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szövkap May 20th, 2019 18:06

Austria non felix
 
what you think about what was that?

was it planned beforehand? looks pretty much like it. and if so, who is behind it?

entire country in political turmoil now

ah, yes, before there are any misunderstandings:

it's about the one without Cangaroos

szövkap May 20th, 2019 18:09


szövkap May 20th, 2019 18:42

fun fact: circa 15 years ago, my mother was on holidays at the Wörther See in Carinthia. on a party in the main village, she met that H.C. Strache guy and it was before some elections, not sure if Carinthia or Austrian-wide, but he tried to persuade her to vote FPÖ, we are the new force, the best party and blah blah, after half hour of listening to it, she told him, "even though you have nice blue eyes, I will surely not vote for you guys, I live in Germany and don't have Austrian citizenship anymore" :D

Morierinho May 20th, 2019 23:29


szövkap May 21st, 2019 01:09

Slovensko or Slovenska, that sounds like Syldavia or Borduria :proud:

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...tAdJtcSDD11jl0

szövkap May 21st, 2019 01:12

the only interesting political thing happening in Europe these days, wonder when this thread will be closed?

szövkap May 21st, 2019 19:30

maybe now the path is open for the NEOS, the Libertarian Party who jumped from 5% to 9% in the polls within a few days :wee:

Morierinho May 21st, 2019 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by szövkap (Post 22805061)
maybe now the path is open for the NEOS, the Libertarian Party who jumped from 5% to 9% in the polls within a few days :wee:


Sure they are, that's why they oppenly suppport the creation of the United States of Europe. :howler: They're Liberals in the current anglo-american sense, which is to say libtards.

szövkap May 21st, 2019 21:49

Libtards yeah sure, that‘s why they have a full Friedmanesque economy programm, man you are being lame even for your standards

as for Europe, they prefer a stronger federalism with more say for the member countries/regions, as opposed to a Brussels based Centralism

Morierinho May 21st, 2019 23:25

The federal government in the US has more power over each state in the union than the EU does over its member states , Eurofederalism is a only a step in that same direction, which I suppose is the reason that they belong to maniac Guy Verhofstadt's ALDE group.

When they, say, adopt Friedman's stance on antidiscrimination laws instead of throwing around buzzwords like tolerance and solidarity I might reconsider, but until then they're just another Lib Dem stalking horse.

szövkap May 21st, 2019 23:47

not sure what antidiscrimination has to do with it, but they are

pro a negative income tax Friedman style
contra minimal salary
contra Vermögens- und Erbschaftssteuer
pro autonomy of schools from the government
pro a competition of various school models
pro legalization of cannabis
contra heavy taxes on the rich
pro privatization of energy, telecom and railway companies
contra subsidizing of political parties
pro a more direct democracy Swiss style with referendums rather than central government made laws

Libtard much?

Morierinho May 22nd, 2019 00:12

And pro-open borders, which means expansion of the welfare state and the influx of masses of socialist voters... which is why even despite certain inclinations, Friedman would've never supported such a policy.

Sure, Libtards would never support free hashish. :err:

The fact alone that they want further EU integration means they're either deluded or not really Libertarians after all.

Morierinho May 22nd, 2019 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by szövkap (Post 22805113)
pro a more direct democracy Swiss style with referendums rather than central government made laws


With important exceptions, I'm sure. You know, tolerance and solidarity.

szövkap May 22nd, 2019 01:56

I wouldn't know of any more tolerant country in Europe than Switzerland. solidarity between the cantons is also big there. so again, unsure what you mean with your blahblah.

legal (not free) cannabis is a typical libertarian thing. it may be that some libtard tending people agree with it, but typically Libtard parties don't support that idea much. at least not here, not the Greenies, not Die Linke, not the SPD, not Merkel, not Liste Pilz, not the SPÖ. only the FDP and the NEOS do.

then again, how would they expand the welfare state when their economy program obviously aims at reducing it?

socialist voters who'd support NEOS or FDP, now I've heard it all :howler:

szövkap May 22nd, 2019 02:33

you still haven‘t commented on Strache‘s Ibiza-video. What‘s the deal with that one?

szövkap May 22nd, 2019 02:49

Mossad?

Morierinho May 22nd, 2019 04:11

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I know you were trying to get the thread going but EU as a Libertarian project and attempting to reduce the public sector whilst importing masses of 3rd world welfare clients / socialist voters is some of the dumbest you've ever come up with, surely Friedman is laughing his as off in the grave. His middle name wasnt solidarity and tolerance, Nick Clegg's is.

Also, it took like half a second to google Die Linke on canabis. It doesn't set your party apart from the Left. Though it's a marginal political issue anyway, I mean who cares.

szövkap May 22nd, 2019 06:23

how are NEOS importing masses of socialists from 3rd world countries? :howler: and what do they have to do with „tolerance and solidarity“ when they basically want to cut down most social welfare payments and reduce taxes to a minimum? why would Friedman laugh in grave when they basically copy his ideas on economy?

Adenauer and de Gaulle and the likes were also pro EU dudes, heck, they even founded it, they were more welfare state too than NEOS who are a classic liberal party

now what did you google about Linke on cannabis? would be interesting to know lol. let me guess, they surely don‘t want to legalize it or anything else, but rather control it and the business and consumption of it? like big time? hardly a marginal issue. affects millions of people and billions of cash. Hitler and FDR didn‘t find it marginal either, they made a crusade against it and were among the first worldwide to criminalize it back then (only South Africa was before them, because of some dispute with England), for different reasons though, supposedly.

anyway, what‘s a marginal issue in this thread though is classic liberalism, because it‘s doubtful that they stand behind this plot. it‘s either some leftist scheme or from Russia with love or the Mossad, maybe Basti Kurz himself.

I know it‘s hard for you Moririnho to talk about your big government boyfriends from FPÖ going down so badly, but you‘ll get over it.

still wondering who did it

szövkap May 22nd, 2019 06:48

our north american members when they see this thread: „wtf happened down under again? didn‘t they have, like, „presidential“ elections, like, the other day? Felix won? awesome!“

:D

Morierinho May 22nd, 2019 07:59

De Gaulle and Adenauer founded a free trade zone, not the ever expandinc libtard superstate you see today, and they sure as hell wouldn't have flung the doors open and made Europe a global welfare office under misguided notions of tolerance and solidarity.

Whether they wouldve liberalised cannabis or other trademark leftwing issues, who knows, probably not, but it really isnt an important subject anyway, unless you're a pothead.

You could cut benefits in half (which is intolerant and unsolidaric and completely unrealistic) and the mass immigration would still overwhelm the public coffers, not just in terms of payments, but schools, healthcare, infrastructure. Come back and talk about open borders when you've completely privatized all of that, and not a second earlier, as Friedman would say.


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