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Greatest Turkish Players


Turkish football history has shown flashes of immense potential. The flashes, however, have been far and few in between. This guide to the greatest players is made up of the 3.5 peaks of Turkish football. First, the initial setup of the Turkish football federation from 1923 until 1938, which featured record breaking players and the first footballer to move abroad. The second peak is from the early 1950s until the end of the 1960s. The decade saw several players move abroad and the creation of the first fully professional top-flight league, as well as Turkey's first World Cup appearance in 1954. The "half" is represented by the 1970s to early 1990s. Trabzonspor's rise in the 1970's was a positive, but then Turkish football hit an all-time low in the mid 1980s with two 8-0 losses to England in 1984 and 1987. Turkey's fortunes turned around after Jupp Derwall's transformation of Galatasaray in the late 1980s. Since then, Turkey has seen a steady rise, producing quarter-finals and semi-finals in the EUROs in 1996 and 2000 respectively, as well as third place finishes in the World Cup and Confederations Cup in 2002 and 2003.

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☆☆☆ - players who excelled at the national level and a top league abroad
☆☆½ - players who excelled at the national level and domestic league level, but did not move abroad
☆☆ - players who excelled at the national level and achieved above-average results at domestic league level
☆½ - players who did well at national level and domestic league level
- players who may not have excelled at national level but achieved notable results at club level
No star - players who are honorable mentions, either for having excellent talent within a small time frame or for longevity without much talent or another notable factor

Goalkeepers/Kaleci
Rüştü Reçber ☆☆☆ Video
Turgay Şeren ☆☆½ "The Berlin Panther"
Özcan Arkoç ☆☆½
Volkan Demirel ☆☆ Video
Şenol Güneş ☆☆
Ali Artuner ☆☆ Video
Cihat Arman ☆½
Yasin Özdenak ☆½
Engin İpekoğlu
Şükrü Ersoy

Centerbacks/Stoper
Alpay ☆☆☆ Video
Bülent Korkmaz ☆☆½ Video
Erhan Önal ☆☆
Fatih Terim ☆☆
Ogün Temizkanoğlu ☆☆ Video
Servet Çetin ☆½ "The Bear Choker" Video
Gökhan Keskin ☆½ Video
Alpaslan Eratlı ☆½
Basri Dirimlili ☆½
Naci Erdem ☆½
Yusuf Altıntaş ☆½
Erdoğan Arıca
Emre Aşık Video
Bülent Eken
Nihat Bekdik "Lion"

Wingbacks/Sağ bek ve sol bek
Hamit Altıntop ☆☆☆ Video
Abdullah Ercan ☆☆ Video
Hakan Ünsal ☆☆ Video
Ergün Penbe ☆☆ Video
Ümit Davala ☆☆ Video
Turgay Semercioğlu
Fatih Akyel
Gökhan Gönül
Recep Çetin
Fatih Sonkaya
Tolga Seyhan
İbrahim Üzülmez

Holding midfielders/Ön libero
Emre ☆☆☆ Video
Tugay ☆☆☆ Video
Nuri Şahin☆☆☆ Video
Suat Kaya ☆☆
Tayfun Korkut ☆☆
Mehmet Aurélio ☆☆ Video
Mehmet Topal ☆☆ Video
Ünal Karaman Video
Tolunay Kafkas
Tayfur Havutçu

Attacking midfielders/Orta saha
Arda Turan ☆☆☆ Video
Yıldıray Baştürk ☆☆☆ Video
Gökdeniz Karadeniz ☆☆☆ Video
Can Bartu ☆☆☆ "Signore"
Hasan Şaş ☆☆ Video
Sergen Yalçın ☆☆ Video
Muzzy Izzet ☆☆ Video
Engin Verel ☆☆ Video
Rıza Çalımbay "Atom Ant" Video
Uğur Tütüneker Video
Ridvan Dilmen "The Devil" Video
Kadri Aytaç
İsfendiyar Açıksöz
Şeref Has
Mehmet Özdilek "Turkish Scifo" Video
Tümer Metin Video
Okan Buruk
Sedat Özden
Suat Mamat
Oğuz Çetin
Vahap Özaltay

