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post #1 of 262 (permalink) Old May 24th, 2012, 20:29 Thread Starter
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Israeli Clubs in European competitions 2012/2013

Still a bit early indeed as we just had the end of the season and we will still have the Euro 2012 finals in Poland and Ukraine, but Uefa has announced the teams to compete in the previous stages of its competitions.

Ironi Kiriat Shmona will play in the Champions League qualifiers, but differently from Hapoel Tel Aviv and Maccabi Haifa in the previous years it won`t be seeded which naturally will bring a risk for the team to face a tougher opponent.

Among the toughest ones are Basel who reach the Final 16 of the current Champions League season and Partizan Belgrade who was coached by Avram Grant until two weeks ago.


Possible opponents:

Basel (Switzerland)
BATE Borisov (Belarus)
Red Bull Salzburg (Austria)
Dinamo Zagreb (Croatia)
Zilina (Slovakia)
Partizan Belgrade (Serbia)
Helsinborg (Sweden)
Sheriff Tiraspol (Moldova)
Debrecen (Hungary)
Maribor (Slovenia)
Ventspils (Latvia)
Slovan Liberec (Czech Republic)
Slask Wroclaw (Poland)
HJK Helsinki (Finland)
AEL Limassol (Cyprus)
Ekranas (Lithuania)
Zestafoni (Georgia)


Kiriat Shmona was the best second unseeded team only behind Shamrock Rovers from Ireland. But as mentioned they won`t be seeded in neither of the round and in order to reach to Champions Group Stage they will have to beat four opponents. If they go past three they at least reach Europa League Group Stage.
If we take the list, there aren`t any easy opponents to be honest. Maybe only Ekranas and Zestafoni are the two opponents that we could say Kiriat Shmona would have the edge, but the others to be honest I am not quite sure.
Well there is still one month until the draw if I am not mistaken, but Gili Landau and his staff certainly must begin at least an overview through the opponents.
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In the Europa League both Maccabi Netanya and Bnei Yehuda will start in the 2nd qualfying round and seeded, but in an eventual advance both teams won`t be seeded until reaching the Group Stage after the 4th round.

Hapoel Tel Aviv is the Israeli team in the best situation as is one round away from the Europa League Group Stage and seeded. Hopefully the internal problems won´t affect the team in the pitch and this time they will have more time to prepare themselves for Europe.
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In the Europa League both Maccabi Netanya and Bnei Yehuda will start in the 2nd qualfying round and seeded, but in an eventual advance both teams won`t be seeded until reaching the Group Stage after the 4th round.

Hapoel Tel Aviv is the Israeli team in the best situation as is one round away from the Europa League Group Stage and seeded. Hopefully the internal problems won´t affect the team in the pitch and this time they will have more time to prepare themselves for Europe.
our coefficient is going to be killed.
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I hope Kiryat Shomna gets lucky with the draw, maybe they could make it to the Europa league Groups.
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I hope Kiryat Shomna gets lucky with the draw, maybe they could make it to the Europa league Groups.
True, I really hope so aswell. The only issue is that if eventually Kiriat Shmona plays a tough team and advance, for the next draw they take the coefficient points of the team they defeated since the draw is normally made in between the two legs of the 2nd qualifing round.

Anyways, it won´t be easy and hopefully the fact that the base of last season´s team will remain is certainly inspiring.
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lets make the things more clear now -

options for kiryat shmone which will be unseeded for the whole qualifation stage, luckily they cannot meet one of the strongest leagues teams and the highest level they can compete is scotland/belguim, wont be to hard!

Basel
BATE Borisov
Red Bull Salzburg
Dinamo Zagreb
Žilina
Partizan
Helsingborg
Sheriff Tiraspol
Debrecen
Maribor
Ventspils
Slovan Liberec
Śląsk Wrocław
HJK Helsinki
AEL Limassol
Ekranas
Zestafoni

playoff round -
Winners of match involving Basel
Anderlecht
Celtic
Winners of match involving BATE Borisov
Winners of match involving Red Bull Salzburg
Winners of match involving Dinamo Zagreb
CFR Cluj
Winners of match involving Žilina
Winners of match involving Partizan
Winners of match involving Helsingborg



Europa league -
bnei yehuda and Maccabi Netanya will start playing in the 2nd qualifation stage, and will be seeded in that stage can compete against -
Winners of match involving Metalurgi Rustavi
St. Johnstone
Winners of match involving Sarajevo
Naftan Novopolotsk
Shakhtyor Salihorsk
Winners of match involving Bohemians
Winners of match involving Senica
Inter Turku
Winners of match involving Osijek
Winners of match involving FH
Winners of match involving Levadia Tallinn
Videoton
Winners of match involving Pyunik
Winners of match involving Dacia Chişinău
Winners of match involving Baku
Winners of match involving Borac Banja Luka
Winners of match involving Metalurgs
Winners of match involving Bangor City
Winners of match involving Differdange 03
Winners of match involving Honvéd
Široki Brijeg
Skonto
Winners of match involving Sūduva Marijampolė
Lokomotiv Plovdiv
Winners of match involving Jagodina
Winners of match involving MYPA
Winners of match involving Tirana
Sligo Rovers
Winners of match involving Olimpija Ljubljana
Winners of match involving Renova
Winners of match involving Inter Baku
Winners of match involving Rudar Pljevlja
Winners of match involving KuPS
Winners of match involving Shkëndija
Winners of match involving Birkirkara
Winners of match involving EB/Streymur
Winners of match involving Khazar Lankaran
Dila Gori
Milsami Orhei
Žalgiris Vilnius


will be way to much if i write their options for the next stage, so we will have to wait till they play in this easy stage
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The truth is I am not very optimistic about Israeli teams in Europe this season.

