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UEFA Euro 2020 - The Golden Generation

Kill me but I'm starting this thread now. There's not much to reflect about the world cup. We came into the World Cup with one of the youngest rosters of the tournament and the most U23 players. This tournament was more about integrating those players into the A-team rather than achieving something big. The U20 WC Golden Generation is coming and it's time to talk about their next qualification and what the best moves are to finally achieve success at the A-team football level, which we have failed to do since the split-up of Yugoslavia.

Let's start off with the players that we are saying goodbye to.


1. The Chelsea legend himself, Branislav Ivanovic. Rock solid defender through many of our campaigns. Choke artist on the big stage. Can't blame him too much here though. He is old and did his best. Always fought for Serbia and our pride. One of the few players along with Kolarov that always left everything on the pitch. In some alternate universe, Bane is the world's best striker and top goalscorer. You will be missed and remembered, Bane.

2. Time to say goodbye to the self-proclaimed, "world's best goalkeeper," Vladimir Stojkovic. For all the hate he gets and how limited he is, that Penalty save against Germany will be remembered till the end of time. He's saved shots from stars like C. Ronaldo and Neymar in his time for Serbia. He saved our a$$es many times. I have nothing but respect for him. Saying all this, there was two major things wrong with Stojkovic,
A: His nervousness disrupted the rest of our team. You want your most confident player to be your goalkeeper. Watching Stojkovic pre-games makes me nervous so I can only imagine what effect it has on the rest of the team.
B: It ties into part A but he's just a very unsure keeper and lacks confidence to commit to his initial move. After seeing the replay on Brazil's first goal, it was comical. Stojkovic came out and then decided last second to abort and went for it again only to get chipped over his head. That's something you'd expect from an 18 year old keeper, not 34. He has the same issues with set pieces and crosses. It's something he never learned. Otherwise, he could have been a top keeper. He shot stopping and 1 on 1 situations are world class. I don't care what anyone says, if we had gone to the knockout stage, I would have been confident playing for penalties with him in goal. It wasn't meant to be.
It's time to move on Stojke, thank you for all you have done.

3. Antonio Rukavina, goodbye my friend. I can't believe you've been able to make the roster year after year despite being an inferior player, but you always played with your heart and somehow always outperformed the person who was ahead of you. Hopefully, this is the last time we see you

4. Dusko Tosic, it's time for you to go back to your Karleusa and off to China you go. Your passion and Vidic-lite diving headers in defense will be missed but your 1 massive mistake per game will not. Enjoy your summer and retirement from the NT.


Say it ain't so. Please, say it ain't so. We are not ready for you to leave, dear Kolarov
Age is catching up to our dear LB. While he arguably had his best year in club football, it seems like he is preparing for retirement. Personally, I think he has one more tournament in him. Depending on the formation we play with going forward, we might still be able to use him for one more EURO qualifier. Let's wait and see what he decides to do. At the moment, we have no direct replacement for him and it might be our biggest hole along with the RB position and obviously head coach.


Speaking of head coach, good riddance to you Mladen Krstajic. Your poor tactics, horrendous lineups, and substitutions will definitely not be missed.


I want to mention one other player that I think might retire from the NT. The Red Devil's very own, Nemanja Matic. As the most established player in our WC squad, he will most likely take most of the blame apart from Krstajic. Rightfully so, he had a bad tournament. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a Vidic and retires early from the NT. Of all our players, he lives the most expensive lifestyle and it seems like he will need to play for one more contract. So, his goals are more club oriented. I wouldn't be so sad to see him go, to be honest. His passing in midfield ruins the flow to our game. If that is going to be his decision, so long bud. We have replacements.

Apart from maybe Kolarov and Matic, everyone else is certainly gone from the NT.


So, now we move forward. What's interesting is that pretty much all the players that will be retiring are defensive players. The positive: we are already seeing some young guys stepping it up. First guy that springs to mind is Nikola Milenkovic. Barring any injuries, this kid can go on to become the best CB in the world. IMO, he is already nearing world class territory and if he earns himself a transfer to A. Madrid, I have no doubt he will achieve it soon. Veljkovic looked very comfortable in defense, but a healthy Nastasic will most likely be the first choice pairing next to Milenkovic. Our golden generation of CB's is coming from the 99-2002 generations. Some immensly talented central defenders coming through the ranks. We already see Markovic at Partizan following in the footsteps of Milenkovic and Nastasic while Zvezda has Erakovic is following his own path.