Strikers/Santrafor
Nihat ☆☆☆ Video
Hakan Şükür ☆☆☆ "The Bull of the Bosphorus" Video
Lefter ☆☆☆ "Professor"
Metin Oktay ☆☆☆ "King Without a Crown"
Şükrü Gülesin ☆☆☆
Zeki Rıza Sporel ☆☆
Fatih Tekke ☆☆ Video
Tuncay Şanlı ☆☆ "Braveheart" Video
Tanju Çolak ☆☆ Video
Feyyaz Uçar Video
Oktay Derelioğlu Video
Cemil Turan
Hami Mandıralı Video
Ertuğrul Sağlam Video
Erdal Keser Video
İlyas Tüfekçi Video
Hakkı Yeten "Father"
Gündüz Kılıç "Father"
Bülent Esel
Ogün Altıparmak
Arif Erdem Video
Hasan Kabze Video
Feridun Buğeker
İlhan Mansız Video
Cemil Gürgen Erlertürk

This is the summary of the 25-men squad:

01 GK Rüştü
02 RB Hamit
03 LB Abdullah
04 CB Alpay
06 CB Bülent
08 DM Tugay
05 CM Emre
10 RW Arda
11 LW Gökdeniz
14 SS Nihat
09 CF Hakan

12 GK Volkan
16 CB Fatih
13 FB Hakan
15 FB Ergün
18 DM Suat
19 CM Izzet
07 AM Sergen
20 AM Baştürk
17 FW Can
21 FW Hasan
22 CF Lefter
23 CF Metin
24 CF Şükrü
25 CF Zeki

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.

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great thread, Kocaman Adam
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Yeah, wonderful and very informative
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I will be responding in this thread in my native language, since I'm a Turk, too.


Kocaman Adam eskilere gerektiği kadar saygı göstermiyorsun.


Volkan'ın Turgay Şeren'den daha önemli, büyük, iyi bir isim olduğunu iddia edemeyiz açık açık.

Bülent Korkmaz da Alpay'dan iyi bir stoperdi. Böyle bir seçim tam bir fiyasko.

Ne kadar kendisinden nefret etsem de Rıdvan, Gökdeniz Karadeniz'den üstün bir oyuncudur. Gökdeniz ve Yıldıray için 2 yıldız daha isabetli derim ayrıca.

Tümer bile var ama efsane MAF üçlüsünden 1 tanesini bile yazmamışsın.

Gelelim sıkıntının büyüğüne...
Nihat, F. Tekke, Tuncay nasıl oluyor da Tanju'dan iyi oluyor?
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I should have noted that this list was incomplete as of yet, as I'm still trying to figure out how to rate some players (mostly defenders as there hasn't been a lot of great or good quality there, mostly average and below average).

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Kocaman Adam eskilere gerektiği kadar saygı göstermiyorsun.


Volkan'ın Turgay Şeren'den daha önemli, büyük, iyi bir isim olduğunu iddia edemeyiz açık açık.
My list doesn't go by name. It's based on achievements. Was Turgay a great player? Of course he was. You don't play 20 seasons for Galatasaray if you're average. But he played during a time when Turkey made their first World Cup appearance, when we had our best players moving abroad to Italy and France. Turgay didn't and he also didn't have as many memorable moments on the European stage. That, plus much better physique from Volkan puts him ahead of Turgay. It wasn't an easy choice to make, but that's how it fell under my grading guidelines.

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Bülent Korkmaz da Alpay'dan iyi bir stoperdi. Böyle bir seçim tam bir fiyasko.
Alpay's achievements abroad put him ahead of Bulent for me. He was regarded as a top defender for Aston Villa and had bigger clubs after him.

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Ne kadar kendisinden nefret etsem de Rıdvan, Gökdeniz Karadeniz'den üstün bir oyuncudur. Gökdeniz ve Yıldıray için 2 yıldız daha isabetli derim ayrıca.
Ridvan is one of the most naturally talented players I've seen. However, he played during a time when the level of Turkish football was very bad. Also, his peak at Fenerbahce was cut short. By comparison both Gokdeniz and Basturk excelled at both their league level and on the European stage.

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Tümer bile var ama efsane MAF üçlüsünden 1 tanesini bile yazmamışsın.
Again, different time periods. Tumer played in a much stronger league and produced excellent performances in Europe.

