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Source: Patriots filmed Rams before SuperBowl

Cheating scumbags. Thank God congress is involved, Patriots are about to go down the same road as Bonds and the rest of the cheaters.

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PHOENIX - One night before the Patriots [team stats] face the Giants in Super Bowl XLII, new allegations have emerged about a Patriots employee taping the Rams’ final walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI.

According to a source, a member of the team’s video department filmed the Rams’ final walkthrough before that 2002 game. The next day, the Patriots upset St. Louis, 20-17, on a last-second field goal by Adam Vinatieri for their first championship.

A walkthrough involves practicing plays at reduced speed without contact or pads. It is common for teams to film their own walkthroughs and practices. When contacted last night, Patriots vice president of media relations Stacey James said: “The coaches have no knowledge of it.”

Yesterday, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) stated that he plans to summon NFL commissioner Roger Goodell before Congress to explain why he destroyed tapes that showed the Patriots stealing defensive signals over the last two years.

After his state of the NFL press conference yesterday, Goodell was asked if the league’s investigation into the Pats included allegations that they recorded the Rams walkthrough in 2002.

“I’m not aware of that,” Goodell said.

“We have no information on that,” seconded NFL spokesman Greg Aiello.

According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here’s what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots’ Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.

After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team’s video staff stayed behind after attending the team’s walkthrough and filmed St. Louis’ walkthrough.

At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said.

It’s not known what the cameraman did with the tape from there. It’s also not known if he made the recording on his own initiative or if he was instructed to make the recording by someone with the Patriots or anyone else.

The next day, the Patriots opened a 14-3 halftime lead on the Rams, who were 14-point favorites and operators of an offense known as “The Greatest Show on Turf.”

The Rams didn’t begin moving the ball until the fourth quarter, when their 14-point rally pulled the teams into a 17-17 tie with less than two minutes remaining. Tom Brady [stats] then led the most famous drive in Patriots history for the winning field goal.

The Patriots were fined $750,000 and docked a first-round draft pick for breaking league policy and filming the Jets’ defensive signals from the sideline in September.

Asked yesterday if he believed the Pats used similar films to achieve their three Super Bowl victories, Goodell was adamant.

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What a joke. Everyone in the US knows now that Bellichik is a ****nig cheat.

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Goodell's going to get his ass handed to him by congress for destroying the spygate tapes.

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Hahahahahaha I posted 2 days ago the fact that a Senator is asking his peers to come down on the NFL Commish .... HARD !!!!!!!!

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if anything this is not the time to spread this news, this will only make the Pats angrier and they will come out full force Remember after spygate they started blowing out teams with ease and running up the score
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The time is when YOU FIND OUT things like this .... It may be too bad about the timing and the SUPERBOWL ...But he Mothers will be FINALLY PUNISHED !!!!


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Giants need to win this game for the people! The media and the NFL are on New England's side, the people are with the Giants!

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Goodell's hand may be forced with Spygate

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
February 1, 2008


PHOENIX – Commissioner Roger Goodell continued his role as the NFL's great communicator and great innovator on Friday. But the issue left lingering from his second State of the NFL address – a 46-minute talk with the media (not including another 30 minutes he spent beforehand with members of the Pro Football Writers of America) – is whether he will someday be forced back into a role as the great investigator.

Two days before the kickoff to Super Bowl XLII, Goodell was peppered with continuing questions about Spygate, the infamous moment when the football-loving world found out that the New England Patriots had cheated by videotaping opponents giving defensive signal in the season opener against the New York Jets.

That issue overwhelmed other interesting topics, such as Goodell's discussion about possibly changing the playoff seeding structure (wild-card teams with better records than division winners could host playoff games so that late-season contests would remain meaningful) or pushing for HGH testing. Of 22 questions Goodell answered, seven had some direct relationship to "Spygate" with an eighth referencing it.

It all left New England owner Bob Kraft, who attended the press conference, a little uncomfortable.

"I have no comment about any of that," Kraft said.

Even though the incident was discovered before the Patriots had even won a game en route to an 18-0 marking heading in the Super Bowl and the fact that Goodell said he doesn't think Spygate will taint what the Patriots have accomplished, the issue will not die. On Friday, Pennsylvania senator Arlen Specter told the New York Times that he wanted to speak with Goodell about why evidence from the investigation of the Patriots was destroyed.

