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So, with Montfoort being the last team qualified, these teams will fight for the overall amateur championship and the spot to promote to professional football.

Saturday
ARC (Alphen aan den Rijn)
Barendrecht
Capelle
Excelsior'31 (Rijssen)
FC Lisse
SC Genemuiden
GVVV (Veenendaal)
Harkemase Boys
HHC (Hardenberg)
IJsselmeervogels (Spakenburg)
Katwijk
Montfoort
Noordwijk
Rijnsburgse Boys
Spakenburg
SVZW (Wierden)

Sunday
Achilles'29 (Groesbeek)
AFC (Amsterdam)
Argon (Mijdrecht)
De Treffers (Groesbeek)
EVV (Echt)
FC Hilversum
FC Lienden
Haaglandia (Rijswijk)
HBS (Den Haag)
Hollandia (Hoorn)
HSC'21 (Haaksbergen)
JVC Cuijk
Quick'20 (Oldenzaal)
UNA (Veldhoven)
VVSB (Noordwijkerhout)
WKE (Emmen)
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So, with Montfoort being the last team qualified, these teams will fight for the overall amateur championship and the spot to promote to professional football.
...unless you are IJsselmeervogels.
Would be really interested to see how they performed in the Jupiler League, but I suppose they are happiest being a big fish in a smaller pool.
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Between now and a few years teams won't have the choice anymore, if you win, you have to go up.

Before that's reality, KNVB has to change some vital rules though, otherwise it's totally useless. The rules to play professional football are not realizable for the amateurs who're currently in that position. For example, think about at least sixteen full-professional players, a stand with at least 1600 seats and more of that kind of nonsense.
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Yeah, just give Eerste divisie sides the choice if they want full-time players or not. Most of them are going bust anyway lol.

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We really can’t tip anyone else for the title can we? This looks like Ijsselmeervogels’s to lose – local rivals Spakenburg kept pace for much of last season and look best equipped to challenge this season too. One their day Rijnsburgse Boys, Barendrecht and Capelle are capable of beating anyone, but perhaps are not consistent enough to keep up the pace at the top. GVVV and Noordwijk look like comfortable mid table sides but SVZW and play off winners Montfoort might be set for a quick return to the Hoofdklasse unless they can overhaul, SV ARC, Genemuiden or Harkemase Boys

26 Ijsselmeervogels Spackenburg 792.8
33 SV Spakenburg 771.8
41 Rijnsburgse Boys 755.8
44 BVV Barendrecht 749.2
45 Capelle 748.8
46 GVVV Veenendaal (P) 746.5
48 Noordwijk (P) 743.8
54 fc Lisse 737.9
55 Katwijk 737.3
58 Excelsior '31 Rijssen 733.4
59 HHC Hardenberg 732.1
63 Harkemase Boys Harkema 728.7
64 SC Genemuiden 724.2
66 SVZW Wierden (P) 722.9
81 SV ARC Alphen aan de Rijn 710.0
88 Montfoort (P) 707.6

ZON TOPKLASSE
With the probable Saturday champions not interested in promotion to the Jupiler League most of the interest might be focused on the Zondag Topklasse this season, especially with no relegated professional team this season.
The Groesbeek twins Achilles’29 and De Treffers should be close to the top (although De Treffers’ form suffered really badly at the end of 2010/11). AFC and the promoted sides HSC’21 and WKE could challenge too, but might have to beat solid Topklasse sides Argon and Quick’20.
Looking at the bottom half, playoff losers Hilversum (spared relegation by RBC’s demise) will stuggle again, along with VVSB, and we suspect that promoted HBS will need to put some points on the board early if they are to survive in the higher league.
Hoorn, JVC’31 and EVV all look as if they will have just too much to get dragged into a relegation fight, but they will be looking over their shoulders if their form suffers.

31 Achilles '29 Groesbeek 778.9
42 De Treffers Groesbeek 753.9
43 AFC Amsterdam 750.5
47 HSC 21 Haaksbergen (P) 745.2
49 Quick '20 Oldenzaal 742.8
50 Argon Mijdrecht 741.9
51 WKE Emmen (P) 740.1
53 Haaglandia Winston Rijswijk 738.2
57 fc Lienden 735.7
61 UNA Veldhoven (P) 731.4
62 EVV Echt 729.3
65 JVC 31 Cuijk 722.9
69 HVV Hollandia Hoorn 717.9
70 fc Hilversum 717.6
75 HBS Craeyenhout Den Haag (P) 713.5
86 VVSB Noordwijkerhout 707.8
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So, a roundup after three rounds being played.

