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All time African all star XI

Your all-time African line-up in here and perhaps the older ones in here can come up with players from the good old 70s or early 80s who most have never heard about but who were so much better than todays players as they always say.

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Trabelsi - Uche - Naybet - ?
Essien - Jay Jay Okocha - Abedi Pele - Kalusha Bwalya
Weah - Hassan


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What a side. Seeing these players make me feel nostalgic.

I must give it a thought. I agree in general, just not really about Trabelsi.

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, just not really about Trabelsi.
you not a fan of his?

you haven't fallen for Eboue have you or do you have someone else in mind?

seriously speaking though, actually expected Trabelsi to make more of an impact in England. Granted he's been playing mostly as RM and it's his first season in the premiership, also coming back from a long injury layoff but you'd expect that he'd be able to stand out at Man City. Currently only Joey Barton's their only player who stands out most of the time.


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you not a fan of his?

you haven't fallen for Eboue have you or do you have someone else in mind?

seriously speaking though, actually expected Trabelsi to make more of an impact in England. Granted he's been playing mostly as RM and it's his first season in the premiership, also coming back from a long injury layoff but you'd expect that he'd be able to stand out at Man City. Currently only Joey Barton's their only player who stands out most of the time.
No, I love Trabelsi. I used to find him one of my favourite Ajax players. Although I think he's been surpassed by Eboué now, he is still very good. I just can't imagine that Africa hasn't had a better rightback over the years. Maybe he's the best, but maybe someone else is.

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No, I love Trabelsi. I used to find him one of my favourite Ajax players. Although I think he's been surpassed by Eboué now, he is still very good. I just can't imagine that Africa hasn't had a better rightback over the years. Maybe he's the best, but maybe someone else is.
I really dislike Trabelsi after the problems he's had at Ajax. At first something could be said for both Ajax and him (Ajax wanting him to stay, he wanted to leave) but i really started disliking him after i read an interview he had with Sportweek/VI/Parool. They asked him why he wasn't doing that good anymore in his last season at Ajax. He wasn't exactly poor but he's able to play much better. He responded something like this:"If Ajax won't let me leave, then i don't feel the need to try harder. And it's not like i'm trying to help the opponent, i just don't want to work harder for this club"
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Not to be biased or anything but you cannot have an all-time African team without Madjer and Belloumi. There's also another player I'm forgetting (from sub-Saharan Africa) but I can't remember who!!!
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I really dislike Trabelsi after the problems he's had at Ajax. At first something could be said for both Ajax and him (Ajax wanting him to stay, he wanted to leave) but i really started disliking him after i read an interview he had with Sportweek/VI/Parool. They asked him why he wasn't doing that good anymore in his last season at Ajax. He wasn't exactly poor but he's able to play much better. He responded something like this:"If Ajax won't let me leave, then i don't feel the need to try harder. And it's not like i'm trying to help the opponent, i just don't want to work harder for this club"
Yeah, that was a dissapointing statement indeed. Not a great player mentality wise. Also, quite ironic that he has ended up at Man City now, while he was linked to the absolute top of Europe a few years ago.

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An all-time team without Belloumi , Larbi Ben Barek and Grobbelaar makes me sick.
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An all-time team without Belloumi , Larbi Ben Barek and Grobbelaar makes me sick.
Belloumi deserves an opportunity indeed.
Never heard of Ben Barek.
Grobbelaar was a cheat.

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BEN BAREK, BELEZA SEM IDADE.
Chegou em silêncio no verão de 1938. Nos primeiros minutos de seu primeiro jogo já ilumina a um público marselhês muito acostumado ao sol e à luz neste quente e caloroso porto do sul da França. Um passe decisivo luminoso ao goleador Kohut e dois gols seus selam um contundente 5-2 do Olympique ante o grande Racing de Paris. Dias antes, numa partida de preparação, havia marcado 8 gols nos ingleses do Southend.