While Specter's banter might be discounted as political grandstanding with no resolution in store (the tapes are gone, after all), there was potentially more ominous information implied by The Times article. The newspaper spoke with Matt Walsh, a former Patriots employee who worked in the video department. Walsh, an employee of the team until at least January 2002, suggested that he knew damaging information about New England.

"After speaking to my lawyers and whatnot, I can't really talk to you about anything," Walsh told The Times upon being contacted in Hawaii, where he lives and works. "And I can't show you anything. If someone wanted me to talk and tell them things, I would craft an agreement where they would agree from now until the end of my existence to pay for any legal fees that came up in regards to this, whether I'm sued by the Patriots, the [NFL], anybody else.

"If I ever got brought in for a deposition or something, then I would just face the whole gauntlet of questions. There would be things I'd be forced to answer that some people haven't taken responsibility for," Walsh said.

While those statements say nothing of substance, they may be the kind of thing that Goodell and the league need to check out, particularly given Spector's strong interest and fan concern about the integrity of the game.

In short, the debate about whether the Patriots are cheaters will not go away. In part, because the tapes were destroyed (an unfortunate reaction to the Jets-Patriots tape being shown by FOX and Kraft getting angry because of that). Now, with Walsh's innuendo hanging out there, one wonders how Goodell and the league might react. Walsh told the Times that he had been contacted by two other media organizations before he spoke with them.

Essentially, Goodell is in a place precariously similar to what Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig faced as the steroid era exploded into national prominence. Selig chose a painful course by having George Mitchell, a former senator, do an investigation. The Mitchell Report has caused all sorts of negative headlines, although Selig has been resolute in saying it was necessary to clean up the game long term.

For Goodell, the question is whether it's worth the potential pain to find out if one of the greatest dynasties in the history of the game is on the up and up. In the 1990s, the San Francisco 49ers were found guilty of circumventing the salary cap, although that controversy left only a blemish on the five-time champion. However, the situation with the Patriots is because it revolves around events on the field.

In addition to the incident with the Jets, the league confiscated tapes in which the Patriots had recorded opponents late in the 2006 season and extending through the 2007 preseason. There was further evidence of more taping being done and Goodell said Friday that the practice was so well-known around the league that in one instance, an opposing coach who was giving signals sarcastically waved at the camera that was videotaping him.

All of that begs the question about why defensive signals aren't sent into the huddle by some device similar to the coach-to-quarterback radio system.

Of greater significance, the suspicions of cheating extend beyond videotaping. There are those who believe that the Patriots have interfered with the coach-to-quarterback radio of opposing teams and have manipulated their own radio system to give quarterback Tom Brady more information.

As the steward of America's biggest game, lots of people are expecting Goodell to find out. Through his year-and-a-half service in office, Goodell has shown great courage in quickly taking on player conduct to clean up the image of the league. He has also made other innovative moves (the first NFL regular season game in Europe was played in October) to help spur growth of the league.

In many ways, he has already carved out a stronger profile than predecessor Paul Tagliabue, whose failure to deal with player conduct allowed the issue to fester until it became a huge problem.

Now, Goodell faces the lingering questions about the Patriots. How he chooses to move forward will be fascinating.

Sadly, that will be the case regardless of what happens on Sunday.


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Why in f**kin hell is Congress getting involved with this. If this doesn't prove that they have nothing better to do you'll never be convinced.



Also has anyone thought of this logically. Half the teams don't even use hand signals anymore. On offense nobody uses hand signals anymore. I mean they get plays called through their headsets in there helmets? Even on defense the MLB usually has a headset.



Also people complaining about the Pariots are simply people who are jealous of them. Every sports fan in the world wish there organization was run like there's. They have clear goals and ojectives and follow through with them. There lockeroom is probably filled with the most leadership anywhere in the league. Brady, Bruschi, Seymour, Vrabel, Wolfork, Harrison. Add on that they have a coach that is so respected not one player ever crosses his path. In an age of the me athletes this group actually acts like at eam.

I mean guys like Moss, Dillon and Merriweather have come into this organization and thrived and stayed out of trouble. While we all know for a fact in a different environment they would fail.

