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Jupiler League 2009/2010 - Veendam follows Haarlem on the road to nowhere

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Aan het eind van het seizoen 2009-2010 zullen twee clubs uit de Jupiler League naar de Topklasse degraderen. Bert van Oostveen (foto), directeur bedrijfsvoering van de KNVB, maakte dit woensdag bekend in combinatie met de mededeling dat het competitieschema mèt Fortuna Sittard gereed is.
That's clear...

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Vier periodes
,,De Jupiler League kent vanaf komend seizoen vier periodes met elk negen wedstrijden. We hebben ervoor gekozen om vanaf nu met vier periodes te werken om een kwaliteitsslag te maken en het gat met de Eredivisie te verkleinen", aldus van Oostveen. ,,Daarnaast zullen aan het einde van het seizoen twee clubs degraderen naar de Topklassen."
This is clear too...

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Het definitieve programma zal eind deze week op de website van de KNVB gepubliceerd worden.
Same...

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De nationale voetbalbond maakte bekend dat de opzet van de play-offs om degradatie en promotie uit en naar de Eredivisie komend seizoen zal veranderen. Komend seizoen wordt er gespeeld volgens het 'Europa Cup-systeem', zo meldt AD/Sportwereld. Dat betekent dat er slechts twee ronden zijn, waarbij het onderlinge doelsaldo doorslaggevend is. Afgelopen seizoen was er sprake van een best of three, op basis van gewonnen wedstrijden.
Aio...

Probably first round on August 7th:
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Fortuna Sittard-Helmond Sport
FC Eindhoven-MVV
AGOVV-FC Zwolle
FC Emmen-RBC Roosendaal
Haarlem- BV Veendam
FC Volendam-FC Den Bosch
SC Cambuur-Leeuwarden-De Graafschap
Excelsior-Telstar
Go Ahead Eagles-FC Omniworld
FC Oss-FC Dordrecht.
Cambuur - De Graafschap

Main title favourites face eachother immediately on the first day!

Anyway, predictions?

Opinion about the changes?
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First post here, hello everyone.
I thought the fixtures weren't released until Friday - you must have some "contacts"!

I see the KNVB will still try to hound Fortuna out of the league by setting up another commission. With the two teams being relegated at the end of this season you'd have to say Fortuna and Eindhoven look favourites to drop - both of them appealing to fans for money to keep them going.
Omniworld need to make sure they don't repeat last seasons woeful performances or they'll be back in the amateur ranks sooner than expected.
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Firstly cool to see a new face on here also one from abroad following the Jupiler League what's your favourite team ?
btw how did you find the site? google (which would be good news for xtratime)?

As for the topic, big question whether the amateur teams would want to get promoted.
For example the Rijnsburgse Boys would lose their money spinners (local derbies)

As for the favourites, guess you can't look further than Cambuur, Volendam or de Graafschap indeed. Excelsior usually area always up there too but we have to wait and see which Feyenoord loanees they will get and whether they'd be any good (Darley for example).


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Hey Wally
I'm Welsh born and bred, but had a Dutch grandad (from around Nijmegen somewhere looking at the family tree).
I like the Jupiler League as it is tough to get tickets for the Eredivisie (PSV and Feyenoord apart).
Last season I went to Den Bosch vs Veendam (2-2) and we managed to walk into the ground the afternoon of the game, some workmen had left one of the gates open as they did some repairs.
Haven't really got a favourite team, it tends to be whoever I last watched, I'll find a team to follow in time.
Hoping to get over to watch a couple of games in the coming season, maybe even an Eredivisie game.
I got here by following a few links, I was looking to see the Jupiler fixtures, so googled "concept Jupiler" and ended up here.
I think Volendam for the title, but they'll need to keep 'slim' Verhoeven in goal!
It will be interesting to see which amateur teams chose to join the league, I think there are 6 or 7 who could survive comfortably but it's a big commitment and the way AGOVV and Omniworld have bounced around in mid-table doesn't bode well I suppose.

Looks good here
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It's hard to say who'll go down next season, Fortuna and Eindhoven are going to face a very tough season but it's not impossible for them to stay up, far from that I think... many teams, think about Veendam, Omniworld, Haarlem, Telstar, Dordrecht, AGOVV haven't got much quality either...

About the amateurs, in the first place I don't expect a team to go up next season because noone is ready for that yet and they probably first want to experience the Topklasse I think.

btw, can the champion (or runner up if champion refuses) go up already next season? still very vague for me all this.

On the long term, teams like Quick Boys, IJsselmeervogels, Spakenburg, Rijnsburg, HHC, Excelsior'31, Harkema etc. must be able to survive in professional football, but it's the question whether they want that... can imagine they prefer to stay among the best amateur teams instead of suffering in the Jupiler League...
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One of Africa's biggest talents (so they claim) on loan at MVV from Trabzonspor

Faty Papy - 19 year old Burundian, a holding midfielder

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Picture looks like it was taken in Drenthe.
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Okay, before the Jupiler kicks off tonight, here are the uneducated guesses from this side of the North Sea...

01 de Graafschap
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02 MVV (promoted via Nacompetitie)
03 Volendam
04 Cambuur
05 Zwolle
06 Go Ahead Eagles
07 Excelsior Rotterdam
08 Helmond Sport
09 Den Bosch
10 Dordrecht
11 Oss
12 Haarlem
13 Emmen
14 Veendam
15 AGOVV
16 Telstar
17 RBC
18 Omniworld
19 Eindhoven
20 Fortuna Sittard
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Jan Poortvliet on Mark Wotte

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Poortvliet haalt uit naar Wotte: "Hij voelt zich hoger dan mij"
Met FC Eindhoven boekte Jan Poortvliet afgelopen vrijdag een sensationele 4-3 overwinning op MVV. De trainer is na een mislukt avontuur bij Southampton weer teruggekeerd in Nederland.
12 aug. 2009 12:39:27


In Zuid-Engeland had Poortvliet te maken met technisch directeur Mark Wotte. De samenwerking tussen beide heren verliep echter allesbehalve gladjes.

