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The PFDK have decided to suspend Ümit Özat for 4 games and to suspend daum for 15 days! :D

This is the verdict Fenerbahce gets for being the most gentleman like team in the league....:D

despite all crap that goes around on the league they can actually penelize Fener like this....:D

Carew can hit PVH, knee him....and then openly sneeze on a player....and "practically" get away with it.....Ayhan can curse straight to Cem Papila's face and get nothing.....Gökdeniz can attack the refs and not get a cent in penalty. Diyarbakir can terrorize on the stands during an entire game, using PKK chants and get away with a 70,000 YTL fine (how convenient.....if they closed the stadium Fener would have been benefitted).

Daum gets 15 days of suspension for something i dont have a clue of....and ûmit Özat gets a 4 match ban for cursing....normally they get 2 games....but a Fener player always deserve more....:D

And guess what Giray Bulak gets away with.....nothing! :D


Despite all of this some people have the nerve to call the TFF for Fenerasyon.....allah belanizi versin! :D
 

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Cenk I disagree with you, but i really do not feel like debating it because it's a never ending debate. In the end, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But just one thing: Bela okuma.
 

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No actually Yilmaz do tell me why you would disagree....im very interested!:)

again....allah hepsinin belasini versin!
 

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Im off to bed now....but do explain to me and ill read it tomorrow morning!

Haydi iyi geceler bro....:)
 

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I think they want to see a *fun* championship so Fener can drop points in order for GS to grab a few points and then we battle it out and it all comes down in Week 33 where we play GS in the SSS :fero:

That is my own opinion though so don't bitch about it.
 

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Cenk, kardesim..
I really didn't want to get into this stuff because it'll cause unnecessary tension..But I'll just type up my reasoning, and you're free to agree or disagree. But once again, I'm not interested in a lengthy debate over this matter :)

Now I think the Fenerbahce board members such as Mahmut uslu are short of being 'sehir eskiyasi' with their constant threatening of anyone in their way. It's no surprise that their attitude is rubbing off on the team. I respect Fenerbahce as a important part of Turksh football but I have no respect for A.Yildirim and his gang who think that 'might is right'. Threatening newspaper journalists, saying: 'Ben isimi polise birakacak kadar beceriksiz degilim' to his own congress or: 'Cekme yoksa doverim' to a journalist...are just some examples of how too much power can get to someone's head.

That's why I disagree. If you're saying 'allah belalarini versin' to those who disagree with you, then don't forget: 'Bela hakedilmiyorsa okuyana denk gelir'.

Here's the newsstory, make what you will of it.

Now I know you'll have a lengthy response, but really...I do not feel like discussing this. make what you will from my post because i don't want to spend hours debating a topic like this over the net. I'm getting too old for this stuff. :skull:
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NEWSSTORY:


Denizlispor Kulubu Baskani Zafer Katranci, Fenerbahce macinda yasananlarla ilgili Futbol Federasyonu ve Kulupler Birligi`ni goreve cagirdiklarini belirtti.
Teknik direktor Giray Bulak da Umit Ozat`in milli takima alinmamasi icin Federasyon Baskani Levent Bicakci ve Milli Takimlar Teknik Direktoru Ersun Yanal`a mektup yazdigini bildirdi.

Katranci, Bulak`la birlikte duzenledigi basin toplantisinda, Fenerbahce
ile oynanan Turkiye Kupasi macinda meydana gelen olaylara degindi. Katranci, macin esit sartlarda oynanmadigini, Denizlispor`un hak etmedigi cirkin ve utanc verici saldirilara maruz kaldigini soyledi.

Umit Ozat ile olan diyologu nedeniyle bazi spor yorumculari tarafindan elestirilen Bulak`a sahip cikan Katranci, soyle konustu:
``Akredite karti olmayan Fenerbahce yoneticileri sahaya ve soyunma
odalarina girerek, UEFA ve Futbol Federasyonu talimatlarini cignemislerdir.