B let's begin with the most importance piece to any football team,

Head Coach:

With Krstajic inevitably leaving after failing to leave the group and using some suspect lineups/tactics, we need to talk about who will replace him. I think it's pretty obvious who everyone wants and that is none other than Veljko Paunovic, our head coach that took Serbia to glory by beating Brazil at the U20 WC in New Zealand. He's coaching for Chicago right now, but you'd have to think he wouldn't miss out on coaching his very own golden generation. I can see why he didn't take the job after Muslin was fired. It was a difficult position as you only had a few months of preparation and there is a mix of 3 different generations from 20-23, 24-28, 29-34. That's very hard to do integrate a uniform system with an inconsistent roster. I think he was waiting for after the WC. We shall see.
Apart from the obvious Paunovic. Drulovic won U19 Euros with Rajkovic, Veljkovic, SMS, Maksimovic, Gacinovic, and Mitrovic. He knows this team just as well as Paunovic.

Less likely coaches are Jokanovic who is finally establishing his career in the EPL. He might be a future coach down the road but he's probably concentrated on his club career at the moment.

Piksi is a great option in my personal opinion as many people like Wenger highly rate him. Though, he stated he signed a contract a contract in China (4 years?) and is going to see it out.

Another coach I highly rate is Vladan Milojevic. What he did at Zvezda is just unbelievable. How he organized that team, how he got them playing collectively with motivation and proper fitness, and developed some of our younger players like Ilic, Joveljic, Radonjic, and Adzic. I really love him. He's a genius and has a bright future ahead of him. He motivates his players properly he's just a brilliant tactician. Miles ahead of someone Krstajic. It does seem like he's committed to Zvezda which is fine.

Apart from these main guys I do see one other guy sneaking in and taking the job...Zeljko Buvac. Jurgen Klopp gave him the nickname, "the brain", because he's responsible for all the brilliant plays that led Liverpool to the CL final before finally having an indifference with Jurgen. It's been 20 years of coaching football and he's never taken a head coaching position. What perfect way than to do it with Serbia. If he can get us playing like today's Liverpool or Borussia Dortmund when he was there with Klopp, we'd be in great hands for many years. A tactician of his level would really progress this team.

My preferences:
1. Paunovic
2. Drulovic
3. Buvac
4. Jokanovic
5. Milojevic
6. Piksi

First two for obvious reasons of familiarity with the players from our golden generation. Chemistry is the most important.

Anyone outside of these 6 guys is most likely a disappointment. Anyone that's not a Serbian and familiar with our young guys should not be welcome. It's a recipe for disaster knowing our menality and makeup of a young team.



Now that we have the head coaching position taken care of, let's move on to the,

Players:

One thing I'm glad FSS and Krstajic did was integrate the young guys into this WC squad and give them some experience. These kids did brilliantly well. We are really underrating how well they performed at their age. Our CB's against Brazil are 20 and 22 years old. That's unheard of for a European side. Usually there's always at least 1 experienced CB. Krstajic made the job easy for the next coach in terms of integrating youth which is usually very difficult for coaches as there's a lot fo risk involved. Krstajic is a man that gives zero f*cks and took that chance. All of Serbia will shame his name for the next month but hopefully one day we will be able to praise him after successful tournaments in the near future.

Here is my pool of players that I would experiment with in the upcoming friendlies before the next qualifying campaign:


Tier 1 (Absolute Must)

Kolarov (C) ***
Matic (VC) ***
Tadic
Ljajic
Kostic
Dmitrovic
Milivojevic
Mitrovic
SMS
Zivkovic
Veljkovic
Rajkovic
Radonjic
Milenkovic
Jovic
Gacinovic
S. Lukic
Maksimovic
Bogosavac
Gajic
Nastasic
M. Svilar
N. Maras

***: If they don't retire


Tier 2 (Should be considered)

Fejsa
Pantic
B. Planic
Antonov
A. Filipovic
D. Ristic
Grujic
Radoja
Racic
Rodic
Nikola Maksimovic
Prijovic
Spajic
M. Jojic
VMS
Zdjelar
L. Markovic
Gudelj
Ristic
Pesic
V. Janjicic
Subotic

Tier 3 (Youth experiments)

Adzic
Djerlek
Markovic
L. Ilic
Joveljic
Babic
Saponjic
V. Jovanovic
Stefan Radmanovac
J. Vlalukin


My 25 player short-list:


GK:
Dmitrovic
Rajkovic
Svilar

CB:
Milenkovic
Nastasic
Veljkovic
N. Maras
B. Planic

LB:
Kolarov*
Bogosavac


RB:
Gajic
Milenkovic/Gacinovic/Zivkovic?