Could you imagine Moss in the zoo they call the NY Giantsp Or at the Bengals!

Also has anyone ever heard the Patriots talk after they play any game. All they talk about is what they didn't do well. I mean I remember when earlier in the season when they beat the Chargers by like 30 pts. they complained that they gave up too many plays to Antonio Gates. Thats the type of focus they and the type of character that i wish my teams had.

This is a historic team and quite frankly all this talk of them cheating is just going to make them mad!

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Patriots= lifeless team with no charisma, just the flavor of the month.

They've been the joke of the NFL for 90% of their existence.

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Flavor of the month they already won 3 superbowls in the last 6 years going for a 4th tommorrow
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Why in f**kin hell is Congress getting involved with this. If this doesn't prove that they have nothing better to do you'll never be convinced.

Nope Sir...they HAVE plenty to do and INVESTIGATING the NFL incidents BECAUSE of their ANTI_TRUST Laws is also part of their job...If the Commish cant handle it or looks the other way...(And that seems to be what's going on right now) the GOVERNMENT is forced to get into the matter..

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When I wake up...the Cheatting Mothers should be heading to a Federal Penitenciary somewhere...Maybe they're lucky and they get to go accompany Vicks !!! :dielaugh:

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"NFL officials saw spy at NE practice before SB 36
Cold, Hard Football Facts for February 3, 2008

It’s a historic day in the NFL, with the surprising Giants ready to battle the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl XLII.

But “SpyGate” has resurfaced in full fury over the past 48 hours and will only suck up moisture from the warm waters of hackery over the next few weeks, especially if the Patriots – despised by millions – fulfill their quest to become the first ever 19-0 team tonight. Congress itself may even launch an investigation.

But one element of the story remains strangely empty from the discussion. On Feb. 2, 2002, on the eve of New England’s Super Bowl XXXVI meeting with St. Louis, the New York Times reported that somebody was seen spying on Patriots practice.

The most interesting aspect of the story? League officials themselves witnessed the event, at least according to the report filed by Judy Battista.


(You can read the report here. It was first brought to our attention by Cold, Hard Football Facts Forum member GodInAGreyHoodie. As the name indicates, this is clearly a guy with an agenda. But the Times report is legitimate to our knowledge.)

Battista identified the source as a pool report, but we don’t have access to that original item. But, as a pool report, it was probably published in countless newspapers and wire services around the country (if anyone has it, email it to us here).

The key item from the story

“Club and league officials (our emphasis) said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.”

The story is interesting on a day in which the losing quarterback in Super Bowl XXXVI, Kurt Warner, has angrily decried the rumor that the Patriots filmed Rams walk-through before the game.

He has a right to be angry.

But any legitimate news source needs to look at the accusation on both sides. At least if these sources are something more than rag peddlers of pigskin conspiracies.

As far as we know, the NFL itself did not report any spies at Rams practice before Super Bowl XXXVI. That rumor, which may yet prove true, came from other sources. But the NFL did report a possible spy at Patriots practice before Super Bowl XXXVI.

We’re not holding our breath though, folks, expect equal treatment of these stories in the media. And we’re sure as hell not expecting the NFL to demand evidence from the Rams organization and levy huge fines against the organization if they were in fact cheating, as league officials seemed to indicate.

What we’re are expecting is a media hurricane that breaches the levies of hackery and floods the airwaves with our mortal enemies, opinion and rumor.

The Patriots deserve to be investigated and punished if they were caught breaking the rules. But we'll know "SpyGate" is a witch hunt if the media ignores the eyewitness accounts from no less a source than NFL officials themselves."


Looks like there WAS spying, but not the Pats made it, but was made on the Pats. Interesting turn, isn't it?
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Nope Sir...they HAVE plenty to do and INVESTIGATING the NFL incidents BECAUSE of their ANTI_TRUST Laws is also part of their job...If the Commish cant handle it or looks the other way...(And that seems to be what's going on right now) the GOVERNMENT is forced to get into the matter..

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We are in the middle of a war, we have a subprime mess going, imigration, we have about a billion problems which our federal government could deal with but they want to talk about spygate:rollani:


Specter, Kennedy and the rest of the idiots just wan to get there ugly kissers on camera for America to see. That's why they care:rollani:
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