Fenerbahce taraftarlari, mac boyunca Denizlispor ve hocamiza kufur
etmistir. Seref tribununde bulunan Fenerbahce yoneticileri, Denizlispor yonetim kurulu ve eslerine ahlaka va adaba aykiri hareketlerde bulunmuslardir.

Umit Ozat, oyundan atilmasina ragmen oyun alanini terk etmemis,
Bulak`a kufretmistir. Daum ise Denizlispor yedek kulubesine kadar gelerek Bulak`a omuz vurmus ve kufretmistir.

Aziz Yildirim, federasyon temsilcisi ve mac gozlemcisine sik sik
itirazlarda bulunmustur. Stat hoporlerinden sik sik anons yapilip Denizlispor`un isliklanmasiistenmistir.

Hocamiz, Kanal D`nin yayin odasinda roportaj yaparken Fenerbahce Baskani Yildirim, TV gorevlisine `atin bu serefsizi, konusturmayin` diyerek hakaret etmistir.

Kanal D gorevlisinin ``oyle sey olur mu`` demesi uzerine, korumasina ``Vurun bu serefsizi`` diye talimat vermistir.`` Yapilan haksizliga karsi hukuki yollardan sonuna kadar haklarini arayacaklarini ifade eden Katranci, ``Fenerbahce macinda yasananlarla ilgili Futbol Federasyonu ve Kulupler Birligi`ni goreve cagiriyoruz.


Kulubumuz ve hocamiza yonelik hakaret iceren yorum ve yazilara karsi Basin Kanunu`ndan dogan haklarimiz kullanilacaktir. Kufur ve hakaretlere karsi manevi tazminat ve ceza davalari acilacaktir`` dedi.

BULAK`IN ACIKLAMASI

Basin toplantisina katilan Denizlispor Teknik direktoru Giray Bulak da Umit Ozat hakkinda soyledigi iddia edilen sozlerle ilgili soru uzerine, sunlari soyledi: ``Fenerbahce maci sonrasi Avusturya`ya giderken Adnan Menderes Havaalani`nda bazi gazetecilerle sohbet ettik. Konu adi gecen kisiye de geldi. Onunla ilgili olumlu rapor almadigimizi soyledim. Ama iddia edilen sozleri soylemedim.
Ama bu arkadaslar, konustuklarimizi mac oncesi futbolcuya abartili sekilde aktarip, herhalde onun motivasyonunu saglamak istediler.`` Fenerbahce macinda Turk antrenorunun durusunu sergiledigini savunan Bulak, ``Artik Turk antrenoru ensesine tokat vurulup elinden ekmegi alinan olmayacak. Orada `bizi yendiniz tesekkur ederiz
mi` diyecektik. Korkak davranmadan, nasil davranmam gerekiyorsa oyle davrandim.

Yarin, `ben buyuk takimlardan birini calistirabilirim` gibi bir dusunce
icine girip, kulubume ihanet etmedim`` diye konustu. Futbol Federasyonu Baskani Levent Bicakci`ya hitaben bir mektup yazdigini,
bunu Milli Takimlar Teknik Direktoru Ersun Yanal`a da gonderdigini aciklayan Bulak, sozlerini soyle tamamladi: ``Adi gecen futbolcunun (Umit Ozat) Turk Milli Takimi`na cagrilmamasini, kaptanliginin elinden alinmasini istedim. Bu talebim olumlu sonuc vermezse, mahkemeye basvuracagimi bildirdim. Ben Turk futboluna 100`un uzerinde futbolcu
kazandirdim. 25 yildir antrenorluk yapiyorum. O statta benim esim de vardi. 3 saat boyunca ona kufredildi.`` Bulak, benzer bir mektubu Fenerbahce Baskani Aziz Yildirim`a yazmayi dusundugunu de kaydetti.
 

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Sure we have a great federation. They are keeping everything under control very well! :mad:
 

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The Umit Ozat suspension actually benefits Fenerbahce in a big way Rustu should have been included too.
 

