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NFL Week # 14

Week 14

Thursday, December 06 Time (EST) Network
CHI @ WAS 8:00 PM Tickets NFL NETWK

Sunday, December 09 Time (EST)

MIA @ BUF 1:00 PM CBS
STL @ CIN 1:00 PM FOX
DAL @ DET 1:00 PM FOX
OAK @ GB 1:00 PM CBS
TB @ HOU 1:00 PM FOX
SD @ TEN 1:00 PM CBS
NYG @ PHI 1:00 PM FOX
ARI @ SEA 4:05 PM FOX
MIN @ SF 4:05 PM FOX
PIT @ NE 4:15 PM CBS
KC @ DEN 4:15 PM CBS
CLE @ NYJ 4:15 PM CBS
IND @ BAL 8:15 PM NBC

Monday, December 10 Time (EST)
NO @ ATL 8:30 PM ESPN

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Bucs in Houston ???? We're there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Steelers....go and destroy the Patsys...They're RIPE for a royal whipping now !!!! :dielaugh:

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another game where the Giants need to take care of business, a win would basicaly guarantee a wild card in the playoffs but a loss would certainly make things interesting, though the Giants have been playing very well on the road this season
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Patriots getting some breaks, making others in their quest for a perfect season

By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer
December 4, 2007

BOSTON (AP) -- Being perfect in the NFL apparently takes a break or two. Or four.

On Monday night, the New England Patriots survived three apparent fourth-down stops by Baltimore on their final scoring drive. The Patriots went on to score the winning touchdown and edge the Ravens, 27-24. In the end, a coaching mistake and penalty against the Ravens, the Patriots' own penalty and a lucky bounce combined to keep New England (12-0) unbeaten.

"You need luck sometimes," said Patriots receiver Jabar Gaffney, who caught the decisive 8-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Tom Brady.

The Ravens, who complained loudly about the officiating, also found some time to blame fate.

"We got bad luck," defensive lineman Kelly Gregg said. "If we didn't have bad luck, we wouldn't have any luck at all. We need to see a gypsy or something."

Patriots linebacker Adalius Thomas conceded, "I felt like in crucial situations, things did go our way.

"I'd rather have the 30-point blowout -- give me that any time," Thomas added. "But give me a win."

The final drive wasn't the only time New England benefited from a quick change of fortune.

In the final minute of the first half Brady was intercepted by Pro Bowl safety Ed Reed. But Patriots running back Kevin Faulk stripped the ball from Reed after he'd returned it into field-goal range at the New England 27. The play allowed the Patriots to preserve a 10-10 tie at the half.

That was nothing compared to the swings in the final minutes.

First and most inexplicable was a timeout by the Ravens coaches on 4th-and-1 at the Baltimore 30 that erased a stop on a Brady sneak.

"Timeout -- I don't where the timeout came from," Baltimore cornerback Chris McAlister said.

Baltimore stopped fullback Heath Evans and the Patriots again, but a false start penalty on the Patriots killed the play, and New England kept the drive going on a Brady scramble.

On 2nd-and-5 from the 13, a Brady pass was batted straight up in the air, perfect for picking off. But the ball dropped between several defenders before they could react. On the ensuing fourth-down play, Brady threw incomplete to the end zone, but a holding penalty gave the Patriots a first down.

Brady ended the agony by hitting Gaffney in the corner of the end zone on a catch that instant replay upheld, though the Ravens said he juggled it.

After the game, McAlister was in no mood to give the Patriots credit.

"It's hard to go out there and play the Patriots and the refs at the same time," he said. "They put the crown on top of them, they want them to win. They won."

But Patriots defensive lineman Vince Wilfork said the Patriots made plays when they needed to. He said it reflected the character the team's showed in the last month in close wins over Indianapolis and Philadelphia.

"We fight through adversity," Wilfork said. "We're a team and a unit. Everybody's seen it for three straight weeks. Whatever you throw at us, we bounce back from it."