O adolescente Larbi Ben Barek, órfão desde cedo, nascido em Casablanca entre 1912 e 1918, segundo interessava aos clubes e seleções, gravava em seus olhos as proezas de grandes jogadores que se produziam ao sol marroquino nos anos 30, os do Wunderteam de Sindelar, da Hungria de Sarosi e da seleção francesa de Veinante, Nicolas, Heisserer. Ali, em uma partida com uma seleção da África, deslumbrou aos jornalistas franceses que avistaram a uma estrela da bola, e assim chegou Larbi Ben Barek no Olympique de Marselha. Desde seu debut nas ruas de Casablanca, o garoto Larbi luzia essas características dos futuros cracks africanos ou brasileiros, desses artistas da bola e da calle, desses pobres garotos que esqueciam a miséria jogando, buscando beleza e prazer no jogo.

Além de seu físico, sua estatura, sua elegância, seu estilo, Ben Barek era um atacante, um passador e um criador... dos dois pés ou de cabeça, fazia tudo bonito, era natural nele. Depois de um ano esplêndido no Olympique de Marselha, a 2ª guerra mundial estala e regressa ao U.S. Marocaine de Casablanca. Menos partidas, menos eco internacional, mas mais brilho e maturidade. Seis longos anos de guerra e o Stade Français parisiense contrata-o depois de um amistoso em Marrocos onde Larbi havia sido demoníaco ou mago, segundo os critérios jornailísticos admirativos.

Segundo sua incerta data de nascimento, Ben Barek terminou sua carreira entre os 37 e os 43 anos no Olympique de Marselha em 1955. E sua carreira de internacional francês marca um recorde de longevidade: 16 anos entre sua primeira seleção em 1938 e a última de seus 17. França e a história do futebol consideram-no como um dos dez maiores atores do belo futebol clássico, ainda que sua carrera tenha sido truncada pela guerra mundial de 1939-45. Larbi Ben Barek, jogava em uma época sem televisão mas alcançou uma fama universal, comparável à dos maiore, graças a sua magia, elegância e efetividade no Stade Français parisiense de 45 a 48, e graças à força mediática da época: o lirismo sem limites de jornalistas ...

... Em 1948, quando o Stade Français o vende ao Atlético de Madrid por uma soma recorde, um jornalista parisiense escreve: "Vendam o Arco de Triunfo ou a Torre Eiffel, mas não vendam Ben Barek". Outro: "Nunca um futebolista foi mais festejado pelo público como Ben Barek, porque encantava a todos, aos que pensam o futebol e aos que sentem o futebol, porque seu estilo é extraordinariamente espetacular". No Marca espanhol se pôde ler de Larbi: "um fenômeno, sem truque, com prodigiosa classe, com um toque de bola maravilhoso, com uma inteligente e soberba concepção de jogo". No Atlético de Madrid, chegou a ser "A pérola negra" de uma "dianteira de cristal", com o sueco Carlsson, Escudero, Juncosa e Pérez Paya, ganhando dois títulos consecutivos de Campeão da Espanha, em 50 e 51. Lá no Metropolitano e na Liga espanhola marcou 56 gols em 113 partidas e 5 temporadas, todos esses gols trintões, no mínimo.

Sua chegada ao Atlético de Madrid tinha sido todo um acontecimiento com sua dose de polêmica e drama: no verão de 48, não chegou na pré-temporada, sem que ninguém soubera onde estava, se especulava que já era muito velho, pois não se sabia sua idade, que era um blefe, uma operação falida, que a França não lhe deixava sair, que a África tampouco, etc ... Por fim chegou, jogou, convenceu e venceu. O atraso era devido a que enviuvou e que teve que acomodar seus filhos no Marrocos, antes de acomodar-se em Madrid.

A vida de Larbi, desde sua juventude na pobreza e o orfanato até sua morte na pobreza e no esquecimento, sempre foi uma viagem nas ondas da desgraça e da felicidade.

