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Another Gerogian at Maccabi Haifa?

Today Levan Khamladze, midfielder from Dinamo Tblisi, had his first training with Maccabi Haifa. The Gerogian is in trials with the club and will have one week to impress coach Roni Levi. If Khamladze signs he will join striker Vladimir Dvalishvili as another Gerogian at the club.
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The whole faking team is Gruzinim!!!!
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Actually his arrival could explain the reality of Israeli football. Sometime ago we attracted many players from Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland and Eastern Europe in general. Then we lost these players when these countries joined the European Union and consequently weren´t considered foreigners in European bigger leagues.
Then we went for the Balkans and joined Serbians, Croats, Slovenians and Macedonians, we still do, but we are losing them aswell, now we are going for the peripheric european countries like Georgia, Moldova and Armenia and African players and cheap South American players. Plus, bringing some Jewish player from abroad that won´t be considered foreigners in the hope he could be a good bet.

This let us conlude one thing: Our league is losing space to other leagues, that our teams can´t compete financially with same level leagues (we are losing space for Cyprus for example). In this case we should invest and believe more on our youth if we can´t bring quality players. Better our youths than foreigners who don´t add to our league.

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A sad reality to be frank with you.......

We used to get foreign players who did well in our League, but the truth is, they use it as a pad to get into Europe. Who wants to make a career in Israel? If you play in a team like Beer Sheva or Ramat Gan...how will you be able to show your talent and move to a bigger team/league without any European exposure or scouting?

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A sad reality to be frank with you.......

We used to get foreign players who did well in our League, but the truth is, they use it as a pad to get into Europe. Who wants to make a career in Israel? If you play in a team like Beer Sheva or Ramat Gan...how will you be able to show your talent and move to a bigger team/league without any European exposure or scouting?
Of course, Israel is a league where you wish to get noticed and move up to a bigger center in football, but we used to have more quality foreigners in our squads. We used to have many foreigners who played for different NT´s (we still do, but much less).

Our rivals are also a jumping league for bigger centers and they know it, but they at least have a more competitive league and their teams manage to achieve results in Europe. This is the case of Romania.

Turkey and Greece weren´t strong leagues some 10-15 years ago, now they are a desired spot for many quality foreigners.
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Like I said..there is countries that put money in the League to prosper and make it grown. Israel is not one of those countries. Israel tries to compete in UEFA, but then again, so does Albania and Montenegro...

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Like I said..there is countries that put money in the League to prosper and make it grown. Israel is not one of those countries. Israel tries to compete in UEFA, but then again, so does Albania and Montenegro...
Israel has somehow a different reality of many European countries. We focus a lot of investments on security and this eventually leaves less budget for sports. If it weren´t for Jewish philantropists and billionaires from abroad we would have even less investments in the league.

But i still think we do alright with all the conditions presented. This season we will have a good coefficient and we will be able to climb in the league ranking. Currently we are the 20th best league in Europe out of 52 countries and depending on results we could improve this position already next season if Hapoel Tel Aviv manages some more good results.
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the sheer problem also stems from not much support for Israeli sports outside of Israel.

Only a handful of diaspora jews actually focus their attention to sports like you and me. I wouldnt be damned if Israel was to make it in the World Cup and Jews abroad wouldnt care....

We need to also get potential Jewish investors to invest in the League so that we can be able to attract better players. So many Jewish philanthropists could be a potential. But yet, we never get them investing. They do invest in Israel. Just not in our sports. Thats why teams in Israel are so devalued. A few million dollars is what they are worth

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the sheer problem also stems from not much support for Israeli sports outside of Israel.

Only a handful of diaspora jews actually focus their attention to sports like you and me. I wouldnt be damned if Israel was to make it in the World Cup and Jews abroad wouldnt care....