New England wouldn't have been in position to take advantage of the breaks if it hadn't made several key defensive stops in the fourth quarter.

Safety James Sanders intercepted a poor throw by Baltimore quarterback Kyle Boller after a 33-yard punt return by Yamon Figurs put Baltimore in field-goal range. After that, Baltimore didn't manage a first down in their next two possessions before the Patriots' final drive.

"People are getting spoiled seeing us blow out people, but it's not going to happen like that every time and you've got to understand that," Wilfork said.

The Patriots have a tough matchup Sunday against Pittsburgh (9-3), then face the struggling New York Jets and winless Miami Dolphins before finishing against the 8-4 New York Giants.

Wilfork said it's time for the Patriots to step it up, though they still haven't lost.

"We might not have been playing our best football, but we've been winning," he said. "That's all that matters -- winning."

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another game where the Giants need to take care of business, a win would basicaly guarantee a wild card in the playoffs but a loss would certainly make things interesting, though the Giants have been playing very well on the road this season
The Giants are already in... and if you look at the rest of the schedule i think the last Wild Card spot will probably be a team with an under .500 record.
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The Giants are already in... and if you look at the rest of the schedule i think the last Wild Card spot will probably be a team with an under .500 record.
I don't think so. Vikings remaining schedule :

@ 49 ers

Bears

Skins

@ Broncos

They'll be over . 500 for sure.
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Patriots 'just' 13-point favorites over Steelers after two close games

By DAVE GOLDBERG, AP Football Writer
December 5, 2007

For most of this season, the oddsmakers couldn't make the spread on New England games large enough to cover everyone who assumed the Patriots would run up the score.

After two straight 3-point victories, the odds are back down, at least relatively. Following a couple of 20-plus spreads, the Patriots are favored by "just" 13 points when Pittsburgh comes to Foxborough Sunday.


The Steelers, who lead the AFC North at 9-3, are clearly the best team the Patriots have played since coming back from a 10-point fourth-quarter deficit to beat Indianapolis on Nov. 4. New England could only beat Philadelphia (5-7) 31-28 at home and its 27-24 win in Baltimore handed the Ravens their sixth straight loss.

That the Patriots are no longer dominant shouldn't be a surprise.

Every team goes through a down period in a league where parity is legislated. Still, they are almost at one of their major goals: home-field advantage in the AFC. Pittsburgh, which is two games and a tiebreaker ahead of Cleveland in its division, is a game behind Indianapolis for a first-round playoff bye.

The last two games have demonstrated the Patriots' efficient offense is vulnerable to hard hitting and to bad weather. High winds in Baltimore certainly limited Tom Brady's efficiency.

So the home field might not mean as much, especially against the Steelers, who run a lot more than the Patriots these days.

"It's all about being physical with those guys," Steelers safety Tyrone Carter says. "Philly was hitting them in the mouth. You see they got 'gator arms' at the end as well, so we've got to do the same thing."

On the other hand, all three of Pittsburgh's losses are on the road: to Arizona, Denver and the Jets.

Given two weeks of problems, this is a week when Bill Belichick will hammer the Patriots' swagger back into them.

PATRIOTS, 30-13.



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Despite struggles, Redskins, Bears consider themselves playoff contenders

By HOWARD FENDRICH, AP Sports Writer
December 5, 2007


LANDOVER, Md. (AP) -- A season removed from the Super Bowl, the Chicago Bears are mastering the art of inconsistency.

Their results so far? They opened this way: loss, win, loss. Then, after a second consecutive loss in Week 4, the Bears have put together this string over the past nine games: win, loss, win, loss, win, loss, win, loss.

The Washington Redskins, meanwhile, have been far more consistent of late: loss, loss, loss, loss.

It's a testament to the parity -- or, frankly, the mediocrity -- of the NFC that both of these struggling teams consider themselves part of the playoff race going into their head-to-head meeting Thursday night.