Saturday
Genemuiden are the only team still having a 100% record after three games. Giants Spakenburg (away to GVVV) and Vogels (at home to HHC) lost already once while Rijnsburg are still unbeaten but they've drawn once.
The best newcomer is GVVV with two wins and a draw. They're a giant as well and just missed the first Topklasse season by mistake so I guess they'll stay up easily and perhaps even more.
As for SVZW and Montfoort it will be a different story, Montfoort promoted by accident in the playoffs while SVZW just had a brilliant season but are no classic top club in amateur football. So far they didn't start bad with 2 and 1 point(s).
Most disappointing start got Harkema imo.

Standings
1. Genemuiden 3 - 9
- - - - - - - - - -
2. GVVV 3 - 7
3. Rijnsburgse Boys 3 - 7
4. Excelsior'31 3 - 6
5. IJsselmeervogels 3 - 6
6. Spakenburg 3 - 6
7. Capelle 3 - 4
8. Noordwijk 3 - 4
9. HHC Hardenberg 3 - 4
10. Katwijk 3 - 2
11. Montfoort 3 - 2
12. Barendrecht 3 - 1
- - - - - - - - - -
13. SVZW 3 - 1
- - - - - - - - - -
14. ARC 3 - 1
15. Harkemase Boys 3 - 1
16. FC Lisse 3 - 1

Sunday
Big revelation so far in the Sunday group are newcomers HSC'21 from Haaksbergen. Last season they won the Hoofdklasse C title and they won the first two games of this season with 6-0 (to HBS and Hilversum). That's impressive, although HBS and Hilversum aren't the best opponents, still as a newcomer that's very well done.
That made me go to Groesbeek yesterday to see the match between De Treffers and HSC'21, it was a lovely match with two attacking sides and a 3-3 in the end, HSC'21 equalised in injury time somewhat unfair, but overall they maybe did deserve that point.
De Treffers missed their start by a homeloss to Hollandia but got back on track in Oldenzaal where they did beat Quick'20. After yesterdays draw they're just at position eight in the table.
There's not a single team anymore with a 100% score, together with HSC Achilles, JVC and Hollandia are on top.
A remarkable result we saw yesterday as well, HBS who lost their first game to HSC 6-0, did beat Argon yesterday with a score of 9-1! Don't know what happened there but as Argon are actually the better side at least HBS got revenge for their loss to HSC.

Standings
1. HSC'21 3 - 7
2. Achulles'29 3 - 7
3. JVC Cuijk 3 - 7
4. Hollandia 3 - 7
5. FC Lienden 3 - 6
6. Haaglandia 3 - 6
7. WKE 3 - 6
8. De Treffers 3 - 4
9. Argon 3 - 4
10. HBS 3 - 3
11. VVSB 3 - 3
12. AFC 3 - 1
13. EVV 3 - 1
14. UNA 3 - 1
15. Quick'20 3 - 0
16. FC Hilversum 3 -0
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As there was no professional football anyway...

Saturday
Capelle - Noordwijk 0-0 (800)
Excelsior'31 - Barendrecht 0-0 (800)
GVVV - Harkemase Boys 4-2 (1000)
HHC Hardenberg - SVZW 2-0 (1100)
Katwijk - FC Lisse 3-0 (1425)
Montfoort - IJsselmeervogels 1-2 (1729)
Genemuiden - Rijnsburgse Boys 1-1 (850)
Spakenburg - ARC 6-2 (2100)

Barendrecht are in trouble as they fielded an ineligible player, they now can get a point deduction and they can be excluded from the national cup.
This weekend Genemuiden lost their first points at home to Rijnsburg while the Spakenburg teams made no mistakes. That means Genemuiden and surprising newcomers GVVV are leading the table. At the bottom for teams with one point, especially Harkema are surprising to have such a bad start. Seems like they didn't find good replacements for Barto (to Cambuur) and Krohne (to AGOVV).

