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What is needed to improve the quality of football in Israel?

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This has been an eternal and extense debate over Israeli football in the past years. With the improvement of the club results in European competitions, more players moving to bigger leagues, the NT almost making into the tournaments, the demand and money influx rose as well.

The problem is that this money isn´t exactl spent on the correct issues. For example, clubs tend to think on a short term income by pouring money on some big name foreigners to attract the public and more money, but this way it ends up taking the spot of many youngsters who needed space and confidence.
Youth facilities are still far from the ideal in comparison to the main European leagues, we have a very good raw material, excellent quality players, but they aren´t well prepared be it on the physical aspect and especially in the mental aspect.
We need to change our mentality in order to move a step further. That is a must IMO.
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This has been an eternal and extense debate over Israeli football in the past years. With the improvement of the club results in European competitions, more players moving to bigger leagues, the NT almost making into the tournaments, the demand and money influx rose as well.

The problem is that this money isn´t exactl spent on the correct issues. For example, clubs tend to think on a short term income by pouring money on some big name foreigners to attract the public and more money, but this way it ends up taking the spot of many youngsters who needed space and confidence.
Youth facilities are still far from the ideal in comparison to the main European leagues, we have a very good raw material, excellent quality players, but they aren´t well prepared be it on the physical aspect and especially in the mental aspect.
We need to change our mentality in order to move a step further. That is a must IMO.
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Do you feel like visibility of Israeli players in the top tier of European football is a marker for how good you guys are progressing?

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Do you feel like visibility of Israeli players in the top tier of European football is a marker for how good you guys are progressing?
IMO this could be an indicator, but maybe not a precise one. It is always good to have players in major leagues and clubs, but not always this means success. We have players like Ben Sahar (Chelsea), Guy Asulin (Barcelona), Nir Manzour (Real Madrid), Alex Zahavi (Sporting) who played in top European clubs as youth players and this didn´t guaranteed them great fututre. This only make my previous point that we have the raw material and good players to succeed, they just need to be well prepared.

Maybe a more precise issue to see the progress of Israeli football are the clubs in European competitions (since we have a foreign limit of 5 players per team, more than half of the starters are necessary Israelis at least) and the NT. We had three different teams already reaching the Champions League Group Stage and in the past we had impressive runs in the extinct Uefa Cup, Cup Winners Cup and more recently the Europa League.
The NT in the last 20 years has improved and we have reached a level where we are respected and not seen as a wakover, especially when we play at home. IMO we had a little slump though because we didn´t give the correct continuity. The golden era was in the late 90´s early 2000´s where we had players not only playing abroad, but having success. cases of Eyal Berkovic, Haim Revivo, Tal Banin, Ronni Rosenthal etc....
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Overall I think our problem is the attitude inside of Israel.

The media has a huge impact.. they're 'making' stars out of every kid who has a few good games.. now those with great and strong character such as Yossi Benayoun for example who thrive for more are not affected by it - but most of our young talents are.. they are tempted to stay in that nice and cuddeling environment and not willing to work hard and "start over" in Europe.

Ofcourse the practice facilities are not ideal aswell, and the players are not taught to be real proffesionals and only do half the job most of the times - but thats the case in most countries not named England/Spain/Germany/Italy etc I guess.

Also the most major fact the Israeli football is damaged is, that in Israel theres a law where every guy living in Israel has to serve 3 years in the army.

Now it's not that they're being shot at etc, most of them(atleast stars who play in the league) are usually getting office jobs comming up to 4 hours a day.. but still they can't go and play in Europe, thier mind isn't all on football, they can't really give thier all to the game and to improoving... and those like Gai Assulin and ben Sahar who from a young age go to Europe are told they won't be allowed to play in the NT unless they do it.

IMO thats our main problem.. cause we practicly cut the progress of our guys in the most importent time of thier career development-wise... IMO thats the major reason why we're not as good as we know we can be.. and I don't see it changing anytime soon either sadly.

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Thanks for the info guys. It's very interesting to see how the various factors influence the footballing situation.

Is there a way to adapt to the military situation? Is the government open to some adaptation of their drafting policies? Deferred draft, for instance?

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Thanks for the info guys. It's very interesting to see how the various factors influence the footballing situation.

Is there a way to adapt to the military situation? Is the government open to some adaptation of their drafting policies? Deferred draft, for instance?
There was a certain type of mobilization in the government about this issue with help of the IFA, with the supposed law being called by the press "Ben Sahar law" exactly because this was the case by then young Chelsea striker Ben Sahar who was wanted for the senior squad of the NT, but couldn`t play because he didn`t attent military service.

The main contestation by the opposition was that, "the country ismore important and above all" or other sporting players and sectors of society would see that "if football can be privliged why can`t we"?

Like Stanko pointed out this is the key development period for a player and our young boys don`t get proper training or let´s say the ideal training for higher levels despite all the potential they have. That is why Israel has very good results in the youth NT levels, but when it comes to the senior they can`t keep the same quality.
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