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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old October 6th, 2009, 23:37 Thread Starter
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The UEFA president in Israel

UEFA President Michel Platini has visited the Israel Football Association for talks with the association's president Avraham Luzon, who is also a member of the UEFA Executive Committee. Discussions between the two centered on the development of football in Israel.

Promoting positive values
During his visit, Mr Platini also held talks with the President of Israel, Shimon Peres. Mr Platini expressed the view that football promotes positive values such as peace, tolerance and friendship. At the meeting in Jerusalem, Mr Peres and Mr Platini discussed ways in which football can bring communities together and help heal conflicts. In December 2006, the two men were instrumental in bringing together a team of Israeli and Palestinian players for a special Peace Match against a team from Andalusia, Spain.




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Always nice to see high level officials coming to Israel for a visit like Platini, who is not stranger in our state.

Some things that came from this meeting is 2 things:

- Platinis Peace plans:
does he think that making peace would bring reconciliation to the middle east or would it mean that he welcomes/encourages Israel to play in AFC?

-Media exposure/future tournaments:
Did he bring up any recommendation for Israel to host a youth tournament for UEFA? or possibly a CL/UEFA cup final tournament? Israel is long due to get one..

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The main point of Platini´s visit is that if he personally came here it means that no other NT or club has an excuse for not playing in Israel
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Yea.....that too....
I think that it is important to understand that moving the game to a neutral venue is unacceptable and we should welcome friendlies and not play left over teams.

Im hoping for some good games after our campaign is done.

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Always nice to see high level officials coming to Israel for a visit like Platini, who is not stranger in our state.

Some things that came from this meeting is 2 things:

- Platinis Peace plans:
does he think that making peace would bring reconciliation to the middle east or would it mean that he welcomes/encourages Israel to play in AFC?

-Media exposure/future tournaments:
Did he bring up any recommendation for Israel to host a youth tournament for UEFA? or possibly a CL/UEFA cup final tournament? Israel is long due to get one..
I think any sane person would prefer the Middle East to live in peace, for the good of the people for than for anything else. Weither a nation then plays its sports games in European or Asian decor, is in fact a very irrelevant tiny aspect of the whole thing. Peace for everybody turns football into a totally unimportant silly game, so I doubt that Platini even one second questioned weither Israel should be a UEFA or AFC member.

Also, it seems from all resources that the hosting of tournaments was not on the agenda of his visit, but this is probably something that won´t depend on Platini alone anyway. The moment the IFA has the proper infrastructure and manages to convince the other UEFA members of it, Israel will be hosting a tournament regardless of Platini´s personal opinion.
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Well, israel did apply to host the 2011 under 21's, but Denmark won it.
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hahah we won't host anything after the dumbass beitar fans ruined everything...

in case non of you heard in the middle of the conference as plantini was speaking 3 beitar fans decided to get up and chant beitar slogans, and ofcourse also tell luzon that he needs to die....once again beitar fans know exactly when to screw it up for the rest of us...do you actually think we'll host anything? Btw no security staff stopped them...and now you know why israel isn't remotely close to being european let aside host a european tournament.
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hahah we won't host anything after the dumbass beitar fans ruined everything...

in case non of you heard in the middle of the conference as plantini was speaking 3 beitar fans decided to get up and chant beitar slogans, and ofcourse also tell luzon that he needs to die....once again beitar fans know exactly when to screw it up for the rest of us...do you actually think we'll host anything? Btw no security staff stopped them...and now you know why israel isn't remotely close to being european let aside host a european tournament.
Least those beitar fans had the courage to stand up to a corrupted FA....

I never seen anyone enjoy being underachieved and then blaming it on a few.

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a) there may have been a better way or occasion to out the discomfort with the IFA board

b) to wish someone dead shows a lack of ability to see football in its real perspective: being just a game

Anyways, Platini is smart enough to ignore such things, I´m sure he hears some horrible things in any country he visits as hooliganism is unfortunately a universal thing.

Although I know Palestine is in AFC and thus out of Platini´s catchment area, I find it a pity he didn´t visit the West Bank. I mean, if a message of co-existance and peace was one of the purposes, then a dual visit would have been the strongest possible message to the outside world. I´m sure the Palestinian FA would have loved to host Platini, even when he is leading the confederation of a different continent than their own.
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Least those beitar fans had the courage to stand up to a corrupted FA....

I never seen anyone enjoy being underachieved and then blaming it on a few.
courage? there is a way to do everything...that was not the right way, and not a respectable way. Instead it just hurt the image of football in our country.
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Even if Beitar fans have some point in their arguments they can´t behave like that.

But they don´t represent all Beitar fans, they are only a section of it. It was on purpose because they dislike Luzon deeply and messing with the Uefa president is a way in calling attention and sending a message to Luzon.
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Everything beitar does, no one likes...so why not add fuel to the fire?

If you guys enjoy the level of football that someone like luzon imagines but never puts on paper, then defend him. I'm not saying death to luzon was necessary, but still...take some courage and say enough to the corrupt FA under luzon...