"We need to get this one. We know it's important for them, too. Both teams are going to be tired from Sunday's game, so the team that wants it the most is going to get it," Washington defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "We know our back's against the wall, just like theirs."

At least the Bears and Redskins also seem to appreciate why they haven't been eliminated from contention yet. As Washington center Casey Rabach put it: "Thank God, the rest of the league has kind of been helping us along here."

That's for sure.

Amazingly, even at 5-7, Chicago and Washington are only one game behind the three teams tied for the conference's final playoff berth: Arizona, Detroit and Minnesota.

So that means there's still a chance of playing into January, no matter how slight. And that, in turn, means players on both teams are talking about Thursday's contest as "an elimination game."

"It's all-or-nothing," Redskins fullback Mike Sellers said. "I need vacation money; the playoffs are the extra money you depend on. And I'm trying to get that ring just like everybody else."

Uh, sure Mike.

Tight as the turnaround from Sunday is for this game, Sellers and the rest of the Redskins sounded pleased to be thinking and talking about football. They're coming off as difficult a week as possible, following the shooting death of teammate Sean Taylor during a burglary at his house in Florida.

What would have been a shortened work week anyway became even more so for Washington because the entire organization traveled to Miami for the Pro Bowl safety's funeral Monday, returning to Redskins Park at about 6:30 p.m. that night.

The team let players sleep in Tuesday, then went through an extended walkthrough instead of a full practice. Add in the limited day-before-game work Wednesday, and coach Joe Gibbs couldn't recall going into a contest with less preparation.

"We've gone through some extremely tough times together, this group has, and the last week really has been tough for everybody," Gibbs said. "It was uncharted ground for me, for sure."

He shouldered the blame for Sunday's 17-16 loss to the Buffalo Bills, who scored the go-ahead points on a field goal with 4 seconds left after Gibbs drew a 15-yard penalty for calling consecutive timeouts to freeze the kicker.

"It's just like the players. You hold them accountable," Gibbs said. "You hold yourself accountable, too."

When it comes to figuring out what's wrong with the Bears, many point a finger at quarterback Rex Grossman, who has thrown for four touchdowns and seven interceptions this season. But there have been plenty of other problems, including too many turnovers (28, tied for the most in the conference), too few yards gained on the ground (an NFC-worst 83.8 yards rushing per game), and a defense that's been uncharacteristically uneven.

Add it all up, and that NFC championship seems a distant memory.

"Definitely, we're disappointed where we are at this stage of the season," Bears coach Lovie Smith said. "But we're just thankful we can say ... we have a lot of football left to go."

The Redskins were far less successful than the Bears last season, going 5-11, and now could wind up missing the playoffs for the third time in four years since Gibbs came out of retirement.

After an emotionally draining week capped by a disappointing loss Sunday in a game the Redskins led by 11 points and wanted to win in Taylor's honor, players and coaches say their attention is squarely on the Bears.

"You don't know which side of the meter they're going to be on," Chicago defensive end Adewale Ogunleye said. "I know they want to win badly for their teammate. They want to win badly because they still want to try to salvage their season, too."



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By HOWARD FENDRICH, AP Sports Writer
December 7, 2007


LANDOVER, Md. (AP) -- Todd Collins kept waiting for another chance to play in the NFL. And waiting ... and waiting ... and waiting.

Forget about the five years without throwing for a touchdown. How about the three years without so much as attempting a pass of any sort?

Collins finally was called upon Thursday night by the weary Washington Redskins, and the perennial understudy performed brilliantly. Replacing injured starter Jason Campbell, Collins tossed two TDs to lead Washington over the fading Chicago Bears 24-16, ending the Redskins' four-game losing streak.

Making it even more special for Collins and the rest of the Redskins was the context of this win, coming as it did 1 1/2 weeks after the shooting death of safety Sean Taylor, and only three days after his burial.

"We've been through a lot. We really didn't have any practice time this week, dealing with the death of a teammate and a funeral," said Collins, 15-for-20 for 224 yards and his first two TD throws since 2002, when he played for Kansas City.