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Yilmaz, i do understand why you would critisize the best board in Turkish history ever.

Thgere is a reason why people hate Aziz Yiuldirim and his board......that's because he has made Fener as big as it is.

Fener is twice as big as GS in financial teras....and 5 times as big as besiktas. This have made our board and club powerful which is provioking for many teams and their fans....:)

Those accusations you are making against Mahmut Uslu and Aziz Yildirim are only news you have read in the papers.

I bet you dont want me to bring up people like Sinan Engin (who had big connetiions with Cakisici) or Serdar Bilgili.......i dont even rate Yildirim Demrirören as an important club president. The way he has run the club this season shouldnt be acceptable for a club like Besiktas.

The newsstory you posted is just nonsens...:D

The kanald reporter said he never heard Aziz Yildirim say anything like that.....and neither did he respond!

This only another pathetic attempt trying to stop Fener's march towards another championship title....!

Most teams have depth inntheir squad because someone might get injured.....fener has depth in the squad in case things like this happens! :D
 

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Now I think the Fenerbahce board members such as Mahmut uslu are short of being 'sehir eskiyasi' with their constant threatening of anyone in their way. It's no surprise that their attitude is rubbing off on the team.[/b]
It's a mystery how you can come up witrh something like this.

Fenerbahce is by miles the most gentlemanlike and sporsmanlike team in the league.....Ümit Özat cursed for the first time in his life.....and got his first card in his career and you connect this to our board....bravo be! :D

What does this say about your board then....carew sneezes on a player'
s face, he knees and slaps PVH. Emre Asik fingers Nobre....then in the same game they cut his face.

One guy dies on the stands.....your security guards knock down players.....and you are actually critisizing my board. It just doesnt make sense.

Tell me which player in Fener you find lack charater and is agressive (ugly) when he plays?

Alex?
Aurelio?
PVH?
Anelka?
Tuncay?
Deniz?
Servet?
Ümit?
Rüstü?
Önder?
Kemal?
Yozgatli?
Selcuk
Serhat?


the only one i can come up with is Luciano.....other than that you cant mention one player who has the character of Emre Asik, Carew, Tayfur, Ibo, Ahmed Hassan, Sergen aso....
Serkan?
 

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I nearly choked on my breakfast when I read this.... Unbelievable, even by TFF standards...
 

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Because of your fanaticism, you either don't want to see the truth or you take pleasure in manipulating events.

The 'cut' on your players face was an accident which can happen in any gam, the 'death' in the stands was unfortunate but it was a planned out murder which could've have taken place anywhere but the murderer chose Inonu stadium. Yapma bu kadarda kardesim...

Your board are a bunch of sehir eskiyasi, they show guns to members of other boards, they attack coaches of other basketball teams in the corridors after games, they threaten to end the careers of Turkish coaches, they attack everything in their way and then make up myths about how innocent they are and how everyone hates them.
They are way too aggressive, and need to cool down. Might does not make right, and i don't think their ways will benefit Turkish football.

If you can't see this...It's only normal, you're a fan and you're just supporting your team.

Anywayz, this is a never ending debate, and I wouldn't expect you to agree with me on something like this, and I really-really do not feel like engaging in more debate because i can see this discussion headed to the sewer.

So whatever response you give, I will not respond.
This is my personal opinion, and you're entitled to your own, so let's keep it at that.

Hadi cezaniz gecmis olsun, Biz cok yedik gecen seneden beri, o kadar ki ilk devre hicbir maci tam oynayamadik, o yuzden derdinizi anliyorum.
 

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Overlooking all the conspiracy and talk about the TFF preferring one team over another...I just can't believe how screwed up the TFF's criterias for suspensions are.
This is a shame because it causes more fanaticism. When a ruling body is inconsistent and not in line with the majority of peoples thinking (everyone, not just FB GS, BJK, etc. supporters) the people can revolt.

