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please, please, PLEASE....from all true hapoel fans.
please stop saying were representing israel when we play in UEFA, we have an hapoel logo on our shirts, not the israeli flags, we play dor the red color and not for the blue&white.

how could it be that people that usually hate our guts, call our players "mehabel" and other names, that wish for us to lose every week, call us treators cuz we have an arab player, all of a sudden want us to win??? i cant figure it out!!!
when maccabi or beitar play in europe, i wish them to lose every time, in soccer and basketball too, evey week im with another team to beat maccabi.

its like that all over the world, u think liverpool fans are happy when the scum united does well in the CL? that barca fans were happy when real won the CL?

and to end, heres a little alegory to make my point:

leats say you have a girlfriend(hapoel), when shes in youre home(the israeli league) shes just yours(the true fans) but when shes out on the street(uefa) she becomes the property of everyone?

leave our socialist, left winged, anti racist, anti violent hapoel alone, you want to like the "team of the nation"? go to maccabi, beitar or haifa.
 

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We don't cheer you on. Your an embarressment!!! I doubt you will make it far in UEFA and i also doubt that you will be participating in Liga Ahal.

Let Hapoel play teams from the migzar in Liga Leumit......
You and Ben Luz and your depleted embarrassment go down there for a couple of years, lets say 5 years......playing there thats what you deserve.


When a small country like Israel has teams we should be proud, your not...thats why you guys never make it good like you need it. You lost cause of desperation and not thought... So expect to lose to a team like Bestikas next time you play them.
 

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moskal said:
please, please, PLEASE....from all true hapoel fans.
please stop saying were representing israel when we play in UEFA, we have an hapoel logo on our shirts, not the israeli flags, we play dor the red color and not for the blue&white.

how could it be that people that usually hate our guts, call our players "mehabel" and other names, that wish for us to lose every week, call us treators cuz we have an arab player, all of a sudden want us to win??? i cant figure it out!!!
when maccabi or beitar play in europe, i wish them to lose every time, in soccer and basketball too, evey week im with another team to beat maccabi.

its like that all over the world, u think liverpool fans are happy when the scum united does well in the CL? that barca fans were happy when real won the CL?

and to end, heres a little alegory to make my point:

leats say you have a girlfriend(hapoel), when shes in youre home(the israeli league) shes just yours(the true fans) but when shes out on the street(uefa) she becomes the property of everyone?

leave our socialist, left winged, anti racist, anti violent hapoel alone, you want to like the "team of the nation"? go to maccabi, beitar or haifa.
Yes moskal I agree with you. Hapoel Tel Aviv represents only their fans. Beitar represents only their fans. Nothing more. Only the national team "represents" Israel and even that is limited to football fans only. Many Israelis could not care less about the sport so they are not "represented" by the national team or any club team. I want the national team to do well only because it is nice to see our players succeed. Nothing more, nothing less. BTW welcome to the board and a bit of advice. I see that Kappa posted to you. My advice is: ignore him. He is someone who has a lot of complexes. How can you take anyone seriously who lives in Canada but writes in his profile that he lives in Ramat Gan? And then he is posing as an Israeli patriot and always lecturing us blah,blah, he,he. Actually this site has a nice feature called the ignore list. You can put any poster on that list and then you do not see his posts at all. Kappa is on my ignore list so I never even see his posts. Highly recommended. In any case don't get excited about him. His posts are not even worth one second of your time....
 

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I agree with u on the principal level but you got to know that when Hapoel wins in Europe then people from the outside, non-Israelis who cant tell the difference between Maccabi and Hapoel first think:"hmmm this team from Israel reached quarterfinal of European competition". So you do represent Israel, like it or not. You first and foremost represent Hapoel Tel Aviv but you are still listed as Israel's 1st represenative in the UEFA Cup and not 'first represenative for Merkaz Hapoel".

I like Maccabi Tel Aviv but I had supported Hapoel Tel Aviv in Uefa Cup.
 

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Hapoel are Anti-Israel NT and Anti-Nationalistic which is bad...


Like they think there Manchester United when 90% of the football community does not know them.

Just cause you have the Ultra fans and the Gate 5 hooligans, doesn't add up to a filled stadium full of 20,000 fans!

The other team fans support you, because as a country, as a city we think you deserve all the best and i hope that when one day you do not make it, you will support the club who cheered you on!

Its very prestigous to have an Israeli team play in Europe after all!
 

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Raful is right, and so is MM by saying that Kappa is an idiot.

We represent Israel, people in other countries think of us as from ISRAEL and not as Hapoel, our home is in Israel and we are made of majority of Israeli players (unlike quite a few European teams, ever since the Bosman ruling). We represent Israel and I am damn proud of it!
 

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Well, thats good talking Hrevivo, but remember....


Your buddy here, Mr. Moskal doesn't thing so...
He hates the notion of other Israeli teams supporting hapoel or being nationalistic with flags and stuff like that.

He uses Hapoel at a limited entity and brings up things like "IF WE WERE IN ENGLAND, NO ONE WOULD ROUTE FOR US IN ANOTHER TEAM!!!"

That is pure idiotic talk!
And its zevel!!!!!!! Scum!!!!!! :devil:
 

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mister revivo, are you ever coming to happoel games? through all our european journey, they most popular song was "lo meiazzgim et hamdina, lo meiazzgim et hamdina", we have an hapoel logo on our shirts, not the israeli flag, when we lost maccabi and beitar fans were happy, where are you living at? its a rivalary, anyone who fails to see that, doesnt know sh*t about being a fan, doesnt surprise me that a person from north america doesnt havee a clue about being a true fan of a club and not of "israeli football".

oh and diesel, u dont have nothing to say about the facr that if we were in england no one would support us so u call it zevel? is cuz of the size of the country
so take holland, 8 million people, almost as sameas here, go and ask ajax fans if theyre happy that nazi feyennord won the uefa cup, or ask cektick fans if they wish rangers goodl luck in europe.
 

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Actually in England it is true for example that Everton fans hate Liverpool and always want them to lose in the league and in Europe too.. Same with Tottenham fans with Arsenal and everbody else hates Manchester United. Personally I thought that it was good that Hapoel Tel Aviv succeeded in Europe because we went up in the UEFA ranking due to their success. Next year we will have one more team in the UEFA Cup. Of course I understand if a Maccabi Tel Aviv fan wants Hapoel Tel Aviv to lose in Europe and the opposite also. All other fans get to decide which teams to support or not. Personally I will support them all except for Maccabi Tel Aviv in *basketball*. But that is for another forum...
 

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Moskal,


this is bad spormanship.

To be in UEFA for israel is a blessing. You know how much pride Italian teams have when they go into UEFA!?!?!? They have a jersey like ROMA, AC MILAN and LAZIO that show there Italian flag in a patch. They show pride. And i think weather you love the team or not, support is always crucial. I too and from north america and my policy has always been clear. I will support any Israeli team weather it is Hapoel Jerusalem, Beitar Beer Sheva, MAccabi Petach Tikva or Maccabin Netanya in the UEFA!

We need to be strong as one. When we play in Europe, we should support each other, when we play at home, we are rivalries...

We should be thankful for playing in Europe after all...

Lets us be grateful and not regretful...

The clubs come on the feild, from Tel Aviv, representing the Football Association of Israel and not there own. If it was there own they they wouldn't have been part of UEFA at all.

So thats- that!
 

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does barca represents the spanish FA? or scum united represent the english FA?

the anthem is not sung in euro games, and the flag is not raised, we have the hapoel logo on our shirts, not the flag or the FA one, the hapoel logo and thats it.

ur an israeli football fan, good for you, i dont care about israeli football, i only love hapoel. i hate maccabi and beitar and want them to lose everywhere they play, and maccabi and beitar fans want us to lose in uefa just as much i want their teams to lose, and thats how its supposed to be.
 

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Come on Moskal!

Don't be so negative!!

Some do, some don't! I think you got a point, but does it kill you if Maccabi fans want to support your team? just to show the world that you got a good fan base?

If your not here or respectful to Israel, than why go into the competion in Israel, why not be a plug from Belgium or Switzerland or Italy...

You should put some pride!!!!! Its the least thing...after all you don't have a "MAGEN-DAVID" or something nationlistic....whats Hapoel....a man sticking his hands on the air..I'll give him something to stick on!! :devil:

I think you should have:
1) a different jersey when playing in UEFA. Like a Blue or Navy Seal colour....
2) A Patch with the Israeli flag.

If it wasn't for Israel you wouldn't be in UEFA, and you would have died just coming to where u are.

Be thankful?
 

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u keep saying that because of israel and bla bla bla, if it wasnt for spain real wouldnt have be playing in europe, whats the dufference.

death to people who call tuama mechabel, they cant support us in europe, racist dumbasses!
 

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Those who call Tuama mehabel are only jealous of him, they're problem. Many players are being cursed, I fail to see your point. We represent Israel, like it or not, even our players said that. And I live in North America, so, if I wasn't a fan I wouldn't waste a day out of a 2 week trip in Israel to go to Kiryat Eliezer in the rain and see Hapoel play Maccabi Haifa.
If I wasn't a fan I wouldn't care less of how Hapoel is doing, or what's going on with the team.
And one more thing, you have mentioned some teams that they're fans do not support their country teams, but you fail to recognize the fact that you're talking about top clubs from top football nations, who have won European titles and are well known around the world, something we are not. In another post in the forum about the players in Young Boys we see that they can't tell between us and Maccabi or between Maccabi and Maccabi Petah Tikva, which just shows that all that they really look at is ISRAEL. Another thing is that fans of teams like Barcelona who do to historical reasons do not identify with Spain because they were not always part of Spain, and there are other examples. Tel Aviv has always been part of Israel and there is no demand of making Tel Aviv into part of another country.
If you are a Hapoel fan because of hate to other teams, than you are not a true fan.
 

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im an hapoel fan sonce i was 5(im 22 now), and i hate maccabi for a lot of reasons, but thats not the reason i love hapoel, if it was that way, i would have a tattoo of an X on the maccabi symbol on my arm, and not the hapoel symbol i have.

the true fans that come to every game, all want maccabi to lose in europe, we all sang "roda roda roda, ole ole ole", just like maccabi sang to us "toda raba lach A.C milan".
 

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Interesting discussion to say the least.

I totally agree with most of what Hrevivo and Raful said. I am a Beitar fan and although I never thought it is possible, I was actually rooting for Hapoel in Europe this season, because at the end of the day their success promotes Israeli football and Israel. It might sound like a cliche but trust me guys, when people see some Israeli team winning against famous clubs in Europe, it makes people think of Israel not only in the relation of being the place it currently is, which is what most people would think of when you tell them the name 'Israel'.

Secondly, as MM said, Hapoel's success helped Israeli footie alot by getting us one more UEFA-Cup seat which is great.

Regarding the Maccabi-Hapoel rivalry, not only I totally see where commie is coming from but I agree and respect him for that. Every normal football country has its inner-rivalry and it's great to see friendly banter in Israel too (although sometimes it's not too friendly...fireworks in reserve league game comes to mind ;) ). Having said that I don't think it's fair to critisize and single out those who do support Maccabi in Europe as 'not real fans'. You can support the same team but have different opinions on the same issue, it doesn't make one a less fan then you. :)

BTW: Maccabi Tel Aviv's Basketball team is the only team I would never root for in Europe as well, but as MM said, that's for another forum. :D
 
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