"Hij heeft nooit iets gedaan om mij te ondersteunen. Vanaf het begin was hij maar op één ding uit: mijn baantje," onthult Poortvliet tegenover Voetbal International. "Als je hem ziet is het toch al duidelijk? In zijn pakkie, met de borst vooruit, kinnetje omhoog. Hij voelt zich hoger dan mij en vond dat hij méér recht had op mijn baan. En het is hem nog gelukt ook!"


Nu is Poortvliet weer terug in Nederland en heeft hij in FC Eindhoven een nieuwe werkgever gevonden. "Mijn doel bij FC Eindhoven is op de eerste plaats al die lege stoeltjes weer vol te spelen," aldus de oefenmeester.

"Ik wil dat mijn spelers initiatief nemen, acties durven maken. Het is helemaal niet erg als ze dan af en toe een fout maken. Al die trainers zijn tegenwoordig zo voorzichtig als de pest. Ik snap daar niets van. Vroeger deden trainers nooit zo moeilijk"

"De ommekeer is gekomen sinds de periode van Louis van Gaal bij Ajax, denk ik. Hij had succes op zijn manier, prima. Maar al gauw kreeg je de naäpers. Die begonnen ook zoals hij te praten en te doen. Ze snapten niet dat je niet alles wat bij Ajax werkt, zomaar kan overnemen in de Eerste Divisie."


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Blimey, Veendam = 9 goals in just over 100 minutes of the season.
Which idiot tipped them to finish 14th?


Oh, right!
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A rocketstart to their season.
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They better perform though, with all the new players they got. Surely enough was invested.
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Tonights results:
AGOVV Apeldoorn 0 - 1 RBC Roosendaal
SC Cambuur Leeuwarden 1 - 1 MVV Maastricht
FC Emmen 0 - 0 FC Den Bosch
Excelsior Rotterdam 2 - 0 BV Veendam
FC Dordrecht 1 - 0 FC Omniworld
FC Eindhoven 2 - 3 FC Volendam
Fortuna Sittard 5 - 1 Haarlem
Go Ahead Eagles 1 - 0 De Graafschap
Telstar 1 - 4 Helmond Sport
FC Oss 2 - 1 FC Zwolle

Fortuna
Great to see them back alive and kicking!

Eagles the only team with a 100% record so far, surprisingly bad start for Zwolle and Den Bosch if you ask me.
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Tonight there are games as well, results to follow on later .
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Tonight there are games as well, results to follow on later .
De Graafschap 4 - 0 FC Oss
FC Emmen 0 - 1 Go Ahead Eagles
FC Den Bosch 1 - 1 FC Eindhoven
FC Volendam 2 - 2 SC Cambuur Leeuwarden
FC Zwolle 3 - 5 FC Dordrecht
Haarlem 1 - 2 AGOVV Apeldoorn
Helmond Sport 3 - 1 Excelsior Rotterdam
MVV Maastricht 3 - 1 Veendam
RBC Roosendaal 0 - 3 Telstar
FC Omniworld 0 - 0 Fortuna Sittard

Surprises in my opnion, Zwolle (), and Helmond who quite easily beat Excelsior as it seems. Also Telstar did very well in Roosendaal!

Eagles maintain without any points loss which means they're still leading the table, very well done. The 'topper' between Volendam and Cambuur ended with a draw while De Graafschap made no mistake today.

Eagles are leading by three points before Helmond, Dordt and AGOVV who all are at nine.
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So Haarlem get the first goal of the evening but still end up losing.
I know it is only four games in but after a decent season last time around, this time they look big contenders to finish bottom.
Even Eindhoven and Fortuna have shown the ability to dig deep and win, Omniworld, Oss and Telstar have got wins on the board.
So is the relegation from the Jupiler League confirmed this year?
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So is the relegation from the Jupiler League confirmed this year?
Yes, the last two will go down, definitely!

At least, that's what the KNVB announced at the end of July, haven't heard anything new except angry reactions from all Jupiler League teams...
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Yes, the last two will go down, definitely!

At least, that's what the KNVB announced at the end of July, haven't heard anything new except angry reactions from all Jupiler League teams...
Ouch, so if I can totally over-react only five games into the season...
... Friday's Haarlem vs Emmen game looks important already?

And with the Eagles at home to Fortuna, you have to say they look like continuing their great form.
Two of their closest challengers are playing each other on Friday in what looks like the game of the day...
Helmond vs Dordrecht.
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So the relegation is introduced and, suddenly, for the first time in a decade, Fortuna are winning games
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Tonight at 8

Cambuur - Haarlem
Excelsior - Go Ahead Eagles
Dordt - RBC Roosendaal
FC Omniworld - FC Den Bosch
Fortuna - AGOVV
FC Zwolle - De Graafschap
MVV - FC Emmen
Telstar - FC Volendam
FC Oss - FC Eindhoven
Veendam - Helmond Sport

Most interesting matches are Zwolle - De Graafschap and MVV - Emmen. De Graafschap are one of the main favourites for promotion and it's interesting to see if Zwolle can resist them after their poor start. MVV started poor as well and there were even doubts about the coach so they badly need a win, but so do FC Emmen.
As for the rest we've got a small derby in the north between Telstar and Volendam which normally Volendam should win.
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