Said Redskins coach Joe Gibbs: "It seems like it's been forever since we won a game. This team's overcome so much. ... It's been an emotional roller coaster for us."

While the Redskins (6-7) consider themselves very much in the playoff chase in the so-so NFC, the Bears (5-8) were ready to concede they've followed up a trip to the Super Bowl with a dud of a season.

"It's pretty much over now," defensive end Alex Brown said.

Campbell departed in the second quarter with a dislocated left kneecap a few plays after hurting his throwing elbow, and Chicago quarterback Rex Grossman never returned from a left knee injury on his second drive.

Campbell will have an MRI exam Friday, and the Redskins said they would wait for those results before offering any prognosis.

Asked whether Grossman will play again this season, coach Lovie Smith said, "Don't know enough about it. You know, it didn't look good."

Grossman's replacement, Brian Griese, threw interceptions on consecutive passes in the second quarter, both picked off by Shawn Springs. The cornerback returned the first 53 yards, setting up Collins' 21-yard touchdown pass to another backup, tight end Todd Yoder, to put Washington ahead 7-0.

"I don't know that I've ever had a better performance coming off the bench. Ever," Gibbs said.

Griese was 21-for-45 for 295 yards and one TD, but also raised his interception total to 12 in seven appearances this season.

Both teams had a short turnaround from games Sunday, but the Redskins' preparation was even more limited. The entire organization traveled to Florida for the funeral of Taylor, who died after being shot last week.

Coincidentally, tickets for this game, printed months ago, featured a picture of Taylor.

"We got closure on Monday, and that's one of the things that helped us," defensive end Phillip Daniels said. "To get closure and move forward, that was big for us, for this team."

One sign of moving forward: The makeshift memorial to Taylor, set up on a patch of grass outside the stadium where his number 21 was painted, is gone. Fans dropped off flowers, candles, teddy bears, homemade signs and other tokens before Sunday's game, but nothing remained in that spot Thursday, other than some piles of snow.

The temperature was 26 degrees at kickoff, and perhaps a combination of the cold and the lack of regular rest contributed to all of the injuries. Among them: Daniels (sprained knee), running back Clinton Portis (stomach illness and bruised hand), right guard Randy Thomas (elbow) and cornerback Fred Smoot (cramps) of Washington, and defensive tackle Antonio Garay (ankle) of Chicago.

Also, Redskins tight end Chris Cooley limped off to the locker room with a bruised shin but was able to return. Portis made it back, too, but was limited to 36 yards rushing on 17 carries.

There were plenty of blunders on both sides: turnovers, missed field-goal attempts, penalties. Lots of penalties, 10 in the third quarter alone.

The trouble for Campbell began when he was hit on his throwing arm by Brandon McGowan at the end of a scramble. Campbell left for one play, allowing Collins to record his first NFL completion in three years, a 5-yarder to Reche Caldwell.

Campbell returned on Washington's next possession, but lasted three plays before hurting his knee and being driven off the field on a cart. Then, right before halftime, Springs' interception set up Collins-to-Yoder -- hardly a combination the Redskins would have imagined.

After all, Yoder hadn't caught a TD this season or any pass at all over the previous five games. And the 36-year-old Collins? He had a grand total of one touchdown toss over the past decade.

"I've been preparing ... for literally hundreds of games," Collins said. "This was really the first time I was able to go in and get to play in a situation that really mattered."




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Steelers eager for chance at handing Patriots first defeat

By DAVE GOLDBERG, AP Football Writer
December 7, 2007

The Pittsburgh Steelers have been anything but stellar on the road this season, losing away from Heinz Field to the Cardinals, Broncos and Jets.

Traveling to Foxborough to play the unbeaten Patriots?

Doesn't faze them.

"This isn't Appalachian State against Michigan," coach Mike Tomlin said this week.

The 9-3 Steelers, who could clinch the AFC North if they win and Cleveland loses at the Jets, would seem the logical team to end New England's streak after 12 games.