We need to also get potential Jewish investors to invest in the League so that we can be able to attract better players. So many Jewish philanthropists could be a potential. But yet, we never get them investing. They do invest in Israel. Just not in our sports. Thats why teams in Israel are so devalued. A few million dollars is what they are worth
We had Gaydamek at Beitar and now Guma Aguiar. We had Alex Sneider and now Mitch Goldhar at Maccabi Tel Aviv and we also had in a less scale an American Jew that sponsored Kiriat Shmona.
We have some intrests from abroad Jews, but when they get into Israel they don´t receive a lot of support from the Israeli authorities. Remember Gaydamek, how is war persecuted by government and media (ok, maybe he wasn´t a saint). They don´t have the feedback for a big investment and that is why we don´t have more millionaires coming in and pouring money.
We all know the diaspora have many people who like sports and with money.
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We had Gaydamek at Beitar and now Guma Aguiar. We had Alex Sneider and now Mitch Goldhar at Maccabi Tel Aviv and we also had in a less scale an American Jew that sponsored Kiriat Shmona.
We have some intrests from abroad Jews, but when they get into Israel they don´t receive a lot of support from the Israeli authorities. Remember Gaydamek, how is war persecuted by government and media (ok, maybe he wasn´t a saint). They don´t have the feedback for a big investment and that is why we don´t have more millionaires coming in and pouring money.
We all know the diaspora have many people who like sports and with money.
Yea, the media is never good to owners. They grill them at every point that they have.
But still, our League value isnt alot. What is the highest a team in Israel fetches for? 25 Million if i was to buy out MTA? Some even go for 2.5-5 Million. Not alot.

I would hope that other investors will come to Israel. Mark Cuban. Adelson and so forth.....

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How many "Big" teams do you think Israel can support?

Outside of Haifa, Jerusalem & Tel Aviv, I think it would be difficult for any other city to support a Big franchise (maybe Beer Sheba or Peta Tikva). I mean that gives you at most 6-8 "major" franchises. To get a Mark Cuban type investor, they are not going to want to invest in a potential franchise with minimal upside. I do not think it is about making money as much as it is the pride of having a big following with both European and domestic success.

Netanya is the perfect example. Jammer bought the club, hired Lothar Matthaus as coach, and they still had trouble generating fan support and results (if u call losing to a Bulgarian side in the Uefa Cup qualification a result then....)

In order to have a big time investor invest in an Israeli franchise, the investor needs to see a big time opportunity, and currently in the IPL, there only exists 4, Maccabi Haifa, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Hapoel Tel Aviv and Beitar Jerusalem. I do not think any of those are currently for sale (2 have long time owner, 2 were just newly purchased).

As far as signing better foreigners, I think for the players it is 50% money 50 % European opportunity. So based on the current crop of owners, that leads to young africans, south americans and veteran eastern block euros and Americans (espeically jewish ones) Teams can take a flyer on 1-3 young kids (ala Ransford Osei) and sign 2-4 veteran types who would be fringe starters in top european leagues.

I think with better scouting, top teams can have at least 2-3 quality foreigners. I think that placing some of the money earned from european cup payouts should be spent on improved foreigners. It seems to me that the top teams should have 3-5 foreigners with $1MM+ values on their books.

Aside, I think Maccabi haifa has at most 1 or 2 (Masilela and Dvalishvilli) imagine if instead of Teixera, Culma and Dutra they had foreigners the quality of Douglas da silva, Igor Tomasic and Derek Boateng. I just think the team could do better than an above average player from a mediocre team.
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And yes...fan support.
We hardly generate much fan support.

im not going to distinguish from other clubs, but if you look at Greece, they have an average fan attendance of 13,000. We have more like 5000... bad stadium, bad management and an unprofessional environment. It really pin points Israel in a direction that it doesnt want to be in. We act professional, but all else is amatuer.

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Israel is a small country and of course it will be difficult to create "big teams". Today we could consider 4 teams as big ones: Maccabi Haifa, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Hapoel Tel Aviv and Beitar Jerusalem.

All of them have a big fanbase, a glorious history, the teams that have represented Israel the most in European competitions and that have given the NT most of the players.

Other cities like Beer Sheva, Petah Tikva, Netanya, Ashdod can´t really compete with the same fanbase and that is why in the last few years we saw mergings of traditional teams like Hakoach Ramat Gan (merged with Maccabi Ramat Amidar and now officially is called Hakoach Amidar Ramat Gan) or Shimshon and Beitar from Tel Aviv or even SC Ashdod that in order to compete in a good level in top flight merged Ironi Ashdod and Hapoel Ashdod.

So of course it is very difficult to attract owners, especially from abroad (because the Israeli businessmen with few exceptions aren´t willing to pour a lot of money in football) who will invest a lot of money and bring quality players.

But despite all this i still think we could be in better situation, if the clubs had overall a better management the teams would be stronger and if IFA organized itself better we could attract more players and not lose them to Cyprus for example.
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