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Gelelim sıkıntının büyüğüne...
Nihat, F. Tekke, Tuncay nasıl oluyor da Tanju'dan iyi oluyor?
Think about the Super Lig in the late 80s and early 90s. Was Tanju even linked to other clubs after winning the Golden Boot with his 39 goal season? Nihat on the other hand finished second in the La Liga twice and second in most goals in 2003. He was also one of the best players in the EURO 2008 semi-finals run. Fatih Tekke produced two seasons as good as Tanju's in a tougher Super Lig and then moved to Russia where he helped with an UEFA Cup and UEFA Super Cup. Finally, Tuncay produced better performances for the national team (80 caps/22 goals compared to 31 caps/9 goals) and had great performances in the Premier League for several seasons.

Thanks for the feedback guys I'll be working on this and if there are any suggestions I'm open to them

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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If I could, I would give you points

I think that Alpaslan Eratlı should be included.

Who consider do you that was the best Turkish player in history?

NO SOUTH AMERICAN CLUB OWES A CUP TO ANY EUROPEAN PLAYER, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN!!!!!!


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abdullah is the best in my book. there aren´t many left backs with his quality.

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If I could, I would give you points

I think that Alpaslan Eratlı should be included.

Who consider do you that was the best Turkish player in history?
Alpaslan is one of the players for me that was outside of the bubble. I may end up putting him in later on

Best player is a tough one. One of the biggest problems with Turkish football is that we've had players that have had serious injury problems or unfulfilled potential. If we go on talent alone, I may say Sergen. But based on statistics, achievements and performances alone I will say Nihat. There hasn't been another player who achieved as much as he did abroad: 76 goals in 195 appearances in eight years and helping lead two different teams to a second place finish in a Big Three league. Also his performances at EURO 2008 were excellent. His two goals against the Czech Republic were magic.

Hakan's career was longer, but his failure abroad puts a kind of stain on his career for me. Emre had success abroad, but they were flashes here and there and not consistent like Nihat. Basturk was good, but had even bigger injury problems than Nihat. If Tugay moved abroad at a younger age, I think he could've been the greatest, especially if he was able to move on from Blackburn. He's also my personal favorite.

Also the 50s stars are kind of hard to rate. They had excellent statistics, but we have to remember that it was mostly before Turkey even had a fully professional league. Lefter, Metin and Can Bartu are generally considered the best from that era (they all play abroad), but the player with the best performances in a better league was Sukru, who scored a respectable 36 goals in 79 matches, a better record than the other three.

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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good thread :thmbup:

I'm surprised there's so many contemporary players among the top ratings who even I have seen but I guess it makes sense as Turkish football started to develop relatively late.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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good thread :thmbup:

I'm surprised there's so many contemporary players among the top ratings who even I have seen but I guess it makes sense as Turkish football started to develop relatively late.
The potential has always been there. We had a couple stars early on, like Zeki Riza and Vahap Ozaltay (the first player to move abroad), but we didn't participate in the World Cup until 1954 and didn't qualify for another major tournament until Euro 1996. As a result, most of the players are from our Golden Generation from 1996-2002.

The first professional league wasn't created until 1959. Only the top three teams were competitive (the fourth biggest club, Trabzonspor, didn't come along until the late 60s and won all their titles in the 70s). Goztepe made a few shocks in the Inter-Cities Cup and Cup Winners Cup, but otherwise there were only a handful of appearances by GS/FB/BJK. The consistency just wasn't there.

As I noted in the OP, just look at the two 8-0 in 1984 and 87 and that will give you an idea of where Turkish football was before Derwall's revolution.

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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Alpaslan is one of the players for me that was outside of the bubble. I may end up putting him in later on

Best player is a tough one.

Hakan Sukur is a transverse name.
also that Nuri Şahin, Tugay, Arda Turan and Nihat

Rüştü Reçber and Alpay Özalan were best players in your position in 2002 world cup.

But I choose to Sergen Yalçın
I choose talent by upon of the career.

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good thread :thmbup:

I'm surprised there's so many contemporary players among the top ratings who even I have seen but I guess it makes sense as Turkish football started to develop relatively late.
You not forget that in the World Cup of 2002 the Turkey were the 3rd

NO SOUTH AMERICAN CLUB OWES A CUP TO ANY EUROPEAN PLAYER, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN!!!!!!


Ha, and by the way ... Excuse me for my wrong English.

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This is a part of recent history.

In most countries "Greatest ever" lists there would be a more or less constant mix of players from all decades starting from 60's at least. In Turkey's case it seems the mid-90s were a watershed when the real development started.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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Updated.

Would you guys like to see a Greatest Turks list including the ones capped for Germany/Netherlands/Switzerland etc?