In their last two games, the Patriots have struggled to three-point wins over Philadelphia and Baltimore, two sub-.500 teams. They allowed 166 yards rushing in the 27-24 win over the Ravens and, in Pittsburgh, they face a team that always runs first; Pittsburgh ranks third in NFL rushing.

The result? According to Bill Belichick, just what you'd expect from a team that's played 12 games under increasing scrutiny and pressure.

"We're a tired team right now," the Patriots coach said during a television interview Tuesday. Then he gave his players Wednesday off, contrary to the television "experts" who predicted he would drive his players harder than ever this week.

The Patriots are close to a very important goal: a win and a loss by Indianapolis in Baltimore will give them home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs. That's just about a certainty anyway because New England's win in Indy last month essentially gives it a three-game lead in that race.

The Steelers are chasing the Colts for a first-round bye. That may be tough to attain because three of their last four games are on the road.

Still, they don't seem awed by New England in what's an interesting contrast. The Patriots have scored the most points in the NFL, the Steelers have allowed the fewest. And three years ago, they stopped New England's record 21-game winning streak and 18-game regular-season streak by winning 34-20 in Pittsburgh.

Second-year safety Anthony Smith, under prodding from media, "guaranteed" victory, something Tomlin surely found both silly and aggravating.

Pittsburgh's veterans found it amusing.

"He better keep his mouth shut," linebacker James Farrior said with a laugh. "Oh well, I guess we've got to go deal with that."


The weekend started with Washington's 24-16 win over the Chicago Bears on Thursday night. Both starting quarterbacks, Jason Campbell and Rex Grossman, left the game with injuries.

With four weeks left, seven other teams can clinch playoff berths this week, an unusually high number on the brink this early.

All four NFC divisions can be clinched if the leaders win:

Dallas takes the East with a win at Detroit or a loss by the New York Giants in Philadelphia.

Green Bay clinches the North with a win at home over Oakland or a loss by Detroit.

Tampa Bay wins the South with a victory at Houston or losses by Carolina at Jacksonville and New Orleans on Monday night at Atlanta. And Seattle can win the West by beating Arizona at home.

The Giants can clinch a wild-card spot if they win and several other teams lose.

In the AFC, Indianapolis can clinch the South with a win Sunday night at Baltimore, combined with losses by Jacksonville and Tennessee. The Colts also can grab a playoff spot with a win and any number of scenarios. San Diego can take the West if it wins at Tennessee and Denver loses at home to Kansas City.



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Patriots' pursuit of perfection just another chapter in *asterisk* era

By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer
December 8, 2007

The New England Patriots head into the homestretch of their pursuit of perfection every bit as reviled as they are respected, and every bit as suspect as they are superior.

They are models of excellence, as their 12-0 record unarguably affirms. Yet they are also another symbol of what's wrong with sports these days: convicted cheaters in an era in which some of the most impressive accomplishments in sports come with a potential asterisk.

With the remnants of* "Spygate" following them wherever they go, the Patriots are a hot topic in sports bars across America, where football fans wonder if they're seeing a legitimate pursuit of perfection, or just another illicitly enhanced effort to slither into the record books.

"It's just another one of those things that makes you leery," said Tom Garcia, while watching last week's Packers-Cowboys game at a bar outside of Denver. "You want to believe that what you see up front is what you get. It just makes you realize that you really don't know what goes on behind the scenes."

In September, the NFL took away the Patriots' first-round draft pick, fined the team $250,000 and fined coach Bill Belichick another $500,000 after catching a Patriots video assistant taping from the sidelines during a game against the Jets in Week 1. A league rule prohibits clubs from using a video camera on the sidelines for any purpose -- including recording signals relayed to opposing players on the field.

Since then, New England's perfect record has been followed by an asterisk in the minds of many -- and more concretely in the New York Post, where the daily standings also include a note reminding readers that the Patriots were nailed for cheating.

