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post #1 of 41 (permalink) Old May 24th, 2019, 23:22 Thread Starter
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Who's your favorite president

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Oh, it’s about an us president. Got fooled by the fred title. Nevermind.

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US Presidents are the most overrated state leaders in history, with Lincoln being the only one remotely deserving his hype. Even tough he's the only president who imposed martial law and would probably also rank among the most divisive US presidents, having your mandate overlapping entirely with a Civil War(a justified one) is inherently a tough job. He grew up poor in rural Kentucky, yet was pivotal in the abolition of slavery, and was all throughout an astute politician. The major quality behind his success I'd say was his flexible mind, “my policy is to have no policy.”

Nonetheless, he is still sugar-coated post factum like crazy, as with most of his peers. Allot of people seem to think that he was an advocate of racial equality.

"I will say then, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters of the negroes, or jurors, or qualifying them to hold office, of having them to marry with white people. I will say in addition, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I suppose, will forever forbid the two races living together upon terms of social and political equality, and inasmuch, as they cannot so live, that while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man." Being against slavery does not equate with supporting racial equality.

I'd say unlike other US prezies, he wasn't necessarily "standing on the shoulders of giants" or benefiting from retrospective American greatness. He was a man of his age, with both good and bad implications for that.
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I guess I'm with Monty Burns' old friend Calvin Coolidge.

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I'd like to give a shout for my man Ulysses S. Grant as well. No one will ever put him anywhere near a top 5 US presidents(1.Lincoln 2.Washington 3.Jefferson 4.F.D. Roosevelt 5.Teddy Roosevelt probably a fair ranking) or even top 10, but he's the most interesting.

Greatest ever US military leader and I'm willing to defend that against Patton or Robert E. Lee fanboys. In a perfect world, Grant would have been an amazing president, but he couldn't blend in with all the venomous scoundrels around him. And before anyone quotes racist historians calling him a heartless mass-murderer, you never hear them say the same about Truman.

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I see your U.S. Grant, and I raise you Stonewall Jackson!
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none of their president seems to have ancestry from Austria-Hungary, so no favourite here
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I see your U.S. Grant, and I raise you Stonewall Jackson!
C'mon, Lee was the best Confederate general!

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C'mon, Lee was the best Confederate general!
So good that without Jackson, Lee's Confederate army was crushed at Gettysburg
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I'd like to give a shout for my man Ulysses S. Grant as well. No one will ever put him anywhere near a top 5 US presidents(1.Lincoln 2.Washington 3.Jefferson 4.F.D. Roosevelt 5.Teddy Roosevelt probably a fair ranking) or even top 10, but he's the most interesting.

Greatest ever US military leader and I'm willing to defend that against Patton or Robert E. Lee fanboys. In a perfect world, Grant would have been an amazing president, but he couldn't blend in with all the venomous scoundrels around him. And before anyone quotes racist historians calling him a heartless mass-murderer, you never hear them say the same about Truman.
You hear others say it, and that tentpole is always moving, these days very fast.

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So good that without Jackson, Lee's Confederate army was crushed at Gettysburg
As if Jackson didn't have poor performances. I'd say that fact that he died just before Lee was bested at Gettysburg has done wonders for his legacy, but I'll stop defending Lee, right, NOW!

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You hear others say it, and that tentpole is always moving, these days very fast.
Fact remains that historical assessments are generally characterized by moral relativism. That doesn't seem to be the case for Grant in particular.

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Trump in a landslide.

Least favourite...Barry.

Id say though, Canada's current PM is even worse than Barry though both were/are incompetent. When you fail grade 7, bomb out of university programs and your only jobs were as a part time supply drama teacher and snowboard instructor, you couldn't be more unfit to lead a country.

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As if Jackson didn't have poor performances. I'd say that fact that he died just before Lee was bested at Gettysburg has done wonders for his legacy, but I'll stop defending Lee, right, NOW!
Defend him all you like. He was an excellent general. I just think Jackson was better in the sense of applying his aggressive tactics to fit the type of warfare that was necessary to compensate for the Confederacy's shortcomings when it came to manpower, training and equipment. Jackson essentially used guerilla tactics, whereas Lee faced the enemy head on. With Jackson under his command at Gettysburg, the high ground would likely have been taken on the first day of battle and the outcome may very well have been different. For better or for worse, historically speaking.
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