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Israel could host a European-level soccer tournament in the near future, UEFA President Michel Platini said yesterday during a visit to Jerusalem. The former France captain said the main obstacle to a UEFA event being held in Israel was the quality of local stadiums, along with security concerns.

"If there will be better stadiums, you will definitely be able to host tournaments in the next few years, Platini told reporters at a news conference with Israel Football Association chairman Avi Luzon.

Israel, which has been a member of UEFA since 1994, has hosted a European tournament once - the UEFA Under-17 championships in 2000. Israeli teams have begun to advance in European club competitions in recent years, with Maccabi Haifa making its second appearance in the Champions League this season.

"There has been an improvement in Israeli soccer, and many Israelis are doing well in Europe," Platini noted.

Security concerns could be an issue, however, as in 2002 and 2006, when Israeli teams including Maccabi Haifa were forced to play their home games abroad due to military conflagrations at home.

Appearing with President Shimon Peres, Platini said he believes soccer can play a role in bringing about peace in the Middle East. Peres, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 and an avid sports fan, conversed with his guest about how soccer can be a bridge for communities around the world. Platini recalled a 2006 meeting with the president in Seville, Spain, where the two men helped put together a team of Israeli and Palestinian players for an exhibition match against a Spanish club.

Peres told the UEFA chief, "It's good to see you in Israel - I welcome you on your arrival. Here, soccer is an important part of our lives, not just the game, but also the fact that it connects people, and can even help us move toward peace."

At one point during the press conference, a group of youths including an Israel Defense Forces soldier jumped onto the podium and attempted to drape a Beitar Jerusalem scarf around Platini, who was was caught off-guard, but quickly regained composure and resumed speaking.

Meanwhile, Hapoel Tel Aviv received a fax yesterday from UEFA headquarters saying it would be subject to a disciplinary hearing over a fan's hurling a smoke grenade during its Europa League loss at Hamburg last week. If found responsible, Hapoel could face a fine of several thousand euros.

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Knowing Platini has been on the other side of the fence (the fan/player side) I´m sure he´d happily have talked to those Beitar fans and accepted the scarf without hesitation if they did it like all others would do: wait until the conference is over, then go over to the stage and have a chat. During a concert you also don´t jump on stage in the middle of the song, if you insist on greeting the band you wait until the gig is over and then run over to them.

But I doubt this made any impact. And neither the military thing since it´s been relatively quiet in Israel now. The stadiums seem the big obstacle for a tournament.

That said: Teddy and Bloomfield are definitely good enough for for example an U21 tournament, Ramat Gan is good enough for ANY tournament, ... If Haifa gets their new stadium as scheduled, that makes 4 quality stadiums, should be enough to host a tournament I think, some countries hosted youth tournaments with only 2 or 3 stadiums used. So why does anyone act like Israeli stadiums are a disaster? Israel has at least 3 and potentially 4 or 5 (if planned new stadiums go ahead) stadiums that are worthy of hosting international games, so in what way would Israeli stadiums be any less than for example stadiums in Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Czech Republic, ... ? Let´s not dramatise. Only for a World Cup or Euro Cup you need a 7 or 8 stadiums with capacity 40000+, for a youth tournament 3 or 4 grounds is enough for sure. Northern Ireland hosted the U19 tournament (or was it U21?) in 2005 when I lived there, they used 4 grounds of which one had a capacity less than 5000 (I attended France-Armenia there, the stadium would not even be good enough for the average Israeli premier division team but was still approved for that UEFA youth tournament)

Add to that, Israeli stadiums are colourful and quite unique compared to those average European stadiums that all look so similar
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No one will come to U21 tournaments. Not in large numbers ofcouse. I recall a tournament they did in Canada. It had a lot of people coming, but in the end, it wasnt anything too big....

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In Northern Ireland when I lived there, I attended two games, being one group game and the final. The final was attended by a 1500 or so, while the group game had a crowd of less than 500 of which 10 were some christian organisation coming only to donate Bibles to the Armenian team of whom I doubt they really watched the actual game.

Israel´s stadiums are more than enough for hosting a decent youth tournament. Northern Irish stadiums are crap compared to the Israeli ones, and they were still given the tournament. We should stop dramatising the stadium situation. Ramat Gan, Bloomfield and Teddy are just fine, and if the new stadiums in Haifa and Netanya go ahead that makes 5 stadiums worth hosting international games.

PS would hosting the European Women Championships not be an option? This actually gets more spectators usually than a youth tournament, and really, the better teams in Europe are good and are fully professional (the national teams of England, Norway, Sweden and Germany for example are all girls that are professionals and they may not be as fast as men but have equally good technical skills). This may be something Israel could consider? Finland hosted it this year and I cannot believe their stadiums are better than those in Israel ... The tournament also had good media coverage, so it could bring Israel in the news positively and be a stepping stone for hosting more tournaments (the "hey look, Israel hosted that tournament and they did great!" sorta feeling that other UEFA members would have)
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