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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old September 13th, 2009, 13:47 Thread Starter
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Changes to the scoring system

We discussed some of these, maybe not all. Proposed amendments in bold.

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2.1 Point Scoring System

Points are rewarded for each individual player in your starting lineup and any subs used.

Points are added to your team's score for each of the following criteria:

+1 point for each player who plays up to 59 minutes
+2 points for each player who plays 60 minutes or more
+5 points for every goal scored
+3 points for every assist

Points are deducted from your opponent's score for each of the following criteria:

-5 points for a GK who saves a penalty
-5 points for a GK who keeps a clean sheet
-4 points for each CB who keeps a clean sheet
-3 points for each FB who keeps a clean sheet
-2 points for each CM who keeps a clean sheet
-1 point for every three saves that a GK makes

Clean sheet points are only attributed to players who play for 60 minutes or more. A player who is sent off will lose his clean sheet bonus if his team subsequently concede.

Points added to your opponent's score for each of the following criteria:

+5 points for each own goal scored
+3 points for conceding a penalty
+3 points for each red card

+1 point for conceding four goals, and +1 point for each subsequent goal conceded
3 points for conceding a penalty and 3 points for a red card would reflect the opponent's increased chances of scoring.

1 point per 3 saves would give goalkeepers more of an influence on the game. Currently, unless they keep a clean sheet (or save a penalty) then they don't really affect the game. This way, a goalkeeper who makes a lot of saves would give his team a boost, however small. And it's a stat that the Premier League site provides, so it's easy to implement.
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I agree to all of them

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Nice, hopefully I get David James then, he has to make 10+ saves a game.

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Yes, good idea. I agree to that.

I was also hoping to discuss an increase in prize money. I was going to PM you and Mutu about it. Here's what I think for this season:

Winning a game - 5m
Drawing a game - 1m
XTPL Cup Winner - 20m
XTPL Cup Finalist - 10m
1st Position - 30m
2nd - 20m
3rd - 15m
4th - 10m
Highest Scorer - 10m
Best Defence - 10m

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Sounds fine to me.

I mentioned this before, but it would make sense to match that prize money in extra wage money. So:

Winning a game - 0.5m
Drawing a game - 0.1m
XTPL Cup Winner - 2m
XTPL Cup Finalist - 1m
1st Position - 3m
2nd - 2m
3rd - 1.5m
4th - 1m
Highest Scorer - 1m
Best Defence - 1m
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Yes good point.

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Hmm, really not sure about these changes.

It drastically changes the dynamic of the game. -1 point for only 3 saves? Its a pretty sketchy system considering a lot of saves can be really easy for a GK'er to save. There's a reason we pay big bucks for the best GK'ers: They play for the best teams and conceed the fewest goals. This could turn out making the GK'ers who play for worse teams being more / as valuable than guys like Reina.

Not convinced. Don't really see a need for this. Maybe points for saving penalties, but for just "saves". idk, it could mess up our game, which I think at present is a pretty decent system.
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Red card, yeah. I agree with that.
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Yeah, not convinced by the points for saves idea. Everything else is great, but the problem, as Mutu said, is that you can't differentiate between a good save and an easy save. A guy like Jensen could have 6 shots straight at him from 30 yards out in 1 game, and would end up with -2, whereas another keeper could make 2 world-class saves and it doesn't affect his points tally at all.
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That's a good point JD. Maybe it should change to every 5 saves?

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The points for goalkeeper saves is a massive can of worms we can really do without imo.

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The points for goalkeeper saves is a massive can of worms we can really do without imo.
Not if its measurable.

I would like to ask how, 3 saves = a point, came about.

Did you look at the average saves a keeper makes ?

As 3 maybe too little and youre then awarding points freely. Infact I believe 3 is too small.

Id say maybe 10 saves.

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Just leave it altogether.

If we enact it then the next thing will be to give midfielders extra points for completed passes, wingers points for nice dribbles, strikers for shots on goal.

I know we're trying to make the game realistic but unless we plan on using Football Manager style algorithms to determine how well a player plays, we should should just leave it. We're never going to make it perfect.

If we did want to go down this route, then using a respectable newspapers ranking system for player performances would probably be the best idea.
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Just keep it how it is. Except points for Red card.

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Just keep it how it is. Except points for Red card.
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Obviously goalkeepers who makes lots of easy saves would earn points they might not deserve, but I don't think that would be a major issue. And I think it's equally unfair to not reward keepers who work really hard to keep a clean sheet and then concede late in the game to a penalty or an own goal.

The way I see it, it would reward good goalkeepers - goalkeepers who work hard and have a big influence on their team's defensive record - rather than just goalkeepers who play for good teams with good defenders in front of them. It gives managers another criteria on which to judge goalkeepers. Based on clean sheets alone, there's nothing to separate Robinson, Friedel and Schwarzer so far this season. Taking into account the saves they've made, Friedel is clearly the better of the three. This rule, hopefully, would reflect that a little bit.

But, it's just a suggestion. If people think it might unbalance the game then we'll scrap it.

EDIT: Took too long writing that. I'll put it on the shelf, along with all the other brilliant ideas I had that nobody else liked. Like bonus points for having amusing names.

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Not if its measurable.

I would like to ask how, 3 saves = a point, came about.
The Premier League fantasy football game awards 1 point per 3 saves.
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It makes sense in theory, but in practise, it wouldn't work.

This bonus points for funny names idea on the other hand......Roger Johnson.
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The 3 saves for a point works pretty well in the Fantasy Premierleague,

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We definitely need to change the penalty situation.

Pretty bad you dont get punished for giving away a penalty, its pratically giving away a goal in most cases.

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That's a good point JD. Maybe it should change to every 5 saves?
Please, do not forget that we agreed a different system for the European games.

These changes look fine for me, but I just want people to remember that the European games have been agreed by the 3 parts already.
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