TFF :thmbdown:
 

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I have faith in Roland Koch to manage the team. He's very much aligned with Daums thinking and has a good rapport with the players.
The only question will be how much these suspensions distract the teams preparation. Hopefully it does the opposite and brings everyone at Fenerbahce closer together to overcome this.
I also have faith that the republic of Fenerbahce will protest this in a civil way and not givethe TFF an excuse to cause further damage.
 

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D-lite said:
Because of your fanaticism, you either don't want to see the truth or you take pleasure in manipulating events.

The 'cut' on your players face was an accident which can happen in any gam, the 'death' in the stands was unfortunate but it was a planned out murder which could've have taken place anywhere but the murderer chose Inonu stadium. Yapma bu kadarda kardesim...

Your board are a bunch of sehir eskiyasi, they show guns to members of other boards, they attack coaches of other basketball teams in the corridors after games, they threaten to end the careers of Turkish coaches, they attack everything in their way and then make up myths about how innocent they are and how everyone hates them.
They are way too aggressive, and need to cool down. Might does not make right, and i don't think their ways will benefit Turkish football.

If you can't see this...It's only normal, you're a fan and you're just supporting your team.

Anywayz, this is a never ending debate, and I wouldn't expect you to agree with me on something like this, and I really-really do not feel like engaging in more debate because i can see this discussion headed to the sewer.

So whatever response you give, I will not respond.
This is my personal opinion, and you're entitled to your own, so let's keep it at that.

Hadi cezaniz gecmis olsun, Biz cok yedik gecen seneden beri, o kadar ki ilk devre hicbir maci tam oynayamadik, o yuzden derdinizi anliyorum.
Yilmaz, why do you call it fanatisim when someone doesnt agree with your opinions?

Manipulating events....sure....im the new Sigmund Freud....:D

There is so much to say about your board but i really am not up to it.....and i dont want us to ruin the calm in our forum these days. Remember it was you who came to this topic....not me calling you!

This was an issue which had no involvement with Besiktas but you still had to interefere....that's ok though!

And then you keep calling our boardmembers sehir eskiyasi.....arent you the one always saying not to belittle your beloved Besiktas?:)


Anyways....our board will appeal this decision and hopefully there are some sane people who will decrease the punishment to it's normal.

Ümit Özat should have a 2 game suspension and Daum should be freed. Instead Giray Bulak should be suspended for like a month.....he is the only one joining all TV-shows and getting himself a rating! Pathetic....
 

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Aziz Yildirim does have a big mouth though no one can deny this. I would like to see Fatih Altayli and Aziz Yildirim go at it for 5 rounds. I'll pay to see that :excited:
 

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I was watching a video of the Denizlispor match again and now I'm pissed.
I can't understand how Giray Bulak gets away with NO PUNISHMENT. If he hadn't protested Luciano's foul by coming 5 meters out on to the pitch, none of this would have happened. I can't believe Fenerbahce are being made out to be the instigators and the only ones who did anything wrong :wallbang: :wallbang: :wallbang:

Glad to see the new TFF comissioner has really moved on from the ways of Ulusoy :finger:
 

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Watching it the first time was enough......Giray Bulak enters the pitch waiving his finger towards Luciano and the ref. ûmit Özat tells him to go back....but he doesnt do it.....then the ref comes in between but Ümit seems really pissed and says something (probably cursing)....and all of a sudden Ümit is handed a red card.

If ûmit cursed then he no doubt deserved the red card.....but i honestly cant grasp how Giray gets away with a punishment....instead they give us a bonus by suspending Daum for 15 days!

It's like a comedy....
 

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I think Diyarbakir getting away with on 70,000YTL punishment is the biggest surprise of the lot imo...
 

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Ok here it is....the joke of the year!!!!!


Fenerbahce's appeal to the Tahkim Kurulu has been turned down (must be a first) and Ümit Özat will still serve his 4 game suspension! :howler:

This is the the same tahkim kurulu who has accepted every appeal made and decreased all verdicts made by the PFDK.....

Yes, Aziz Yildirim is definately controlling this league, the FENERASYON, the MHK aso....:D
 
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