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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old April 15th, 2010, 15:32 Thread Starter
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Beitar's Future

With Beitar's season now focusing on finishing as high as possible in the league, and now that Aguiar is no longer funding the team, will Beitar be forced to sell Itzhaki and Baruchyan this summer?

I say yes, but I'm wondering where they will go. I don't think Beitar wants to sell them to HTA, MTA, or Haifa. I think they'll go abroad. What do you guys think?
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With Beitar's season now focusing on finishing as high as possible in the league, and now that Aguiar is no longer funding the team, will Beitar be forced to sell Itzhaki and Baruchyan this summer?

I say yes, but I'm wondering where they will go. I don't think Beitar wants to sell them to HTA, MTA, or Haifa. I think they'll go abroad. What do you guys think?
The other big clubs have already expressed interest in signing Itzhaki and Baruchyan or any other possible talent that Beitar will sell.

It would be strange to see this players who came from Beitar youth ranks and have so much identification with the club play for another rival.

Beitar will try its best to keep them for sure, but if they sell they rather do it to Europe.

At least Beitar have a new set of talented players coming that if not replacing Itzhaki and Baruchyan at same level, at least won`t let the quality drop so much. Idan Vered is an example and this could be an opportunity for Hen Azriel to show all his potential.
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It sucks that we will let our future go.....
same time im mad cause we dont have any potential buyers for our team....we have so much success in the league, yet, thanks for the media, no one wants to buy Beitar!

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It sucks that we will let our future go.....
same time im mad cause we dont have any potential buyers for our team....we have so much success in the league, yet, thanks for the media, no one wants to buy Beitar!
Because people think it is easy to administrate a football club and in Israel one of the things we need to improve is more professionalism in the background stage. IFA is very much criticized by the way they handle our football and decision makings, but the clubs also don`t contribute for organization.

Beitar, is the team with most potential in Israel. Has the best stadium, a fanatical fanbase which goes to Teddy no matter what is the situation, good youth players and media exposure, the basic characterisitcs that an investor looks firstly to buy a team.

Unfortunately for Beitar, the last owners had a lot of extrafield problems which somehow affected the team since there wasn`t certanty of future.

Hopefully for Beitar and Israeli football things will change in this sense.
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Because people think it is easy to administrate a football club and in Israel one of the things we need to improve is more professionalism in the background stage. IFA is very much criticized by the way they handle our football and decision makings, but the clubs also don`t contribute for organization.

Beitar, is the team with most potential in Israel. Has the best stadium, a fanatical fanbase which goes to Teddy no matter what is the situation, good youth players and media exposure, the basic characterisitcs that an investor looks firstly to buy a team.

Unfortunately for Beitar, the last owners had a lot of extrafield problems which somehow affected the team since there wasn`t certanty of future.

Hopefully for Beitar and Israeli football things will change in this sense.
The only stable owner we have is Shahar for M. Haifa.

Even at MTA they dont have a really strong owner...
everyone is in it for the short term....

and i dont know how people make profits....
neglected stadiums...most are not even owned by the teams, limited profits from ticket sales, no real merchandise sale, lack of support through government institutions, not much time for TV....and so forth....

Im not saying we should be like England, but we can surely do better....

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The only stable owner we have is Shahar for M. Haifa.

Even at MTA they dont have a really strong owner...
everyone is in it for the short term....

and i dont know how people make profits....
neglected stadiums...most are not even owned by the teams, limited profits from ticket sales, no real merchandise sale, lack of support through government institutions, not much time for TV....and so forth....

Im not saying we should be like England, but we can surely do better....
There was a time in football that gate receipts and ticket sales were the main income for the clubs, but things have changed as you mentioned.
Maybe if the stadium conditions were better we would have more people attending the games, we need to modernize urgently our stadiums and I only see Haifa making a step in this sense. Most of the stadiums are municipal because for the clubs with the current state and lack of investment it doesn`t make sense to own one since it costs too much.

Today the main income is TV rights which includes pay per view and there is also a reason that contributes for less fans on the stadiums and why today the capacities are diminuishing. Israeli clubs should also look more for merchandising, it is not everywhere that we find club jerseys and when we find there isn`t a big variety and forget about buying medium to small club shirts it is rare or you need to ask for the club to give you one.

Regarding Maccabi Tel Aviv, our current owner is good IMO. Goldhar is a low profile guy and a discrete person (at least in terms of appearing in the media) which is good for the club. He has a good vision and build the team in a right way this season, not giving pressure on results, but mainly to give a long term project preparing our talented youngsters for the future. Plus, he has already began earlier than other rivals and alrady announced the arrival of Collauti and Ziv, two important players who certainly will add a lot of quality and experience to our currentńy young squad.
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We now have a chance to build Beitar from the start as a big club managment wise and staff wise.
we need to build Beitar as a team that can manage themselves from thier own revenue's all the while hiring marketing people and other managment people that cab raise our revenue's.
No more buying players for big bucks and then losing them when the money is gone,no more having young talented players that berraly advance their talents instead hiring a wide staff that can help them be better mentally techinchly and physiclly.
No more under qulified managers like shum,only high standard ones like Kashtan,Roni Levy and Gutman.

