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View Poll Results: What is Beitar Jerusalem´s problem?
Coach Itzhak Shum. He isn´t managing well. 2 28.57%
The players. They aren´t good enough. 3 42.86%
The management. Wrong moves all the time. 4 57.14%
The fans. Too much pressure on the players. 1 14.29%
Late pre season preparation. The team is not fit enough. 2 28.57%
Other 0 0%
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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old November 29th, 2009, 17:39 Thread Starter
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What is Beitar Jerusalem`s problem?

Beitar Jerusalem has stopped in 6th place with 15 points way behind leaders Maccabi Haifa and far from Hapoel Tel Aviv. The team started off the league giving signs of recovery (this summer the team was on the verge of bankruptcy and until late August most of squad wasn`t guaranteed).

In the last games Beitar lost to Haifa, drew Acco at Teddy and lost yesterday to Ashdod 2-0.

Itzhak Shum is under pressure and the the players aren´t showing a lot of will.

What is Beitar´s problem?
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post #2 of 39 (permalink) Old November 29th, 2009, 20:27
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I think no one likes chemistry in Beitar to begin with.

We started the season really slow. Nothing really happened. As you know because of the whole ownership and money problems in Beitar...we were disallowed a chance to go to Europe. When everything else was done, we missed our European spot and gave it up to Netanya. Meanwhile, our woes just started as players were exiting and no new names came... not many wanted to play in Beitar seeing that its pretty risky...

but in the first few games we may have had it together. We were very strong and our young team looked very bright...but overall, our game diminished and we were playing really slumpy. Good defense and Goal Keeping but lack in the midfield and offensive...

This is the result.

The fans are the worse, but its not the fans who say the last call..its management. Management hates when Beitar doesnt do well, but never gives anyone chances. You only get 1 chance in Beitar. Shum is not a bad coach but he is ruining his reputation cause in the end of the season he will be blamed for Beitar's problems.

I think we need to stick with our formation for next season. The problem is that we got so many good players that we dont know if they will stay. Toto might go and so can Bruchyan...so its a bit risky...

We just need to recoup ourselves for next season...
Although i do wish we would have a seed for the 2010/2011 European run

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I agree it is a chemistry, but my vote goes for the management. Since Gaydamek era Beitar had wrong decisions all the time that culminated in the team not playing in Europe this season, late pre season, players not motivated enough and with wage cuts.

Beitar has very good players and they could recover, but at Beitar things, have more pressure than any other team.
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beitar is a big club, with lots of talent and a huge lack of management. I don't care if its shum or mourinho...something needs to change from the base...
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beitar is a big club, with lots of talent and a huge lack of management. I don't care if its shum or mourinho...something needs to change from the base...
Definitely the mess that management has made at Beitar is tough to correct.

It is a shame because there is a very big potential at the club and many young talents over there. Not even an experienced coach like Shum is being able to put things in order.
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they won their last game, so I wouldn't exactly count Beitar out, Shum knows his stuff, I think Beitar will eventually finish third, unless they lose Bruchyan or Itzhaki to the transfer season in the winter.
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they won their last game, so I wouldn't exactly count Beitar out, Shum knows his stuff, I think Beitar will eventually finish third, unless they lose Bruchyan or Itzhaki to the transfer season in the winter.
I see unlikely Baruchyan and Itzhaki moving in January. Anywyas, they beat Raanana 3-1 at Teddy, but they didn`t play well. Tamuz came from the bench to save Beitar once again and remembering the visitors started ahead.

Beitar has good players, but they aren`t being able to show it on the pitch. There is still a long way to go in the league and they could eventually fight for a Europa League spot, but they aren`t showing strength. I see Bnei Yehuda and Maccabi Tel Aviv at this moment better than Beitar for the third place spot.
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Bney Yehuda is good....but Maccabi Tel Aviv sometimes flops...but not like Beitar. Beitar can pick up some steam......

look at Maccabi Haifa's future games..they got a lot of games to play vs. the top teams... if they dont do well, they may lose points too...or on the contrary...get Beitar up there if the top teams lose crucial points

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Bney Yehuda is good....but Maccabi Tel Aviv sometimes flops...but not like Beitar. Beitar can pick up some steam......

look at Maccabi Haifa's future games..they got a lot of games to play vs. the top teams... if they dont do well, they may lose points too...or on the contrary...get Beitar up there if the top teams lose crucial points
Bnei Yehuda are on top because they are working hard and are keeping themselves humble.

I am liking Maccabi Tel Aviv this season. Depsite some flops, like you say, they are playing good football and are on the right direction. They are investing a lot on the youth system, Israelvich is having a good season, Strauber is currently the best keeper in Israel and Iliev is a really good player. They will certainly fight for an European spot this season.

IMO, Beitar is more unstable than Maccabi this season.
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Maccabi Tel Aviv in Europa I like that

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Maccabi Tel Aviv in Europa I like that
Hope you are right!
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So if Hapoel TA, Maccabi Haifa and Maccabi Tel Aviv gets European spots? Beitar can fight with Bney Yehuda for an INter toto spot or would another UEFA cup be open?

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So if Hapoel TA, Maccabi Haifa and Maccabi Tel Aviv gets European spots? Beitar can fight with Bney Yehuda for an INter toto spot or would another UEFA cup be open?
Intertoto doesn`t exist anymore.

We currently have for Israel, the first place in CL and the second, third placed in the league plus the State Cup winner in the Europa League.

In case the State Cup final is played between by two teams that have already guaranteed European spots via league, then the fourth place would be the next in line to receive the honours to play in Europe. Capisce?
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So if Hapoel TA, Maccabi Haifa and Maccabi Tel Aviv gets European spots? Beitar can fight with Bney Yehuda for an INter toto spot or would another UEFA cup be open?
Israel has 1 champions league spot(It goes to the winner of the league obviously) and 3 Europa league spots( Goes to the runner up, third place and State cup winner, if the state cup winner is in top 3 though, it goes to runner up.) and I don't think there will be another Intertoto, it was useless cup and I hope it never gets revived.

Of course, if our league ranking improves to at least the top 15 then we get 2 Cl and 3 EL places.

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We are 19th right now.
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so basically top 4 goes to Europe and Intertoto gets cancelled...

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Guma Aguiar now legally owns Beitar Jerusalem. That should bring more stability to the club.
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Guma Aguiar now legally owns Beitar Jerusalem. That should bring more stability to the club.
For Beitar it is great news indeed. They really need this stability in order to dream about Europe next season.
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This is good news for any beitar fan. I think this year it was difficult with the transition. Now that its done many players can rest assured about the clubs history. So in that being said, its time to work on getting some points after January and getting into 2nd hopefully..

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My dreams: One day, I want to open new teams in Israel:

Tel Aviv Troops
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Beitar Haifa
Beitar Ashdod
Beitar Modiin
Maccabi Modiin
Beitar Eilat
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Beitar Safed
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And then we will make Israeli Preimer League more awesome, exciting and etc lol.
More teams to Europe games.

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Few of these teams are already in existance...

Beitar Haifa...
Beitar Tel Aviv....

Maccabi Modiin

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