"It turned me off a little bit," said Kevin Turner, a Patriots fan from California. "Recording hand signals, it's just not right. If they did it again next year, I'd be a little less of a fan. But hopefully they've learned their lesson with the fine."

Some may ask, what's the big deal?

The legacy of cheating in sports involves hundreds of unwritten rules, hazy lines and shades of gray.

In baseball, stealing signals is widely viewed as a time-honored tradition, the retribution for which used to be a fastball into the ribs of the offending player during his next at-bat.

In basketball, the widely circulated term "no harm, no foul," implies a tacit acceptance that some forms of cheating will be allowed if it doesn't affect the outcome of the action being played out.

NASCAR has long been known for drivers and crew chiefs who will bend the rules and break them, to the point where nobody's ever quite sure what's legal and what's not, and what the regulations are on any given week.

The list goes on.

"If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

"It's only cheating if you get caught."

These homespun phrases, along with the unspoken wink-wink, nod-nod meanings underlying them, are as much a part of sports as referees, field goals and home runs.

"But if the NFL condones cheating and baseball doesn't do anything about steroids, you wonder if eventually those sports will go the way of boxing," said Turner's friend, Carlos Garcia, commenting on a sport that has lost much of its mainstream credibility. "I won't pay to watch a boxing match anymore."

Greg Dale, a professor at Duke, said the Patriots case will get ample attention next spring in his Sports Ethics class.

"Certainly, some people are purists who say, `Why can't they just line up and kick butt and may the best team win and let's do things by the letter and the spirit of the rules?"' Dale said. "There's definitely a little bit of a question about the validity of their unbeaten season because of this."

Other than issuing a statement acknowledging he was at fault when the penalties were levied, Belichick has stayed mum on the topic.

In his defense, there are many who think the Patriots were simply using an enhanced version of what every NFL team does anyway: looking for an easier way to glean information they eventually would have received by some other manner.

NFL coaches are famous for their 80-hour work week, much of which is spent in a projection room breaking down every play run by upcoming opponents in their previous games.

They're also notorious for signing backup players who have recently been cut from teams that they just happen to be facing that week. These signings happen not because Team A absolutely had to have another third-string safety, but because that safety knows Team B's playbook and, just as likely, its hand signals.

"I think it's just an extended version of scouting," said Andrew Weissman, a junior at University of Miami, said of the Patriots' taping scheme. "You still have to win football games. As much as you watch tape or record what the other team is doing, you still have to go out there and win football games. And they're winning. If they go undefeated, they'll deserve it."

Not everyone in Miami sees it that way.

Most notable have been the comments from Don Shula, coach of the 17-0 Dolphins of 1972, who in November told the New York Daily News, "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it. I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record."

More recently, Shula has backed off those comments. During New England's most recent victory, 27-24 over Baltimore, the coach told ESPN he still thinks the Patriots are "unbelievable."

"And if they run the table, they should be given credit for running the table," he said.

But Tony Dungy, the coach of an Indianapolis team that might have the best chance of derailing New England in the playoffs, was less diplomatic.

"They've won three Super Bowls. We're talking about them as maybe the best team ever," Dungy said in a recent interview on HBO's "Costas Now." "And to have something like that happen, it just lets people say, 'Oh, you know, this is how you win.' Or, 'This is OK, as long as you win.' And I didn't think it was good for the NFL."

The NFL did its part, levying an unprecedented fine and handing down the gold standard of penalties by taking away a top draft choice.

By doing it, though, the league acknowledged the Patriots as cheaters, and the word comes up often during the conversation about their quest for perfection.

"That's why I don't like them, because of the cheating," said Diane Frump, the bartender at The Tin Cup bar outside Kenosha, Wis. "That helped them win those games."

AP Sports Writers Nancy Armour in Chicago and Steven Wine in Miami contributed to this report.






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Cowboys hope to beat Lions and shut up QB Jon Kitna

By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer
December 9, 2007

DETROIT (AP) --

The Dallas Cowboys can cross off a couple items on their to-do list in Detroit. They can clinch the NFC East and shut up Jon Kitna.

