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Greece outlaws sporting fanclubs

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Greece outlaws sporting fanclubs
By Malcolm Brabant
BBC News, Athens

Greece's government has outlawed some 300 mostly football supporters' clubs in an attempt to stamp out hooliganism.

It is the latest action in the wake of last week's riot just outside Athens which left one football supporter dead and several others seriously injured.

Last week, the government suspended all professional team sports for two weeks to force clubs to do more to address the violence.

The ban is due to be introduced after Orthodox Easter on 8 April.

Angry reaction

The pitched battle took place between fans of Olympiakos Piraeus and Panathinaikos football clubs ahead of a match by women's volleyball teams aligned to the clubs.

According to government spokesman Theodoros Roussopoulos, the fan clubs are being targeted because they have acted as nests of violence both inside and outside grounds.

After last week's battle between Olympiakos and Panathinaikos fans, police raided dozens of clubhouses and seized scores of weapons such as chains, clubs, petrol bombs and knives.

Until now teams like Olympiakos were able to distribute match tickets through the supporters' clubs but that facility has now been banned because the government wants to link names to tickets in an attempt to boost security.

The government plans to introduce new legislation after Easter to control the activities of fan clubs. In the meantime, they have been disbanded.

Club leaders have reacted angrily to the suspension.

But one of Greece's most prominent sporting figures has argued that the government's action is not stringent enough.

Demis Nikolaidis, once a member of the national football team and now President of AEK, the third main Athenian club, has called for all Greek sides to be banned from European competition for the next three years.

Nikolaidis has been trying to eradicate hooliganism at AEK so that families can feel safe.


Often stadiums in Greece are swamped in tear gas as riot police try to pacify violent supporters but Nikolaidis' radical proposal is unlikely to receive much support from other leading clubs which rely on European exposure for much of their revenue.
The first step in the right direction. Continue PLEASE for the love of God, human life, and the games we love. ENOUGH!


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Greece suspends fan clubs after violence
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4/3/2007 12:46:37 PM



ATHENS, Greece (AP) - All Greek soccer supporters' clubs were suspended Tuesday, and league organizers escaped with a warning after last week's deadly fan violence.

The measures were announced by the government following clashes between fans of Greece's two largest clubs - Panathinaikos and Olympiakos. Thursday's violence left one fan dead and prompted a two-week ban on all professional team sport matches.

"This will remain in effect ... until a new law is approved, and measures allowing surveillance cameras at stadiums and all match-ticket sales to identifiable with individual fans," deputy minister for sport Giorgos Orfanos said.

Those measures are due to take effect next season - a year later than originally planned.

"We have all decided to join the fight against violence in sport. The government is determined to see these measures through," Orfanos said.

League organizers also agreed to stop distributing tickets directly to supporters' clubs and to help authorities shut down fan organizations operating without a license.

Similar restrictions were imposed on basketball and volleyball clubs.

Clubs had been threatened with playing for the rest of the season in empty stadiums unless they complied, local media reports said.

The government imposed the two-week ban on all professional team sports Friday after fans from Panathinaikos and Olympiakos were involved in bloody clashes a day earlier outside a women's volleyball game.

Both clubs have teams in soccer, basketball and other sports, and rival supporters in the past have clashed at various sporting events.

Panathinaikos fan Michalis Filopoulos, 25, died while he was being transported to a hospital after sustaining multiple stab wounds and head injuries from blows with a baseball bat.

Eighteen fans were arrested after the clashes, 12 under blanket felony charges that include murder. The six other suspects were arrested on lesser charges, and five of them have been released pending trial.

League organizers said they agreed with the crackdown on supporters' clubs.

"Everything must change, we're all in agreement on that," PAS Giannina Alexis Kouyias chairman said. "There will be a new legal framework which will not allow for this kind of violent behaviour to develop ... Something must be done to jolt the public."

To pio omorfo pragma sto kosmo einai na agapas tin AEK!
Det Vackraste i den har varlden, ar att alska AEK!
Самая прекрасная вещь на свете, это любить АЕК!
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La cosa piu' bella nel' mondo e' di amare l'AEK!
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Load of rubbish from government and Demis.
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You don't think they'll go through with these measures?

I think alot of people need to understand what Demis is essentially saying. He is saying that there are these clubs that are colluding with the hooligans and to remove the parasites, the clubs need to be hit where they hurt.....In the pocketbook.

And he is speaking specifically at PAO-Gate 13, and OSFP-Gate 7. Probably the 2 most violent groups overall. Gate 4 doesn't get along with PAOK's management. Super 3 is not as violent, and Demis is estranged from Original 21 here for some time.

The rest of the clubs are smaller and don't accrue too many Euros in benefits from playing in Europe. OSFP and PAO look the other way and especially in OSFP's case are close to their groups because they make Euros from UEFA. Ban them from UEFA and you won't hurt PAOK, Aris, AEL, etc as much as you would the 2 big offenders.

Not that it will happen. But how far can this go further? How many people must die? How LOW can attendances go?