Tal felicidade, encontrava-a, em comunhão com o público de Casablanca, de Marselha, Paris ou Madrid, quando se lançava em dribles inéditos, quando sua elegante avançada perfurava as defesas e quando seus passes eram meio gol. Maravilhou a milhões de olhos de estádios, próprios e alheios, amigos e inimigos. Era naturalmente espetacular, ele gostava do espetáculo e de oferecê-lo e de compartilhá-lo com o público.
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Ace deserve notion as well.

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Pule "Ace" Ntsoelengoe made his mark both in South Africa, for glamour club Kaizer Chiefs, and in the United States, where he was elected to the US Soccer Hall of Fame in 2003.

The star midfielder of many fine Kaizer Chiefs teams of the mid-1970s to mid-1980s was accorded that honour along with seven other players, including Carlos Alberto, the captain of possibly the greatest team in history, Brazil's 1970 World Cup winners.

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Ace Ntsoelengoe is remembered as being the most gifted player on many great Kaizer Chiefs teams, a midfield general that helped his club win not only consistently, but with style.

However, Ntsoelengoe spent most of his prime football-playing days in North America, although he did return during the off-season to play for Chiefs in South Africa.

The midfield maestro played 11 seasons in North America, representing the Miami Torros, Denver Dynamos, Minnesota Kicks and Toronto Blizzards in the North American Soccer League (NASL).

By the time he was done with the NASL, he had certainly left his mark, ranking among the league's all-time leaders in both appearances and goals scored. He was also voted onto the NASL's first-team All Star line-up in 1979 and 1982, and earned honourable mentions in 1977, 1978 and 1980.

An interesting statistic was kept in the NASL in which players were awarded points both for goals scored and for "assists" (setting up goals). Ace ranks seventh on the all-time list, a lasting testament to his all-round performances, showing off not only his individual ability but also his team work.

The NASL season was structured so that, after the regular league season, the top teams would qualify for the playoffs. Ntsoelengoe made the playoffs in nine consecutive seasons, although he never managed to land the NASL title. He reached the final three times, but was on the losing side on all three occasions.

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Ntsoelengoe was an awesome presence in the midfield, and former Bafana Bafana coach Clive Barker - the most successful coach yet of the South African national team - who was coaching Amazulu in 1976, recalls how Ntsoelengoe orchestrated the Usuthus' downfall in a Cup final, leading Kaizer Chiefs to a 3-1 win in the first leg, and then to a 5-2 victory in the second leg.

Barker reckons that during the second match, he actually stood up and applauded a goal by Ace after the midfield star made an adjustment in mid-stride and then bent the ball around the advancing goalkeeper.

Ntsoelengoe, says Barker, was arguably the best player ever produced by South Africa.

How highly does Barker rate Ntsoelengoe? Put it this way: Barker puts him on the same level as the imperious French superstar Zinedine Zidane, who was widely acknowledged as the best player in a Real Madrid team filled with world-class superstars, and the man who helped France win the World Cup in 1998 with a string of sensational performances.

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In an article on the Mogale City website, Nat Serache relates a story about Ntsoelengoe when, in 1976, he played for a South African team selected on merit against an Argentinean select side.

The South Africans crushed their South American opposition five-nil. After the game, Argentinean manager Oscar Martinez was asked whom he rated as South Africa's top players.

He rated Ntsoelengoe as the best. "That boy is a mint", Martinez said. "He is almost a perfect footballer. He can dribble, he can shoot, he can attack, and he can defend.

"I can tell you why Ace stands head and shoulders above all your players", the Argentine manager continued. "He is intelligent; he has got great ability and he is strong and courageous. He plays like he has got a machine inside his body. He knows when to dribble and when to shoot.

"What I like about Ace is that he is good in the air, good on the ground and good everywhere you can think of. I cannot remember seeing the ball taken away from him", Martinez added.

After his playing career was over, Ntsoelengoe was involved with Kaizer Chiefs, making valuable contributions to the club's youth programme. He also assisted South Africa's national under-23 team.