Dallas (11-1) might be equally motivated to do both.

Kitna said Cowboys linebackers were not effective, among other things, and ripped No. 56, Bradie James, in particular during a radio interview after leading the Lions to an improbable win at Dallas to end the 2006 regular season.

James said Sunday's game at Ford Field has been circled on his calendar all year and called Kitna's comments "classless" when the team returned from a long break after beating Green Bay.

"In a sense, we've all been called out," Dallas linebacker Kevin Burnett said.

It might not be the only comment Kitna ends up regretting.

Kitna insisted before the season he would be disappointed if the Lions didn't win 10 games, a bit of bravado for the leader of a team that lost an NFL-high 72 games the previous six seasons.

To avoid disappointment, the quarterback will have to help Detroit (6-6) pull off a stunning string of victories, starting with an upset over Dallas.

"That means they've got to beat us to get to 10," Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens said.

The Lions are double-digit underdogs at home against Dallas and will likely be so again on the road against San Diego next week and against Green Bay to close the regular season. They seem to have only one winnable game remaining, against Kansas City at home, but that's not a given by any means.

Detroit has crumbled in all phases to revert to the same-old Lions after being one of the surprise teams in the league by winning six of its first eight games.

The Cowboys, meanwhile, have followed a strong start with a six-game winning streak to earn their best 12-game record in franchise history.

Detroit's only hope is that the Cowboys are rusty because of a 10-day break.

The Cowboys have been off since beating Green Bay 37-27 in a Thursday night game. That win clinched a playoff berth and moved them within a victory of claiming a division title for the first time since 1998, and closer to securing home-field advantage for the NFC playoffs.

"We know what we're playing for and we've got to continue to play well and do our thing," linebacker Marcus Spears said. "If we do that, all those questions that Kitna needs answered will be answered for him."

Kitna prefaced his remarks last January by saying he needed to be careful because he knew the Lions were playing Dallas again this season. While preparing to play the Cowboys again, Kitna said the tone of his statements to the Seattle radio station had been lost.

"That was something that was unfortunately taken as serious that was said to my hometown radio station in fun," Kitna said Wednesday, the same day he didn't participate on a conference call with Dallas reporters as scheduled. "It was certainly not meant to be used in a way to degrade players. I talk to that station frequently, but unfortunately those quotes haven't been taken in the way they were meant."

Regardless of the interpretation, Kitna's words created another stir this season.

It appeared at the midway point of the schedule that he was going to have the last laugh about his bold statements entering the season, but he has become the face and mouth of what might end up being the NFL's laughingstock by the end of the month.

"I'm not saying he threw us under the bus, but he put us out there nationally with the 10-win prediction," receiver Roy Williams said earlier this year.

Williams might be out for the rest of the season with a knee injury, adding to Detroit's long list of woes.

Even if the Lions were healthy, the Cowboys seem set up to beat them and officially prevent them from reaching Kitna's magic number.

Tony Romo, Owens and Co. have helped Dallas average 32 points during its six-game winning streak. Overall, the Cowboys are averaging 391 yards of offense a game to trail only the Patriots' production.

Detroit has allowed at least 31 points in three of the last four games, all of them losses, while scoring an average of just 17.

But no one thought the Lions would win at Dallas last year when they were playing only for a pride against a team with something at stake.

"This year, we have something to play for. Last year, we didn't," said Kitna, clinging onto fading hopes of making the playoffs. "We're backed into a corner, and we're going to have to earn out way out of it. That isn't going to be easy, and we can't make up for four losses in one day."



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My Bucs Lose .....but without Jeff Garcia...it was bound to happen + we won the last 3 games BARELY in the dying minutes...

One GREAT thing is than in our division Carolina lost again !!!! :dielaugh:

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with 18 seconds left Dallas ties Detroit and they Have the xtra poinmt cominn up !!!!!

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Dallas makes good the xtra point ...they beat Detroit !!!!

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