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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Updated.

Would you guys like to see a Greatest Turks list including the ones capped for Germany/Netherlands/Switzerland etc?
YES!!!!!!

NO SOUTH AMERICAN CLUB OWES A CUP TO ANY EUROPEAN PLAYER, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN!!!!!!


Ha, and by the way ... Excuse me for my wrong English.
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Add this one, mate,

Bülent Esel (Beşiktaş and SPAL) FW 1950's

I think Bülent Korkmaz (and Fatih Terim) considered as better than Alpay (in achievement).
Considered, captaining a 3rd placed World Cup team to agitating David Beckham and whole of England, not to mention initiating a tunnel brawl during the half-time break.

Not fully agree with inclusion of Arda, Gökdeniz and Nihat in first XI.
Hasan Şaş, Lefter or Can would be better for me.

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YES!!!!!!
I need to make the Indonesian XI who made it into Netherlands national team.
It include Beb Bakhuys, Simon Tahamata, Giovanni van Bronckhorst (yes, that Gio!) and Sonny Silooy.
Should I make it?

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I need to make the Indonesian XI who made it into Netherlands national team.
It include Beb Bakhuys, Simon Tahamata, Giovanni van Bronckhorst (yes, that Gio!) and Sonny Silooy.
Should I make it?
I think so.

Indonesia is a multicultural country.

Players from the Molucan Islands have Oceanic race, but living in an Asian country.

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Kocaman, do you think Turkey had the strenght enough to test at international level, before his 1st match in 1923?

Which were the main players in the 1920s? I think Dearman, rate very highly to Zeki.
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Kocaman, do you think Turkey had the strenght enough to test at international level, before his 1st match in 1923?

Which were the main players in the 1920s? I think Dearman, rate very highly to Zeki.
It depends. How much strength do you put into statistics? Zeki has one of the best goal records of the 20th century. 470 goals in 352 matches and 15 goals in 16 caps for the Milli Takim. The reason why I include Zeki in this list is for his international exploits. There's also another high scoring forward, Alaattin Baydar. 362 goals in 324 matches, but only 1 in 16 caps.

I don't think they would've been able to compete before 1923. If you look at their matches from the formation of the TFF up through the 1928 Olympics, they have quite poor results.

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1927-1928
	 18	May 28,1928		   Egypt 7-1 Turkey
	 17	Apr 15,1928		 Romania 4-2 Turkey
	 16	Apr  8,1928	      Yugoslavia 2-1 Turkey
	 15	Oct 14,1927		  Turkey 3-1 Bulgaria
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	 14	Jul 17,1927		Bulgaria 3-3 Turkey
	 13	Sep 12,1926		  Poland 6-1 Turkey
	1925-1926
	 12	May  7,1926		  Turkey 1-3 Romania
	 11	Oct  2,1925		  Turkey 1-2 Poland
	1924-1925
	 10	May 15,1925		  Turkey 1-2 URSS
	  9	May  1,1925		 Romania 1-2 Turkey
	  8	Apr 10,1925		  Turkey 2-1 Bulgaria
	  7	Nov 16,1924		    USSR 3-0 Turkey
	1923-1924
	  6	Jun 29,1924		  Poland 2-0 Turkey
	  5	Jun 22,1924		  Latvia 1-3 Turkey
	  4	Jun 19,1924		 Estonia 1-4 Turkey
	  3	Jun 17,1924		 Finland 2-4 Turkey
	  2	May 25,1924	  Czechoslovakia 5-2 Turkey
	  1	Oct 26,1923		  Turkey 2-2 Romania
The first Turkish footballer began playing football in 1908. Up until then, the only footballers in Turkey were English and Greeks playing in Izmir and Istanbul from 1875. And until the late 1940s, Turkey didn't have professional leagues. The leagues were considered amateur up until then.

Another reason why I don't think they would be able to compete is that a lot of the players that were capped played only a few seasons, even for the bigger clubs like Fenerbahce and Galatasaray.

I don't rate players from before the 1950s because they were playing in very weak leagues and didn't achieve any notable results on the international stage. Unless of course, they have exquisite records, like Zeki.

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That was a shot. However, when he hits those trivelas one of two things happen-

1-Joshua has an orgasm.

2-Queresma scoress, and Joshua has an orgasm.

This time he got a lucky assist, but you can still bet Joshua had an orgasm.
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