Here is a good article on how Ben-Zaken does in Ashdod with less money:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/spages/1163565.html
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We now have a chance to build Beitar from the start as a big club managment wise and staff wise.
we need to build Beitar as a team that can manage themselves from thier own revenue's all the while hiring marketing people and other managment people that cab raise our revenue's.
No more buying players for big bucks and then losing them when the money is gone,no more having young talented players that berraly advance their talents instead hiring a wide staff that can help them be better mentally techinchly and physiclly.
No more under qulified managers like shum,only high standard ones like Kashtan,Roni Levy and Gutman.

Here is a good article on how Ben-Zaken does in Ashdod with less money:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/spages/1163565.html
Very interesting article. They are on the right path, but they don´t have too much budget and a big fanbase to reach the big 4.

But they are always close to Europe and rarely too relegation, have a great youth system.
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So I guess Its pretty clear that Beitar is in for some major changes, who stays and who goes over the summer?

Manager: David Amsalem Y/N
I say no, he has done a decent job, keep him on as an assistant, but if Beitar has any ambition of being a big club, they might want to bring Reuven Atar back, who performed miracles last year, without any money from Aguiar I might add.

Beitar is in a financial bind, so they will need to sell. Will they just sell Itzhaki? or will they sell Vered and Baruchyan too.

Out: Barak Itzhaki, Baruchyan, Vered, Gershon, Benado, Visa, Vasquez, De la Hasa?...

In: Will Beitar even buy any players? What do you guys think?
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Its a day to day basis with Beitar.
Beitar seems to be in the loop all the time....

Itzahki and Bruchayan and even Vered will go for sure.......
In....who knows...who wants to come to a team thats broke like beitar.
Sucks that we are in this gutter.

As for Amsalem...
he has done good for a 3-4 games but choked the rest. We are not even going to pass Maccabi Tel Aviv now

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If they sell Itzhaki or Baruchyan they will have wnough money to keep the rest of the team because they will leave for a big price.
Beitar is a big club and always will survive, despite bad moments the clubs is always tempting, especially for Israeli players. IMO the team will keep a good basis for our league standards:

They need younger defenders, Benado and Guershon are way past prime and when facing a very fast attack have problems. Ben Yosef is decent defender, could be kept in the team. They have Kozokin who could play as a rightback as well.
Denin is a good leftback. They still got Rikan who could play on that position.

In their attack, they would still have Tamuz and Ben Shushan and even Hen Azriel which is a good striker.

IMO they need another creative midfielder to playalongside Baruchyan and a younger defender.

As for the coaching role, I agree Atar would be a good option for the moment. What about Klinger or Malmilian who did a great job promoting Ashkelon?
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Main candidates to coach Beitar next season: Roni Levi and Nitzan Shirazi. Honestly I don´t neither them will be at the capital next season.
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Other reported candidates: Jan Talasnikov, Uri Malmilian and Guy Azouri. I would say that for the current Beitar moment, these three options would be interesting because they aren´t so expensive as Roni Levi or Guy Levi, or even Shirazi himself, but all of them have identification with Beitar.
Malmilian did a great job with Ashkelon this season and is a club legend. He would be a good option IMO. Azuri has a good work with youth players and Beitar will probably have many youngsters on their squad next season. Talasnikov is the least expressive in terms of coaching achievements so far, but is well known in Jerusalem as he played in the great Beitar team of the late 90´s and also late in his career at Hapoel Jerusalem. Beitar fans like him a lot.

What do you guys think?
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Prefer Atar

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Well at least rumours didn`t link him to Beitar. His situation at Netanya isn`t clear either, especially because Daniel Jammer is leaving this summer and many of his key players will leave the club.
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I like Atar, I also read on ONE today that John Gregory is a candidate for Beitar, interesting to see what will happen.
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I like Atar, I also read on ONE today that John Gregory is a candidate for Beitar, interesting to see what will happen.
Don´t think he would succeed at Beitar IMHO. Could be wrong oif course.

It will be funny to see what the hard core Beitar fans will say, he just coached Ahi Nazrath. I remember when Lior Asulin arrived from Sakhnin to Beitar that "La Familia" came to him and said he should do Mikve because he had arrived from the migzar
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John Greogory didnt do any good in Ahi Nazareth and has no depth of Israeli soccer. Just a name.......

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John Greogory didnt do any good in Ahi Nazareth and has no depth of Israeli soccer. Just a name.......
A name that impressively every summer is linked with an Israeli team
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kappa, how would even know what Gregory has done in Ahi Nazereth?
Have you seen the way he works their? what his plans are?

He didn't do anything good in Ahi Nazareth? i bet Tomer Hemed, Rami Duani and Yaniv Luzon beg to differ.
What succes can any manager have in team that he arrived in in the middle of the season,has no money,has no base players(they're build from loaners), and doesn't pay the players?
In football you need to think outside of what you see in front of you,even mourinho wouldn't have saved Ahi Nazraet from relegation.
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