Kiriat Shmona kept most of the players that led to the title but their strength was the command of Ran Ben Shimon and no coincidently as soon as he had that public discussion with Shiratzki the team started playing below level.
The fact that the team won´t be seeded and didn´t manage to bring in (until now) quality players certainly is an indicator of a poor campaign.

Maccabi Netanya and Bnei yehuda could surprise in the beggining depending on draw but i don´t believe that neither will reach the Group Stage. Both of them had an excellent season but changed coaches. Netanya has hired Tal Banin which is a good bet IMO, but it might take a bit of time to adopt his philosophy. Bnei yehuda opted for Kashtan which has a big curricullum but not sure if he will take the club to higher levels.

In theory the only hope for coefficients is Hapoel Tel Aviv. Already in the playoffs of the Europa League and seeded the team has everything to guarantee a spot at the Group Stage, but with the current situation of the club maybe we can´t expect much from them.

Hopefully they will prove otherwise
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its true, i also dont believe in those teams, espically when none of them (except for hapoel) has crowd, none will follow them for away games and even home games wont be over 5k ppl.. kinda sad..
thats why we need the big four to play in europe every year
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its true, i also dont believe in those teams, espically when none of them (except for hapoel) has crowd, none will follow them for away games and even home games wont be over 5k ppl.. kinda sad..
thats why we need the big four to play in europe every year
Yeah, the Big 4 would leave us more optimistic every year at least.

Netanya could bring around 5k as you say but even when they were fighting for the title with a good squad (Shechter, Almog Cohen, Strauber, Dedi Ben Dayan etc..) and Mattahus as a coach they still didn´t bring many people to the stadium.
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yeh, but europe allways get more crowd than usual, in 2009 when they played last time in europe they brought 7000 against Galatasaray (and lost 5-1 lol)
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yeh, but europe allways get more crowd than usual, in 2009 when they played last time in europe they brought 7000 against Galatasaray (and lost 5-1 lol)
Netanya is a traditional side in Israeli football so it is nice to see them represent the country.

Maybe they were a bit down since the team after the 80´s had a very bad period and only recently when Daniel Jammer assumed as boss entered the scenario of Israeli football.

Speaking about Netanya they already managed to keep Hen Ezra that was a traget of Maccabi Haifa.
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Hen ezra is super overrated. and im sure he knows it by himself, thats the reason he stayed..
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Hen ezra is super overrated. and im sure he knows it by himself, thats the reason he stayed..
For local standards he is a good player and the fact that Reuven Atar worked with him at Netanya could have contributed with the interest of Maccabi Haifa.

But Netanya asked a very high price and Haifa gave up on the negotiations.
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actually, i think he has nothing new to bring to haifa, they got a great MF already, golasa and katan are the best mfs in our league, i must admit that.
ezra can only ruin it, and also, i think he wont handle the pressure of a big club, just like Dele yampolski couldnt, or orel dgani..
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our coefficient is going to be killed.
Yup. This feels like it'll be a serious blow to Israel's presense in Europe for some time now.
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Well, we can take it, if the big four cant play well in europe it doesnt matter .. I just hope netanya and bnei yehuda will make it to the playoffs and hapoel to the group stage..
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our coefficient is going to be killed.
Our coeffiecient isnt going to be as hurt as you would think. the coefficient is calulated using the average of the last five years points. in 07/08 we had 2.75 points (08/09 1.75, 09/10 7.25, 10/11 4.625, 11/12 6.0)

The good news is we are losing a terrible year, so it will be tough to go down from there.

That being said, 15th place is the magic number (2 champions league spots) currently austria is in 15th with 26.325. So to get to 15th spot, one would assume we need to average over 5 points per year to get there. At the minimum getting as many teams to the group stages is vital to having a shot at 15th spot. (but playing and winning as many games as possible is vital as well.)

If kiryat shimona loses in the 2nd group, the do not even have a shot to try and qualify for europa league. Throw in bnei yehuda and maccabi netanya who probably will not even be seeded in the 3rd qualifying round of EL, and it seems like it will be difficult to even improve on the 07/08 weak performance.
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I just hope that by the end of of 2013 season we would have Maccabi Haifa back at it...and whatever MTA has in store for us as well..

Hapoel Tel Aviv should also get back and who can forget Beitar

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forget about beitar, right now if they wont sell most of their players they wont even play in the premier league, so you wont see them over the 8th place..
about hapoel -they are already selling their players cause taviv wanna get rid of the club, so right now the only hopes we got for our football in europe are maccabi and haifa
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Our coeffiecient isnt going to be as hurt as you would think. the coefficient is calulated using the average of the last five years points. in 07/08 we had 2.75 points (08/09 1.75, 09/10 7.25, 10/11 4.625, 11/12 6.0)

The good news is we are losing a terrible year, so it will be tough to go down from there.

That being said, 15th place is the magic number (2 champions league spots) currently austria is in 15th with 26.325. So to get to 15th spot, one would assume we need to average over 5 points per year to get there. At the minimum getting as many teams to the group stages is vital to having a shot at 15th spot. (but playing and winning as many games as possible is vital as well.)

If kiryat shimona loses in the 2nd group, the do not even have a shot to try and qualify for europa league. Throw in bnei yehuda and maccabi netanya who probably will not even be seeded in the 3rd qualifying round of EL, and it seems like it will be difficult to even improve on the 07/08 weak performance.
Your observation is good the only issue to be sad is that since we would have a terrible season out we had a chance to put a good coefficient this season and the 15th place would be real but with the current situation is doesn´t seem to happen.
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