ) and Co. could remain in Italy till they retired. It regarded just the foreigners who were not in Italy yet.

Well, even if this rule is like most rules of footbal, where there is always someone finding a way to bend it a little, the existense of such mentality and the change after 1982 when the Italians opened their eyes to the rest of the world again was clear. I remember first Falcao, then Cerezo, Zico, Junior, Edinho, Dirceu, Socrates and even bench players like Batista and Pedrinho all headed to Italian teams. Eder for example did not moved because Atletico-MG was loaded with Cerezo's transfer money and the president could hold him here also afraid of what would happen if two of the main players of Atletico move. Then after a while the opening got bigger yet, allowing 3 players and another momment of growth in the power of Serie A...basically what happened is that since 1982 the footbal became global and the italians have used it with more hunger and they already have a basis of local players in great level to add to this...

Exact. :thmbup:

 

[San Siro]

--------------------------Ciuccio
Pirillo---------Minghiuzzi---------Tombini------Scannavacca
Palluzzi--------Caccamo---------Baubau------Coccofresco
---------------Cotechinho-------Mazzamauro

:stuckup::devil: :star::thmbup:

:howler:

What team was that Tony?:lala::stress:

Cheers.

 

[San Siro]

And on the topic at hand, the English teams would have give the Italians a good run for their money, but more often than not, the Italians would have had the edge at the end. The Maradona Napoli and specially the Sacchi Milan team were a cut above all the rest tough...

Cheers.

 

[ToniSamp]

:stuckup::devil: :star::thmbup:

:howler:

What team was that Tony?:lala::stress:

Cheers.

L'Evertone di Livropollo, una squadra Italiana fortissima. :shades: