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Sometimes I buy a German magazine about fanculture called '11 freunde' (11 friends). This time it contained this page...

 

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Ok, I didn't see any attachment when I asked you. Maybe something to do with the restriction on my former machine. Thought you had forgot the attachment.
Nice pic:)

It is 24 copa del rey, by the way. The magazine is wrong:)
 

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From the left to the right;
Top; Luis Arconada, Genaro Celayeta, Eliseo Murillo, Javier Zubillaga, Alberto Gorriz & Julio Olaizola;
Bottom; Tomás Orbegozo, Diego, Jua Antonio Larrañaga, Roberto Lopez Ufarte, Iñaki Anza (medical) & Pedro Uralde.
Just before the Europa Cup I semi final versus HSV, in Hamburg.

It's an article in a Dutch magazine, unfortunately about glorious teams from the past. They tell about the recent botella-incident versus Eibar, to compare with the glory from the past.
For example the 32-unbeaten-matches run in 1979/1980.
Players like Arconada (and the story about his mistake in the European Championship final, while he was / is about the best goalies ever), Periko Alonso, Satrúrstegui, Bakero etc.
The whole story about politics, showing the Ikurriña in the derby etc. And of course about the match versus HSV, when they got eliminated, in 1983, where the picture is from...



It is 24 copa del rey, by the way. The magazine is wrong:)
Sorry I forgot to answer, but the text says we're celebrating the 23rd :).
 

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I don't care what the official stats reports. In my opinion the one in 1902 counts, and that is what is important:)
They were one team the next year, and nothing really happened after 1902. The same players were playing for the same team, but with different name.
 

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Who doesn't remember...? :proud:

'the most beautifull final'



btw, about the copa's, of course we won 24, but in that picture, in post one of this topic, we're celebrating the 23rd. :) That's what I meant to say.
 

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I remember that game, Alaves kept fighting back and lost it in the end to a 'golden' own goal. That was the third of three cups Liverpool won that year (FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup).

A shame to see Alaves back in Segunda but I guess for them to reach the UEFA Cup final itself was an incredible achievement.
 

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Using this thread for some history concerning Basque football I sometimes accidentally come passed, here I found some nice part when someone is promoting a book (How Soccer Explains Soviet Life)
about the history of Russian football, in one chapter of about 5 mins they're talking about a huge match from Spartak Moskva, the club of the people, against a Basque selection.

http://fora.tv/2009/10/30/How_Soccer_Explains_Soviet_Life#chapter_09

However I've got no clue which 'selection' it was as I've always thought we haven't played (official?) matches between 1938 and 1979

http://www.rsssf.com/tablesb/bask-intres.html

Anyway, enjoy ;).
 

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Couldn't find a specific thread so picked this one. About that magazine '11 freunde', they've got a stadium poster every month which are quite nice ones. This edition contains one of San Mamés, very nice picture of a completely filled stadium with the arco versus Barça.

It's the January 2011 edition, so if some of you accidentally comes passed it make sure you take it with you ;).
 

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I wish this is the right place...

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History of the Spanish football (IV): 1911-1915, the creation of RFEF, Athletic dominance and first idols
Previous chapter: History of the Spanish football (III): 1905-1910, the years of crisis and division

During this decade, the most important event was the creation of the RFEF, which allowed the Spanish football to enter in FIFA. This event was not exempt from problems and divisions in the Spanish football. In these years, Athletic Club was the most important club of the country and their regional dominance was extended to the Copa del Rey. These years were also times of crisis for Madrid FC and FC Barcelona, who saw how clubs that have disappeared, like Gimnástica de Madrid or FC España became powers in their zone. At the same time, the first idols appear, like "Pichichi" in Athletic Club or Paulino Alcántara in FC Barcelona.

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History of the Spanish football (V): 1916-1920, the Basque power, the Madrid-Barça rivalry and the "furia roja"


In these five years, the first big icons of football started to appear, the first real stars of football in Spain. In that sense, players like "Pichichi", Belauste, Acedo, Ricardo Zamora, Félix Sesúmaga, René Petit, Santiago Bernabéu, Sancho, Samitier or Alcantara were already well-known by the public and their fame was in constant growth. These were years of Basque domination, with their teams winning titles and playing finals, while Madrid FC and FC Barcelona consolidated their position in their zones. Madridistas and culés broke their good relationshup with a run of hot clashes in the year 1916, which set the base of the biggest rivalry in football. The decade was closed by the first games of the Spanish NT and their silver medal in the Olympic Games 1920.

TOTAL FOOTBALL BLOG

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Guys, I really enjoyed preparing this entry. I've been reading old newspapers of Madrid and Barcelona which gave me an idea about the growing atmosphere about football back then. Sadly, there are not sources of other regions, especially from Euskadi (at least, not that I know).

The clashes between Barcelona and Real Madrid in 1916 that broke the relationships of these clubs forever, reminded me a bit the ones of last year, given the consequence of it.

Amazed by the Basque football back then... Real Unión, Arenas and, of course, Athletic and Real Sociedad.

IMO, very interesting.
 

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History of the Spanish football (VI): 1921-1925, Basque-Catalan dominance, the Real Madrid-Athletic Madrid rivalry and first steps of professionalism

The silver medal of Spain in Antwerp had an extraordinary effect on the game, whose popularity reached unknown levels. New, modern and bigger stadiums were built, like Les Corts, Sarrià, Stadium Metropolitano, Chamartín or Mestalla and others increased their size, like San Mamés in Bilbao. These years were times of domination of the Catalan and Basque football, since their clubs won all the Copa titles. In Madrid, the most important event was the rise of Athletic Madrid as main rival of Real Madrid, setting the base of an eternal rivalry. New regional tournaments appeared, the pressure of professionalism grew and the political powers started to make the first political interventions on the game.


1920-1921


After the Olympic triumph, football gained more popularity among the Spanish fans and the attendances in the stadiums did not stop growing. But this good news went along with internal fights in the Spanish football.

In the Campionat de Catalunya, FC Barcelona showed why they were the favorites to win the title. The team of Samitier, Zamora and Alcántara only lost one game in the whole tournament and won the title easily. In this edition, CE Europa appears as main rival of the Catalans, although not being a real threat. As main event, the relegation of FC España to the Catalan second division. With this relegation and the economic crisis of the club, FC España, who had been a power of the Catalan football in the previous decade, disappeared just a couple of years later.

In Madrid, the King Alfonso XIII gave Madrid FC the "Real" title, so the club started to be called Real Madrid FC since then. But this historical date for the madridismo did not go along with the sport success and the team completes one of their worst seasons in a long time. As a consequence of it, the league was a fight between Racing Madrid and Athletic Madrid. The colchoneros ended up winning the title for the first time in their history and finally appearing as a powerful club in the capital of Spain. It was also remarkable the announcement of a new project: the construction of the Estadio Metropolitano, which was promoted by the real estate departments of the underground train company, which was supposed to be the home of all the teams of the city.


Madrid FC gets Real

In the Basque Country, Athletic Club won the title in Bizkaia, showing the superiority of "Pichichi", Belauste, Acedo and the rest. At the same time, Real Unión Irún wins the title of Gipuzkoa in their fight with Real Sociedad.

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TOTAL FOOTBALL BLOG

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More titles of Athletic, times of dominance of Basque football, triumphs and finals of Arenas and Real Unión and much more... I wish you enjoy it.
 

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History of Spanish football (VII): 1926-1928, the professional football and Samitier's golden era

Professional football became a fact in these years. The clubs agreed to take a step forward due to the internal pressure of the players and the international debate about the matter. In this new scenario, the clubs had to find new ways to fund their activity and one of the main agreements was to increase the amount of games in order to get higher incomes via tickets. In this situation, the creation of a league similar to the English one became a necessity, although the debates were long and not exempt from polemics. At the same time, in order to adapt to the new times, the Copa acted as a kind of league and cup tournament all together. In these years, Barcelona kept dominating the competitions, having their main rivals among the Basque teams.

1925-1926

During this season, not only in Spain, but in the World football in general, the debate on the professionalization of the sport rise to change the shape of the game forever. In the FIFA congress of Rome, the debate broke since the main international tournament at that time, the Olympic games, and football were questioned. The Olympic spirit was based on amateurism, but professional football was a fact in several countries, especially in the four associations of the United Kingdom and in Denmark. In other countries, like Spain, professionalism was also a question that had to be answered. In Rome, despite the debates which did not close the question of professionalism, FIFA ended up approving a first definition of it. As a consequence, the RFEF also approved professionalism domestically.

Professionalism required new structures. The clubs needed to find new ways to fund the new expenses on salaries and, as a consequence of it, new ideas to rise the amount of spectators, members and ticket-holders in their stadiums. The adoption of professionalism made necessary the reform of the competitions which mainly had a local or regional character in order to jump from this reduced territorial impact to a national tournament with a higher amount of games that would make possible to face the new expenses of the sport. The final step of this process was the creation of La Liga in the year 1929. Until then, new steps were taken in order to accomplish with these goals and, in this season, these new ideas affected the most traditional national competition: the Copa del Rey.


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The golden years of Real Unión and Arenas Club... transition years in Athletic. The "hot" final of Real Sociedad-Barcelona... I wish you like it.
 

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History of the Spanish football (VIII): 1928-1929, FC Barcelona win the first Liga and RCD Espanyol's first Copa


Previous chapter: History of Spanish football (VII): 1926-1928, the professional football and Samitier's Golden Era

The precedents

At the end of the 1927-1928 season, given the failure of the two league attempts, the clubs and the RFEF knew that they had to reach an agreement for the good of everyone. In June 1928, in the facilities of Real Madrid, the representatives of the clubs that had formed the "Liga Máximalista" and the "Liga Mínima" meet to agree the creation of a league that satisfies everyone. Members of the following clubs assisted: Celta de Vigo, Deportivo de la Coruña, Sporting de Gijón, Real Oviedo, Racing Santander, Gimnástica Torrelavega, Athletic Club, Arenas Club, CD Alavés, FC Barcelona, RCD Español, CD Europa, SD Iberia, Real Unión Irún, Real Sociedad, Osasuna, Athletic Madrid, Valencia FC, Real Murcia, Sevilla FC and Real Madrid FC.

The debate was held with normality, studying several formats of competition, although none of them received the overall approval. In order to find a definitive solution, an executive commission formed by representatives of Real Madrid, Athletic Madrid, FC Barcelona, RCD Español, Iberia SD, Real Sociedad, Athletic Club, Real Unión and Sevilla FC was named to find a solution. This executive commission held new meetings at the end of June, once the last Copa final had been played. This commission presented a proposal about the creation of the Campeonato Nacional de Liga (from now on, Liga). The proposal was the creation of a first division (Primera División) formed by 8 teams, the six historic Copa winners (Athletic Club, FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Real Unión, Real Sociedad and Arenas Club) plus Athletic Madrid and RCD Español, considered two of the oldest clubs in Spain. The second division (Segunda División) would be formed by Sevilla FC, Sporting Gijón, Real Oviedo, RC Celta, RC Deportivo, Racing Santander, CD Alaves, CA Osasuna, Iberia SD, CD Europa, Racing Madrid and Valencia FC. In the early days of July, the proposal was rejected in the National Assembly by the excluded teams and for those who bet for a bigger league (the historic winners did not want to accept more than 8 teams). The disagreements still existed and the Basque clubs threat to break the negotiations to create their own Copa tournament, the clubs of Galicia also threat to enter in the Portuguese league, while others protested since they considered Real Sociedad should not be considered direct heir of the Club Ciclista that won the Copa of 1909.

The discussions were eternal and new debates were held in September and October. Finally, at the end of November, when the regional tournaments and the Copa had already started, the Extraordinary National Assembly agreed the creation of a league of 10 teams: the six Copa winners, previously mentioned, plus three finalists: CD Europa, RCD Español and Athletic Madrid. The 10th team would be the winner of an intensive previous tournament that had to be played by the Segunda División teams: Sevilla FC, Racing Santander, Valencia FC, RC Celta, RC Deportivo, Sporting Gijón, Iberia SD, CD Alavés and Real Betis. Since the winner of this tournament would not end up playing in Segunda, Racing Madrid would occupy the vacant in Segunda División.




The teams

Athletic Club

The Basque club was managed by Máximo Royo, who replaced, the Hungarian coach Lippo Hertzka. At that point, the president De la Sota and the manager Royo decided to start a deep renewal and their most important players were the goalkeeper Blasco (19 years old), the midfielder Garizurieta (20 years old) or the forwards Unamuno (19), De la Fuente (21) and Chirri II (19). Their last biggest achievement in the national level was the Copa victory of 1923, although they still had won the last regional tournament in 1928. Athletic Club was the most successful club ever in the Spanish football, although their recent seasons had been disappointing, compared with their golden era in the previous decade, so they were not a clear favorite to win the titles that had to be played this season. The youth of the team made unpredictable their performance in the season that had to start.

FC Barcelona

The culés were considered the best team of the moment. In the previous years, the club managed by Romà Forns had won three of the last four Copas and their dictatorship in the regional level was a fact. The Catalans had a very strong squad with very important players. mixing veteran players and promising names, like the legendary goalie Platko (30 years old), the German defender Walter (28), the mids Castillo (20) and Guzmán (27), or the forwards Piera (25), Sastre (22) or Parera (21). Among them, the forward Josep Samitier (26) was not only the star of the team, but also the best player of those years. The recent titles and the quality of the squad made everyone consider Barcelona the biggest favorite for this new season.

Real Madrid FC

The madridistas had been living their worst years in terms of results. In the Copa del Rey, their only achievement had been a final in 1924 and Athletic Madrid had emerged as big rival in the regional tournaments. In this situation, the club decides to make a radical change in their approach and, with the resignation of José Berraondo, the club signs the former barcelonista and madridista player José Quirante and starts a race to sign important players. As a consequence of it, players like the promising striker Jaime Lazcano (19 years old) and the veteran Juan Urquizu (27), sign from Osasuna; the young Gaspar Rubio (21) signs from Levante; and the club "steals" from their local rival, the Athletic Madrid star, Triana (26), a player of the so called "the Athletic Madrid of the lords", as a consequence of the internal institutional problems of this club, which caused some delay in the payments. Aside this signings, the veteran players José M. Peña (33), who had signed from Arenas Club in 1926, and the icon Monjardín (25) were the references of the team. All these signings made the fans dream for a better season.

Jaime Lazcano in Real Madrid

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The whole season in TOTAL FOOTBALL BLOG
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How the great Athletic of the 30s was built? This was a trophyless season, but the first steps towards a historical Athletic. It's worth to read it, IMO :)
 

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History of the Spanish football: 1929-1930. Athletic's double

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With this new title, the 11th Copa in Athletic's history, the Basque club seemed to open a new era in the Spanish football. Fred Pentland's team had shown a brilliant image during the season, unbeaten in Liga and completing the fantastic season with the Double achieved in the final of Montjuïc. Athletic's team was young, talented, fast and agressive, having all the elements to dominate in the years to come, in the new decade. At the same time, Barcelona had shown a declining image, with the most important players in veteran ages and without a realistic replacement for them in the horizon. Real Madrid had shown to be a fantastic team, but very irregular in their performances, mixing amazing games with pathetic matches, which made impossible to find a wished regularity. Fred Pentland's Athletic seemed to be the team of the years to come.



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Guys, I really think you'll like this season ;)
 
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