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Hungaria FbC Roma / I.R.O. 1949/1950

After the commies took over in Eastern Europe (Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia etc) in 1948, many hungarian footballers decided to leave Hungary and start a new life abroad. As they were banned for life by their national FA and their ban was also extended by FIFA for 2 years, they couldnt return back to Hungary neither to play competitive games abroad for long 2 years. In order of surviving those 2 years and keep themselves in form, they formed in 1949 in Italy irregular demonstrative team of exulants based in refugee camp Cinecittá (near Rome). They gained good reputation by playing friendlies and it didnt take long time when they got noticed outside of Italy. In 1950, team Hungaria FcB, or I.R.O squadra ( IRO = International Refugee Organization) how they were called by italian media, got invitations to abroad. In June 1950 team led by their major superstar Kubala visited Spain, in later in November/December 1950 visited Colombia.

This thread is dedicated to the palyers and this team, which was later expanded by ethnic hungarians from Romania, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and joined even by non-Hungarians.



Most prominent member of team Hungária was Laci Kubala, but other names are interesting as well.


EDIT: this is just a working version, after finding all the posible detaqils I will finalise it and make it look less chaotic.

Gyorgy Marik
Bela Majtenyi
Gyula Toth
Sandor Lickers/Liakert/Liskér (found more versions) / no idea who it could be, Lisker sounds similar to Liska, ceych footballer who emmigrated in 1949
Frantisek Hinduliak (1922-1989, played for B.Bystrica, Slovan Bratislava)
Sandor Torok (Elektromos)
Laszlo Szoke
Laszlo Fuzesi / Füzesi of Csepel ?
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Ferenc Meszaros
Zvonko Monsider
Gyula Zsengeller
Bela Sarosi
János Hrotko - in Spain also known as Juan Hrotko Szabai
Janos Kiss
Kalman Lami
Nicolae Simatoc (Miklos Szegedi)
Ferenc Nyers
Mihail Uram
István Turbéky
Andrej Nagy (also known as Nagy II)
István Mike Mayer
Aran - Aleksandar Aranđelović
Josef Samu
Tibor Garay
Imre Danko (1928-2002)

other notable players: Marék, Magay, Andrei Otto, Rákoczi Gábor, Di Lorenzo, Adams, Slavoljub Stefanovic, Andrija Secerov, Jiri Hanke



coaches: Ferdinand Daucik
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Spain tour (June 4th - 25th 1949)

Hungária / I.R.O.team squad:

Keeper: Monsider, Di Lorenzo
Defenders: Kiss, Szegedi, Lami, Torok, Magay
Midfielders: Majtenyi, Nagy, Rakoczi, Hrotko, Marik
Forwards: Kubala, Turbeki, Otto, Aran, Licker ,Majtenyi
coach: F.Daucik

Summary:
June 4th, 1950 Real Madrid x Hungária 4-2
June 8th, 1950 Spain x Hungária 1-2
June 10th, 1950 Espanyol x Hungária 6-4
June 14th, 1950 Spain x Hungária 6-3
June 18th, 1950 Espanyol x Hungária 2-4
June 25th, 1950 La Coruna x Hungária 1-2

June 4th, 1950 Estadio Chamartín
Real Madrid vs Hungaria 4:2
http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigat...06/05/021.html

Referee: Caballero
Goals: 0-1 Kubala 1´, 0-2 Kubala, 1-2 Pahińo 42´, 2-2 Pahińo 65´, 3-2 Pahińo 66´, 4-3 Pahińo 73´.

line-ups:


Real Madrid: Acuńa; Nino (Azcárate 45´), Aranda, Navarro, Zárraga, Narro (Soto 73´), Macala (Olmedo 45´), Muńoz, Pahińo, Montalvo, Arsuaga.
Hungaria: Monsider; Kiss, Szegedi, Torok, Majtenyi (Nagy), Marik,
Turbeky, Kubala, Otto, Aran, Licker (Rákoci 65´)






June 8th, 1950 Spain (combinado espanol) vs Hungária 1-2
http://hemeroteca.lavanguardia.com/p...earch=hungaria

Line-ups:

Hungaria: Monsider - Kiss, Szegedi, Torek, Rakoczi, Hrotko, Turbeki, Kubala, Otto, Aran, Marik

seleccion Espanola: Eizaguirre - Alonso, Antúmez, Gonzalvo II, Gonzalvo III, Puchades, Basora, Panizo, Igoa, Molowny, Segui




June 10th, 1950
Espanol vs Hungaria 6:4
http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigat...06/11/032.html
Ref: Mencheta

line-ups:

Espanol: Vera; Fernando, Oliva, Casas, Celma, Diego, Grau, Piquín, Arcas, Artigas, Alvarés (Egea)
Hungaria: Monsider; Lami (Torok), Magay (Marik), Kiss, Majtenyi, Hrotko, Nagy, Kubala (Otto), Otto (Kubala) Marik (Liakert), Turbeky