Standings
1. GVVV 4-10
2. SC Genemuiden 4-10
3. Spakenburg 4-9
4. IJsselmeervogels 4-9
5. Rijnsburgse Boys 4-8
6. Excelsior'31 4-7
7. HHC Hardenberg 4-7
8. Katwijk 3-5
9. Capelle 4-5
10. Noordwijk 4-5
11. Barendrecht 3-2
12. Montfoort 4-2
- - - - - - - - - -
13. SVZW 4-1
- - - - - - - - - -
14. Harkemase Boys 4-1
15. ARC 4-1
16. FC Lisse 4-1

Sunday
Quick'20 - AFC 1-3 (450)
Hollandia - FC Lienden 4-1 (450)
WKE - De Treffers 1-0 (800)
Argon - FC Hilversum 0-0 (600)
Haaglandia - VVSB 3-1 (600)
Achilles'29 - HBS 4-1 (600)
HSC'21 - EVV 1-0 (800)
UNA - JVC Cuijk 2-2 (600)

My local team JVC got robbed again, with 1-2 in advance and in the 7th minute of 5 minutes extra time they got a penalty against. The ref saw a handball of a defender, while it was an UNA attacker making the handball. Even UNA admitted that after the game. Bad luck for them.
Another local team for me, Achilles'29 were surprised by the weakness of HBS. Achilles had over 20 shots on target! That while HBS had beaten Argon 9-1 a few days before, still no one knows what happened there.
Meanwhile newcomers HSC'21 continue winning the points while De Treffers missed their start once again, unbelievable. Their match versus WKE was played at FC Emmen's stadium because they face problems with installing a new artificial pitch at their own ground.
Quick are the only Topklasser who're still pointless.

Standings
1. HSC'21 4-10
2. Achilles'29 4-10
3. Hollandia 4-10
4. Haaglandia 4-9
5. WKE 4-9
6. JVC Cuijk 4-8
7. FC Lienden 3-6
8. Argon 4-5
9. AFC 3-4
10. De Treffers 4-4
11. HBS 4-3
12. VVSB 4-3
- - - - - - - - - -
13. UNA 4-2
- - - - - - - - - -
14. EVV 4-1
15. FC Hilversum 4-1
16. Quick'20 4-0
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Barendrecht fined 10 points (and 950 euros), they're now on -9 points, ten points adrifted.
Relegated surely?

They will appeal against the decision, quite right too, seems very harsh.
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Barendrecht fined 10 points (and 950 euros), they're now on -9 points, ten points adrifted.
Relegated surely?

They will appeal against the decision, quite right too, seems very harsh.
To me it seems a very harsh decision too for an administrative mistake. Hopefully they're lucky with their appeal.

Meanwhile they're 'just' seven points behind ARC, Lisse and SVZW and with still 25 matches to go for them I think there's still all to play for for them.
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To me it seems a very harsh decision too for an administrative mistake. Hopefully they're lucky with their appeal.

Meanwhile they're 'just' seven points behind ARC, Lisse and SVZW and with still 25 matches to go for them I think there's still all to play for for them.
-9 points? Thats terrible and this was for fielding an illegible player? I would have thought maybe only 3 points maximum.

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On Barendrecht, it was -10 and that still stands, very harsh as they're punished three times for one mistake, even though KNVB made a mistake too by accepting it in the first place.
Barendrecht beside a -10 in the league, they got fined and were thrown out of the cup. Because they were thrown out of the cup they missed a home match versus RKC which is of course good money for an amateur club.

Anyway, something remarkable happened last week. Spakenburg revelation v.d. Meiracker saw his second yellow card in the 81st minute during the match versus Rijnsburg. At that moment the score was 0-1 for Spakenburg, but the referee forgot to show him the red card so to send him off.
The Dutch FA now announced the last nine minutes and injury time have to be played again, nothing more is known yet. Of course Spakenburg disagrees.


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So especially for Teak, a roundup

Saturday
Genemuiden - HHC Hardenberg 1-1 (1250)
GVVV - SVZW 4-1 (800)
Katwijk - IJsselmeervogels 1-2 (2200)
Barendrecht - FC Lisse 1-2 (750)
Capelle - Montfoort 2-1 (800)
Excelsior'31 - Rijnsburgse Boys 0-5 (750)
Harkemase Boys - ARC 2-3 (1000)
Spakenburg - Noordwijk 2-3 (2000)