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La cosa piu' bella nel' mondo e' di amare l'AEK!
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If the government goes through with this then we are looking at the first step in the right direction.
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Not all the fan clubs will close.About 250 out of the 800.
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I'm very skeptical about any of this occuring. I bet that in 4 months everything will be back to 'normal' with no changes having occured.

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You don't think they'll go through with these measures?
I think closing fan-clubs is undemocratic and pointless. You can't outlaw a bunch of people gathering somewhere and you can't outlaw a bunch of people buying tickets together. If you remember, Panathinaikos has only ONE official fan club. The rest don't get tickets or anything, does that stop them from creating trouble?

As for Demis' suggestion of Greek teams being banned from Europe for 3 years, it is extremelly idiotic. What would be the point of bringing our football back at the stone age? Aren't we already bad enough? Besides, trouble almost never occurs in European matches...

The problem with Greek football lies with the fan culture. It is seen acceptable, even necessary, for certain elements of the fanbase of all clubs to engage in violence. If you start handing out actual bannings to individuals who breach the law as well as persecuting them to the maximum, eventually it will stop.
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I think what would help is if the greek govt and f.a involved people from countries like england that have mostly stamped out hooliganism. I do feel that Demis' proposal is too far because, if clubs lose out on their european revenue they will need to seek new revenue, i.e bigger crowds and will then turn to the "old" fans to buy tickets again and will just start the problem up again.

I also think that greece and turkey have a bigger job trying to stamp it out, because what may seem hooliganistic to one ocuntry is not to another and just resembles very strong support and greek clubs certainly have mad fans

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Just check the first pages of newspaper "Filathlos".
From 1600 stadiums all around Greece only 7 are ok...
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Today Aris gave tickets to Super 3 for the game against Ergotelis...
Let's see what will happen.
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Lafa, I agree about bringing in English who have dealt with this and stamped it out.

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Greece to Install TV Cameras at Stadiums to Stem Fan Violence

By Maria Petrakis

April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Greece will install and upgrade surveillance cameras at its biggest stadiums in the next six months to stem violence at sports events, with the May 23 Champions League final in Athens set to be the first to test the system.

The closed circuit TV system for 22 stadiums will cost about 7 million euros ($9.4 million), according to an e-mailed statement from the office of Sports Minister George Orfanos today. Another 14 million euros has been earmarked to provide electronic ticketing, an additional measure designed to help police track down trouble-makers, the statement said.

Greece slapped a two-week ban on all team sports matches, including soccer and basketball, last month after fighting between opposing fans before a women's volleyball game left a 25-year-old fan dead and several injured. The ban ends tomorrow.

Michel Platini, the newly elected president of European soccer's ruling body UEFA, warned last month that off-field violence is ``poisoning'' the sport and called on authorities to evaluate how they police crowds. UEFA has fined clubs including England's Manchester United, France's Lille and the Netherlands' Feyenoord for failing to control their supporters in European club competitions this year.

Following the fighting that preceded both of United's quarterfinal matches against Roma, UEFA urged English supporters to cut their drinking. At least one English team will be in the Champions League final in Athens's Olympic Stadium. Liverpool plays English Premiership rival Chelsea, and Manchester United takes on Italy's AC Milan in the semifinals. The stadium will host about 70,000 fans.

`Safest Final'

``We've taken all the necessary measures so that the Champions League final will be a success,'' Orfanos said. ``Greece will organize the safest final.''

Greece has also tightened up laws for those arrested for sports violence, removing the option that existed allowing them to pay off their sentence rather than go to jail. Police arrested 13 people in last month's riot, when fans from Panathinaikos and Olympiakos, the nation's biggest sports clubs, arranged a fight to settle a long-running feud.

Nineteen fans involved in violence have been jailed in the past few months, government spokesman Theodoros Roussopoulos told reporters earlier today. A total of 56 have been jailed since the new law took effect two years ago, he said.

```We are decisively and carefully moving ahead so that a few aren't able to impose the law of the jungle,'' Roussopoulos said. The government is working ``so that that we can all enjoy a sporting event, to be able to watch a match in a civilized manner.''

To pio omorfo pragma sto kosmo einai na agapas tin AEK!
Det Vackraste i den har varlden, ar att alska AEK!
Самая прекрасная вещь на свете, это любить АЕК!
La plus belle chose dans le monde est l'amour pour l'AEK!
La cosa piu' bella nel' mondo e' di amare l'AEK!
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Aris-Ergotelis for Superleague and the derby Aris-PAOK in A1 basketball are postponed because Aris gave tickets to their fan club Super 3.
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This is a very ridiculous situation. Aris gave the tickets BEFORE the new law passed, what were they supposed to do?
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What a stupid things to do, but it may well be a slippery slope again before it improves. Aris clearly think this is their only soure of revenue,so they need the money.

I think crowds will go down before they go up though, give it 3/4 years and things will be on the way to been sorted out, cameras are a positive improvement, also i think the f.a should be paying for all these technological advances because the smaller clubs may discount them.

edit : i didnt relise aris gave them before the new law, they should be said to be ok then, bit of a stupid situation because these people at the govt and f.a should have realised the tickets has been given out

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