June 14, 1950
Spain vs Hungaria 6:3
http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigat...06/15/015.html
http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com...66382/pdf.html

Line-ups:
Spain:
1st HT: Ramallets - Asensi, Antunez, Alonso - Gonzalvo, Pudhades - Basora, Igoa, Zarra, Panizo, Gainza
2nd HT: Eizaguirre - Alonso, Parra, Lesmes II - Silva, Puchades - Basora, Molowny, Cézar, Igoa, Juncosa
Hungária: Monsider - Kiss, Marik, Torok - Rakoczi, Hrotko - Nagy, Kubala, Otto, Aran, Turbeky

June 18th, 1950
Espanyol vs Hungaria 2-4 Coppa Montseny
http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.ph...age/4/mode/2up

Hungaria line-up: Monsider; Lami, Torok, Szegedi, Marik Hrotko, Nagy, Kubala, Maytenyi, Arangelovic, Turbeky

June 25th, 1950
La Coruna vs Hungaria 1-2
http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigat...06/27/018.html




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only mention on Kalman Lami I was able to find was he was former Vasas player and passed away in February 2007

his obituary was published in Toronto Star on Feb.6th 2007, he passed away aged 86

LAMI, Kalman; 86; ON; Toronto Star; 2007-2-6*JB

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István Turbéki (Diosgyor, MTK, Jednota Košice) changed his name to Štefan Turek during his stint in Jednota Košice / Czechoslovakia. After leaving Czechoslovakia he returned to his original name. He later played for Pro Patria and Bordeaux.

Info about hungarians playing in Czechoslovakia post WWII https://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=248104

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István Turbéki (left) at Fiumicino airport


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Aran = Aleksandar Aranđelović

He is mentioned in another article about Kubala http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigat...10/05/150.html
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Szovkap, could you please take a look at this article ? There are several players from above list mentioned in connection to Hungaria team (supposedly)

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/minden_ma...opaiak-2025441
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this is what Gaborzinho wrote about Hungaria team

http://www.rsssf.com/rssbest/kubala.html

Quote:
When the communists consolidated their
power and took over the government, he (Kubala) paid some smugglers to take him to
Italy. There he and some other players formed a team called Hungaria and
played exhibition matches. The team was comprised of Hungarians who were
living in the areas that were reunited with pre-war countries, Transylvania,
Carpatho-Ukraine, Southern Slovakia, Vojvodina, etc. They beat Real Madrid
4-2 in Madrid, beat the Spanish national team that was preparing for the
1950 WC, and Espanyol.
That was the best match Kuksi played, and observers
from Barcelona were in the stands. So they offered him a contract, which he
signed on June 15, 1950.

looks like old man confused the results, team Hungaria lost all three matches.

Edit 1: Hungaria played two games vs Espanyol, one loss one win.
Edit 2: Hungaria played vs Spain twice, 1 win and 1 loss.

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FIFA.com article on Kubala/Hungaria
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/...631/index.html

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Kubala’s next move was to co-form a team for eastern European refugees along with his father-in-law, Ferdinand Daucik. Hungaria, as they were called, embarked on a tour during which an early stop saw them lose 4-2 to Real Madrid in the Spanish capital. Kubala nevertheless wowed Real president Santiago Bernebeu, who immediately offered him a lucrative contract. Kubala told Bernabeu he had two more matches to play in Spain, but that he would then join Los Merengues on one condition: that they appointed Daucík as coach.

‘Who was this club-less Hungarian to make such a demand to one of the biggest clubs in the world?’, was Bernabeu’s initial though. ‘How could Real pass up the opportunity to sign such an extraordinary player?’ was his overriding one. Bernabeu therefore told Kubala to return after the two matches and that they would sort something out regarding Daucík. The pair shook hands.

In one of those subsequent games, though, Kubala’s terrorising of opponents was witnessed by Pepe Samitier, the legendary former Barça striker who was now scouting for the club. It was he who deceived an inebriated Kubala into thinking that train was headed for Madrid in June 1950. Kubala had sobered up by the time Barcelona flashed a similarly lucrative contract in front of him, but it came with a sweetener: that Daucik was being installed into their hot-seat.
even they have a mistake there, Daucik wanst Kubala´s father in law, but brother in law.
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Szovkap, could you please take a look at this article ? There are several players from above list mentioned in connection to Hungaria team (supposedly)

http://www.nemzetisport.hu/minden_ma...opaiak-2025441
interesting article about european players in south america.

starts with Ferenc Sas who is in my list and who was a star at Boca Juniors.

then mentions the Hungría FBC team of which a couple of players signed for teams in Columbia. Gábor Rákoczi went to Medellin, Mihály Uram , Béla Majtényi, László Szőke, Imre Dankó and Ferenc Nyers II went to Atlético Junior Barranquillába, another group of that team (György Marik , László Füzesi, József Samu , Sándor Török ) were brought to Deportivo Samarios by Gyula Zsengellér who was player-coach there from 1951-1953. Kocsis Imre played for Santa Fé and Medellin. that was the time when Columbia league was considered ElDorado of football, they payed more than in England for example, so even english players and even Di Stefano was playing there.