1. GVVV 8 - 18
2. HHC Hardenberg 8 - 17
3. IJsselmeervogels 8 - 16
4. Spakenburg 7 - 15
5. Rijnsburgse Boys 7 - 15
6. SC Genemuiden 7 - 15
7. Noordwijk 8 - 14
8. Katwijk 7 - 12
9. Capelle 8 - 12
10. Excelsior'31 8 - 10
11. Harkemase Boys 8 - 5
12. FC Lisse 8 - 5
- - - - - - - - - -
13. ARC 8 - 4
- - - - - - - - - -
14. SVZW 8 - 4
15. Montfoort 8 - 3
16. Barendrecht 8 - -3

Of course GVVV's lead is surprising and very impressive. Being a Hoofdklasse club last season they're performing very well, interesting to see for how long they can keep it up.
Personally I expect the title race to be in the end between Vogels, Spakenburg and Rijnsburg, but who knows GVVV, Genemuiden or HHC can surprise, that would be nice.
At the bottom there's a clear gap between Excelsior'31 and Harkema. Barendrecht probably will play themself safe and I didn't expect Harkema there, although they lost their best two players last season. Montfoort went up 'by accident' and probably will go down again but they just have to enjoy this season.

Sunday
WKE - Hollandia 0-0 (800)
UNA - EVV 1-1 (600)
HSC'21 - Quick'20 3-2 (1300)
FC Hilversum - JVC Cuijk 1-1 (300)
Argon - FC Lienden 1-1
VVSB - HBS 3-1 (600)
Haaglandia - De Treffers 2-1
Achilles'29 - AFC 2-1 (550)

1. Achilles'29 8 - 22
2. HSC'21 8 - 19
3. Haaglandia 8 - 16
4. JVC Cuijk 8 - 16
5. Hollandia 8 - 15
6. FC Lienden 7 - 11
7. EVV 8 - 11
8. AFC 7 - 10
9. WKE 8 - 10
10. De Treffers 8 - 8
11. FC Hilversum 8 - 8
12. UNA 8 - 7
- - - - - - - - - -
13. HBS 8 - 6
- - - - - - - - - -
14. VVSB 8 - 6
15. Argon 8 - 6
16. Quick'20 8 - 3

In my opinion Achilles'29 is way too strong for this league. They showed that last season already when they were the only team who could keep up with FC Oss, who still were supported financially by KNVB. This season they won the Supercup versus IJsselmeervogels at Vogels ground, they eliminated Telstar in the cup and won 8 out of 7 league matches so far. It almost couldn't be better.
HSC'21 are the GVVV of the Sunday group, being new they are doing really well, but I don't expect them to keep up with Achilles untill the end.
Very surprising are the bad results of De Treffers who wanted to win the title. They got several former professional players (Hofstede, Jans, Pothuizen) and their Mexican striker of course. Despite that it just won't get going.
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This season they won the Supercup versus IJsselmeervogels at Vogels ground, they eliminated Telstar in the cup and won 8 out of 7 league matches so far

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Anyway, something remarkable happened last week. Spakenburg revelation v.d. Meiracker saw his second yellow card in the 81st minute during the match versus Rijnsburg. At that moment the score was 0-1 for Spakenburg, but the referee forgot to show him the red card so to send him off.
The Dutch FA now announced the last nine minutes and injury time have to be played again, nothing more is known yet. Of course Spakenburg disagrees.
Ha! Let me get this correct. Are you saying that both teams must play again for 9 mins?? If so then that is just laughable. What about expenses etc for which effectively is a 9 minute game. Absolute joke, would they not be better to award the points to Spakenburg and just maybe play an extra 9 minutes when the 2 teams meet again? As you say more details will follow and i'll be anxious to see the outcome of this one

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Ha! Let me get this correct. Are you saying that both teams must play again for 9 mins??
Yeah it's really strange and everyone is surprised, but KNVB ruled out immediately the option to appeal against the decision, probably because they knew it would come for sure otherwise.

It still stands, wonder as well what will happen but as for now these 9 mins have to be played again.
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That would be great, wouldn't it?
It would mean they'd probably win 31 of their 26 games all season.
That's championship form for sure!
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Tomorrow the first Spakenburg derby of the season is on the schedule! It's at the red side.

Another interesting one is HHC versus GVVV, the number 2 hosts the leader.
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I'm trying to get to 2 games on Sunday 30th October, do all games kick off at the same time? If so then maybe i can find a game or games in the Hoofdklassse also that kick off earlier or later. Any suggestions?

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