DM:
Milivojevic
Matic*
Radoja

CM/CAM:
SMS
Ljajic
S. Lukic
Gacinovic
N. Maksimovic

RW:
Tadic
Zivkovic

LW:
Kostic/Ljajic
Radonjic

Gacinovic

F:
Mitrovic
Jovic
Prijovic


This is assuming guys like Matic, Kolarov and Tadic don't retire. Though, anything is possible. Matic just came out and said he's not sure he will ever play again. Not a surprise. To be honest, his archaic style of football is not wanted. Maybe if he was a pure DM and just stuck to short passes, sure. Milivojevic does that role just as well. We need more mobile and fast acting midfielders like S. Lukic, Gacinovic, Nemanja Maksimovic and even Ljajic or Zivkovic can play there.

The players I highlighted above are potential starters. Depends on the coach and the formation we use (3-4-3?). Also, how the season progresses but league of nations begins in September. I'm not quite sure yet how the formatting works so someone else can provide that info but the Euro qualifiers draw is at the end of the year and the qualifiers actually begin March of next year. So, there's plenty of time to see who will prove themselves with their club football showings.
It's a new generation. A time for these youngsters to step up and take our football to the next level. One proper ref away from a knockout phase finish is very successful considering all the circumstances.

Overall, I am excited for the upcoming qualifiers. I feel like these guys will have a certain level of confidence after U19 champs, U20 champs, and now WC experience in Russia. We also have a very good chance to make the U21 final tournament and then the Olympics. It's looking up for Serbia. It's a lot different this time than before. We finally have collective talent. We are just missing the 3 things I mentioned before: Quality Coach, RB security and LB security.
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Might have missed some players did it from the top of my head.
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Close this thread and let a cromo open it for us as it brought us good luck the last round
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Close this thread and let a cromo open it for us as it brought us good luck the last round
True, maybe Ante or Ero will do it
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It’s League of Nations first anyway. Euro qualifying doesn’t start until the new year.

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And calling a generation ‘golden’ without achieving anything in senior football is farcical.

Let them achieve something and then we can talk.

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And calling a generation ‘golden’ without achieving anything in senior football is farcical.

Let them achieve something and then we can talk.
They're called the "golden" generation because they won the U19 Euro & U20 WC. Not because they have achieved something on the A-team level. I thought you understood football?
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Using the term golden generation is a guarantee of underachieving ftr.
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Too soon.

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Yeah, the League of Nations has *nothing* to do with Euro quals...

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I do not think this team deserve to be hanged in the media. I think we did as excepted. We were a wrong referee-decision from round of 16 where I think we would have a good chance against Sweden.

We looked compact in defence (when we didn't chase a result with an unbalanced team) and played quite good in attack at times. I really think there is something to build on here. With the same approach in the Nations League we will win our group. What I like about Krstajic is that he called something close to our best team which is rarity among our coaches.

My pool of 30 players for the upcoming gathering i September:

GK (3): Rajkovic, Dmitrovic, Stojkovic
DF (11): Rukavina*, Basta*, Gajic, Ivanovic*, Milenkovic, Pejcinovic, Veljkovic, Nastasic, Kolarov, Rodic, Obradovic
CM (6): Matic, Milivojevic, Fejsa, Maksimovic, Grujic, Lukic
AM (7): Tadic, Zivkovic, Sergej, Gacinovic, Ljajic, Kostic, Radjonjic
ST (3): Mitrovic, Jovic, Prijovic

*= players that might retire and perhaps not be availible.
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Too soon.
League of Nations starts in Septemeber. It's a few months away. I don't think it's too soon to start talking about HC's, roster and tactics. Then again Serbs are infamous for doing things last minute like selecting a head coach. Wouldn't be surprised if we kept Krstajic temporarily until the end of the year to see how he does in LON's. Would be the biggest disappointment but knowing these cheap a$$es in our FA, nothing would surprise me. I hope Paunovic steps up but I don't know what his contract is with Chicago and when their season leaves. Things like this can lead to our downfall.
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Yeah, the League of Nations has *nothing* to do with Euro quals...

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You're taking DZ's thread start too seriously. There's no such thing as a golden generation.