Pule "Ace" Ntsoelengoe died in Johannesburg on 8 May 2006. He was 50 years old.
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"On raisonne aujourd´hui en termes de carrière, palmarès ou argent... La Coupe du monde, bien sûr que j´aurais aimé la jouer, mais ce n´était rien en regard de l´indépendance de mon pays". Mekloufi rappelle ainsi le moment où il décida de se fermer les portes de la Coupe du Monde 58, de St-Étienne et de la France. Les "Fennecs" sont nés. Cette équipe révolutionnaire sera l´embryon de la sélection algérienne que Rachid Mekloufi dirigera plus tard.

Mekloufi, avait quitté St-Étienne, dans la clandestinité, le titre de champion de France en poche. Mais, toujours renié en France, c´est Jean Snella, alors entraîneur du Servette de Genève Suisse qui le rapatrie en Europe, où il joue de 1960 à 1962, devient champion de Suisse, enthousiasmant les supporters du Servette de son jeu allègre. Comme les premiers "fennecs", étaient parmi les meilleurs joueurs de France, après l´indépendance de l´Algérie, en 1962, les clubs demandèrent aux instances du football le retour de leurs exilés. Et avec Jean Snella, Richard repasse une frontière, pour être l´artisan de la remontée des Verts de seconde division en D1 et immétiatement lui offrir son deuxième titre de champion de France - cas unique, l´année même de la remontée - sept ans plus tard.

Le "Onze de l´Indépendance" comme on l´appela disputera 91 matches de 1958 à 1962, 65 victoires, dont un fameux 6-1 contre la Yougoslavie, 13 nuls et 13 défaites. Vingt ans après la naissance officielle des "Fennecs", au mondial d´Espagne de 1982, Mekloufi en est le sélectionneur, et, ce jour là il souffre en ses chairs un scandale trop souvent oublié. Un résultat concerté 1-0, entre l´Allemagne et l´Autriche éliminait l´Algérie de Rachid Mekloufi, cette Algérie des Dalheb, Madjer, Mansouri, Belloumi et Djamel Zidane, qui, quelques jours avant, avait surclassé en jeu et spectacle et avait logiquement battu l´Allemagne de Schumacher, Stielike, Breitner, Magath et autres Rummenigge ou Littbarski.

Les "fennecs" avaient prouvé au monde que leur football, à l´image de celui de Rachid Mekloufi, très technique et créatif, était plus fort que la vaillance ou le physique du football des allemands, finalement contraints à la triche pour passer au tour suivant.

Son premier poste d´entraîneur fut commun à sa fin de carrière, au Sporting Club de Bastia, où il fut entraîneur-joueur entre 1968 et 70. Né à Sétif en 1936, le jeune joueur de l´USM de la même ville terminait ainsi sa carrière de joueur à 34 ans, en Corse au soleil de son beau jeu. Puis après son amère expérience de l´injustice du Mondial 82, il sera un moment le premier dirigeant du football algérien en 1988. Un football algérien et nord-africain, incapables de lutter contre le pillage des Européens, dont sont victimes leurs talentueux viviers, qui font souvent appel à la classe, l´expérience et la sagesse des conseils de Mekloufi, sans jamais le convaincre complètement de prendre les rennes d´un football en perte de vitesse. Pourtant, Rachid occupe aujourd´hui quelques responsabilités au sein de la CAF (Confédération Africaine de Football). Pour longtemps? Sans doute pas. La tâche est trop ardue et les idées créatrices et intelligentes de Mekloufi se heurteront rapidement au réalisme du football dominant des occidentaux et européens, héritage du colonialisme.
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Salif Keita should be in there as well, very succesful and a real genius.
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An all-time team without Belloumi , Larbi Ben Barek and Grobbelaar makes me sick.
To be honest, I don't know Belloumi and Ben Barek.

Grobbelaar isn't better than Songo'o, N'Kono and maybe even Bell.

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