then mentions other hungarian players in Brazil in the 1930-1940s.
José Lengyel and Sándor Kontár at FC Sao Paulo, Zoltán Halmos at Germánia, László Pákozdi at Botafogo and later in Chile at Universidad Católica, János Schwanner at Flamengo and later in Chile at Colo-Colo.

in Venezuela András Adorján, László Magyar and Sándor Török at Danubio Caracas, in Uruguay Imre Kellner and Károly Mersva at Montevideo FC and Jenö Steiner at Wanderers,
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checked some of those names in wiki,

György Marik who was in Columbia with Zsengellér later signed to Leon in Mexico and won mexican championship with them. then coached a couple of mexican teams, (Atlante, Cruz Azul, Laguna, Pumas, Toluca), interestingly it is only mentioned in german wiki, nothing on hungarian one. it seems he is still alive but they seem not be sure. he would be 88 years now.

Szöke, also still alive, was only 1 year in Columbia, had quite succesful career in Italy later.

Nyers II (I guess István little brother?), also still alive, also only 1 year in Columbia, then a good spell at St Etienne.
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Thank you Sanyi, much appreciated
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some of the names on list atop of this page are taken from spanish newspapers (ABC) I was able to find and are probably wrong.

János Zsengellér is probably Gyula Zsengeller, this ABC article mentions János Zsengeller who is 34 (treinta y cuatro anos, delantero centro) - Gyula Zsengeller (b. 27 December 1915) was 34 at the time of this trip (June 1950).

No idea who Otto or Lickers/Lisker/Liakert were. In one article they mentioned them linked with Granada, but I couldnt find them on list of Hungarians who played in Spain.
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Frantisek (Ferenc) Hinduliak was Slovan´s left back in late 40s, b. in 1922 in Muranska Lehota. He took part on famous Mexico trip of Slovan. No idea what happened to him after the Hungaria FcB Roma adventure,

Found his name on list of followed persons by secret police (STB), dated back to 1955. Which indicates he probably returned to Czechoslovakia from whatever reasons and retired.

Edit 1: also found Ferdinand Daucik´s name entered in the list in 1955, when he was coaching abroad (Spain). Which means that adding someone on their list doesant mean that the followed person returned. Could as well stayed abroad.

Edit2: spoke to Mr.Gurtler (b.1923), Hinduliak´s team-mate from Slovan who said that F.Hinduliak died in US. Found one Frank Hinduliak (June 16, 1922 - Janury 9th, 1989) who passed away in Hinsdale, Du Page County, IL (Illinois).

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György Marik who was in Columbia with Zsengellér later signed to Leon in Mexico and won mexican championship with them. then coached a couple of mexican teams, (Atlante, Cruz Azul, Laguna, Pumas, Toluca), interestingly it is only mentioned in german wiki, nothing on hungarian one. it seems he is still alive but they seem not be sure. should be 88 years now.
82 yo acc.this site he was born in 1930, April 4th.



German wiki entry say he was born in 1924, April 4th. Shame wiki is focusing just on his coaching career.

Edit: ABC article said Marik was 26 yo. at the time of spanish trip (1950) so the german wiki is correct. Should be 88 now.

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Acc.this article, Marik already passed away

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Jorge Marik ya fallecido
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Nyers II (I guess István little brother?), also still alive, also only 1 year in Columbia, then a good spell at St Etienne.
yes thats István´s brother.
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found article from October 5th, 1975 about Ferenc Szusza, while coaching Betis on trip to Zaragoza, met his co-patriots Bela Sarosi and José Samu

Josef Samu (italian wiki) can be another potential Hungaria FcB Roma player imo. This article say he was of romanian origin.



Acc.italian wiki after retirement, he made fortune in steel industry.

Btw acc.italian wiki, Samu played one season only for Zaragoza (52/53) but he also played there next season (53/54) in Segunda Division, playing 20 games and scoring 5 goals. Link. Also found this ABC article from October 1954 saying that despite Samu has 1 year left of his contract with Zaragoza, he was linked with a move to Nottingham Forest. In April 1967, he became Zaragoza´s vice-president. He approached Kubala to be become new Zaragoza coach, which didnt happen. Resigned from his position in April 1968.

Died in Zaragoza on October 17th, 2008 at age of 87. Link

His entry on RealZaragozapedia saying he was also coaching various local teams like Ejea.
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Otto - his full name is Andrei Otto. Perhaps romanian, as hungarian version of Andrew is András.

He was mentioned in this article in connection to Novara Calcio. He should join Novara together with Majtenyi Bela.
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11th Nov.1950, Corriere dello Sport article

Nice article about trip of Hungaria to Colombia.



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