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You're taking DZ's thread start too seriously. There's no such thing as a golden generation.
"In sport, a golden generation or golden team is an exceptionally gifted group of players of similar age, whose achievements reach or are expected to reach a level of success beyond that which their team had previously achieved

t was first coined by the Portuguese sports media to refer to a group of exceptionally gifted teenage Portuguese footballers. This group of players, spearheaded by "Golden Boy" Luís Figo, won two Football World Youth Championships in 1989 and 1991.[3] This group were close to retirement in the early part of the 21st century, leading the European sports media to spotlight the Golden Generation's chances of winning a senior trophy at tournaments such as UEFA Euro 2000, the 2002 FIFA World Cup, Euro 2004 (which Portugal hosted) and the 2006 World Cup.

Since then, it has been used by media in many different countries, with usage spreading to other areas, for example, in rugby."


Media in the US and UK are calling it a golden generation for us as well.

I don't know what else you would call it when a team wins U19 Euro and U20 WC and is now together on the A-team. I would call it a golden generation like everyone else.



It's important to note that we will have some issues with which players get called up as we are playing U21 qualifiers at the same time. I'd assume they'd prioritize the A-team but this U21 qualifier determines who goes to the Olympics. There's going to be a lot of team chemistry issues in the next few years which is why I say don't expect much from the 2020 Euro qualifiers. We will have a proper team for the next WC qualifiers and it will probably be 90% certain
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Imagine if we could act with continuity for once. We have the core of the team from this World Cup and should continue with a similiar team. The U19 och U20-champions are now between 21-24 years old. They will be gathered over the upcoming 4 or 5 cycles for major tournaments.

Now imagine if we could have the same coach over this long period. We must be very careful with the coach selection and should be satisfied only with the best possible solution. We can not experiment with this generation! The problem with Krstajic is that he is too inexperienced for such mission.

This are my preferences:

1. Antic - our best coach but is too old for a long term contract and has a bad relation with FSS which makes him as an impossible solution.
2. Paunovic - the "father" of our young perspective generation. I think his contract with Chicago is expiring and he has good connections with FSS which makes him as the ideal solution for a long term contract.
3. Jokanovic - probably our best manager atm. Very successful career so far but probably unrealistic as the NT-coach.
4. Milojevic - has done something I didn't think was possible with a Serbian team which makes you wonder what he can do with the Serbian NT. I don't know if he is a realistic option.
5. Buvac - has a big part in Klopps success over the last decade which makes him more than interesting. Probably not interested in leaving his current job to manage Serbia?
6. Stojkovic - the greatest legend of Serbian football and can be the right man because of authority and football brain. I think he is a realistic option.

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I would like to see us play someone more comfortable in possession next to Matic instead of another destroyer. Milivojevic is a solid squad option but him and Matic together is too negative in most circumstances. With the emergence of Milenkovic, together with Nastasic and Veljkovic, we look set at CB and I don't think there will be a big need to overprotect them. When we win the ball back, it's critical that we have a guy who can absorb the pressure, move the ball forward and initiate our attacks.

I think people were way too harsh on SMS in the Brazil game. He was not good against the Swiss but he had a solid match playing Brazil. We were practically equal in possession and shots against the best national team in the world until that second goal. There's no way we do that with Milivojevic there instead of SMS. Forget about the hype and price tag and keep in my mind that he had to play safer as a deep lying CM. Matic too was excellent (watch his compilation for the Brazil match on Youtube).

Let's hope Lukic and Maksimovic progress because they look like the best options there. Lukic, for example, could be a perfect compliment next to Matic and Sergej.
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I think a lot of you are underrating Bogosavac. I think he's going to be a brilliant LB. He's a standard for the U21 team who is going to have a nice career. Maybe not as exciting of a player as Kolarov but he still offers a lot going forward and projects to be a much better defender than Kolarov. He's quicker and more disciplined. Knows when to make his runs. His crosses are weak but his short passes are great. Links well with central midfielders. It's the type of football I want to play now that we don't have dynamic full backs after Ivanovic and Kolarov retire. Play through the middle and have the central/attacking midfielders overlap with the wingers. Anyhow, he's a great prospect. I think he should go to Torino where has been touted to play after Partizan and he will do nicely with Ljajic and S. Lukic there.


Gajic is the bigger question mark. On the left, we have a few more prospects that could develop there. On the right, it's pretty much Gajic, Vlalukin, and then 2001 generation wunderkind, Radmanovac. Maybe someone else will step up but for now these are the main prospects. I think Gajic is solid. If Paunovic or Drulovic become HC's, they would def know how to use him. I'm not too worried to be honest. We will see more of him with the U21 team where he's done a solid job. Him and Bogosavac have both been good.
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Serbia would be lucky to have me as head coach and Zoric as my assistant.

We'd dominate the world.



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